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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Jun 14, 2010 23:25:07 GMT -6
Ouspensky discusses on page eight of "The Fourth Way" the four centers: intellectual, emotional, moving, and instinctive. Do you think that there is a connection between his theories on the different centers and the pseudo-scientific theory of biorhythms? I know that when biorhythms are analyzed, the instinctive center is overlooked. However, the other three are present.
"The theory of biorhythms claims that one's life is affected by rhythmic biological cycles, and seeks to make predictions regarding these cycles and the personal ease of carrying out tasks related to the cycles."
Ouspensky states that conflicting desires from the centers will continue to happen until we come to oneness.
If we put the two ideas together, could we be able to predict scientifically through sinusoidal waveforms registering our bio-electric activity cycles when we would have our three centers aligned and be in a prime time of the cycle for focusing on “oneness?”
Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 15, 2010 10:31:57 GMT -6
Well said, Priest of R'lyeh Ego Diabolus. It's no wonder that you're racking up the good karma. Exalt!
Personally, I like to think in terms of three centers. Maybe that's more of a Gurdjieff thing. In any case, the important thing to remember is that we currently use our centers wrong. We provide the wrong kind of fuel, give each center the wrong tasks to do, and simply don't pay attention to our intellectual, emotional, and physical aspects.
A'ahjhan ot ahraev ashith... vib oola zuun rivdgian!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Jun 16, 2010 5:09:59 GMT -6
In any case, the important thing to remember is that we currently use our centers wrong. We provide the wrong kind of fuel, give each center the wrong tasks to do, and simply don't pay attention to our intellectual, emotional, and physical aspects. Can you expand on this a little more?
My interpretation of what you are saying is that we focus on accepting the wrong fuels into self, whether that be through indulging in crap TV, fast-food restaurants, or the latest romance novel. Is this what you mean, or is there more to it?
Awake!
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Jun 16, 2010 5:28:16 GMT -6
Biorhythm theory, used in this way, becomes a useful tool for self-observation as long as we also recognize that we govern it, and not the reverse. The Fourth Way suggests that our behaviors can be self-determined, and that this state would be the ideal. So, the goal in all things is to eliminate the mechanical aspect of it? In order to be "awake," we should be mindful of all choices, all actions, all influences of self? And, with all awareness, be able to self-determine how they will effect our future?
I think if that is the case, you could very easily apply the biorythmic theory to coordinate your self-observations at different levels without becoming too mechanical about relying on them in order to be successful. Thank you for recognizing that.
It would be about self-focus and observation completely, as would any other tool you might use to assist you in observing. I know that using any tool could be a risk, but what would be wrong with utilizing all tools (like meditative music, physical exertion, or Priest Beast's vibrational energy exercises) as a way to help one focus on self-observation? As long as you change it up now and again, wouldn't you want to be as successful at self-observation as you are possibly capable, even if that means you use tools to get you to that point of focus until you reach a level where you no longer need them?
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 16, 2010 12:05:53 GMT -6
Yes, the wrong fuel would include impressions such as TV, fast-food, poorly written novels, sitting in a christian church on Sunday, listening to an accounting seminar, etc. Anything that does not inspire, enlighten, or increase your power is either a neutral or negative impression. There are impressions, just like there are influences, which come from a higher source (more conscious) and those that are quite mechanical.
Self-remembering should be your first priority in Awakening. That is a technique which will always promote gains in awareness if done properly. I urge all those reading this to make the effort to remember yourself at least three times a day, trying to extend that period of mindfulness for as long as possible.
Next would be the correct taking-in of impressions. For instance, looking at a triangle and seeing its occult significance, the Law of Three, and being able to relate that trinity of forces to your everyday life.
Wrong use of centers is different and here is an example of that. Say that you have a difficult science test in a few days. You might be tempted to worry and fret over this test well before actually studying... to the point where your worry takes up more energy than going through each chapter of the textbook. In effect, you've let your emotional center do the work of your intellectual center. Rather than creating all that stressful negative emotion, the fear of impending failure, you should have invested that time and effort into preparing for the test.
We have limited amounts of energy at any given time. Use this energy the best you can so that your life could be considered a successful one from a distance.
A'ahjhan ot ahraev ashith... vib oola zuun rivdgian!
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Post by taw on Jun 16, 2010 14:25:08 GMT -6
Yes, the wrong fuel would include impressions such as TV, fast-food, poorly written novels, sitting in a christian church on Sunday, listening to an accounting seminar, etc. Anything that does not inspire, enlighten, or increase your power is either a neutral or negative impression. There are impressions, just like there are influences, which come from a higher source (more conscious) and those that are quite mechanical. I see your point, but I disagree with this. I'm at my most inspired when I have to sit through mindless staff meetings, when I used to have to go to church, or when my college roommates would watch tv shows I didn't like. I was removed from my comfort zone, so my mind would work overtime trying to filter out the junk, and instead, replace what I didn't want to hear with new and invigorating ideas that swept me away from the unpleasantries. When I'm safe at home, or too comfortable, or on my own time table, I usually find too many things to do, so my attention and focus deviated between too many different things. But when I’m forced to sit in one place, I don't have any options except for what is in front of me, so therefore I can work my magick or think of spellcraft in more efficient ways than I would on my sofa, or in a lotus position meditating. Anything that does not inspire, enlighten, or increase your power is either a neutral or negative impression. I also disagree with that. How do we know how good steak is compared to Micky Ds if we only ever eat steak? Sometimes we need to break out of molds and expose our selves to mediocrity, ignorance, and hostility to get a true perspective on what we have before us. After all, if we eat a gross hamburger at McDs, then we go back to steak, we'll appreciate the steak that much more, because we had a new basis of comparison to what we didn't have before. Magick is the same way, and that's why I scope out all belief systems, because everything has validity, it’s just a matter of finding it.
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Jun 16, 2010 19:07:38 GMT -6
Lord Satanis, thank you for taking the time to expand on your ideas. Your guidance is always appreciated.Self-remembering should be your first priority in Awakening. That is a technique which will always promote gains in awareness if done properly. I urge all those reading this to make the effort to remember yourself at least three times a day, trying to extend that period of mindfulness for as long as possible. I have been working on this for some time now. My boyfriend is the one that introduced me to the Fourth Way philosophy some time ago, and this is one of the first ideas he brought up that I found intriguing. Since I have been working through meditations for several years, this concept seemed very appropriate to apply, even without reading much about the philosophy. We have limited amounts of energy at any given time. Use this energy the best you can so that your life could be considered a successful one from a distance.
What do you mean "from a distance?" Are you speaking of other people's opinions of what you are doing, how you are living your life, and what your accomplishments are, or something else entirely?
Awake!
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Post by egodiabolus on Jun 16, 2010 19:28:50 GMT -6
Yes, the wrong fuel would include impressions such as TV, fast-food, poorly written novels, sitting in a christian church on Sunday, listening to an accounting seminar, etc. Anything that does not inspire, enlighten, or increase your power is either a neutral or negative impression. There are impressions, just like there are influences, which come from a higher source (more conscious) and those that are quite mechanical. I see your point, but I disagree with this. I'm at my most inspired when I have to sit through mindless staff meetings, when I used to have to go to church, or when my college roommates would watch tv shows I didn't like. I was removed from my comfort zone, so my mind would work overtime trying to filter out the junk, and instead, replace what I didn't want to hear with new and invigorating ideas that swept me away from the unpleasantries. When I'm safe at home, or too comfortable, or on my own time table, I usually find too many things to do, so my attention and focus deviated between too many different things. But when I’m forced to sit in one place, I don't have any options except for what is in front of me, so therefore I can work my magick or think of spellcraft in more efficient ways than I would on my sofa, or in a lotus position meditating. Anything that does not inspire, enlighten, or increase your power is either a neutral or negative impression. I also disagree with that. How do we know how good steak is compared to Micky Ds if we only ever eat steak? Sometimes we need to break out of molds and expose our selves to mediocrity, ignorance, and hostility to get a true perspective on what we have before us. After all, if we eat a gross hamburger at McDs, then we go back to steak, we'll appreciate the steak that much more, because we had a new basis of comparison to what we didn't have before. Magick is the same way, and that's why I scope out all belief systems, because everything has validity, it’s just a matter of finding it. Taw,
I agree with your assessment; what is considered "inspiring" will be personal and relative, and even the most inspiring experience loses its luster if it is indulged in repeatedly and consistently. Hell could be the perfect sunset, every moment of your existence. We all thrive in different environments, and we encourage our own growth when we vary and widen our experiences.
Observe yourself, remember yourself, and be aware. You will then find the experiences you need and also sense when a change may be required.
Awake!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 16, 2010 23:23:02 GMT -6
Disagreement often comes from misunderstanding.
What you, in particular, do with your time during a meeting, church, or prime time is irrelevant to my statement (although, I think it's excellent work on your part). Impressions can be used as food to overcome certain obstacles as we struggle to Awaken. If you turn those substandard impressions off in favor of creating your own, then you have found a way to get around the problem. However, those sorts of impressions in and of themselves are worthless according to how they resonate with our essence or soul... that part of us which is not mechanical.
Most of us don't have to seek out mediocrity, ignorance, and hostility. It's everywhere. And while such experiences can be a good learning experience, they are not what I would call fuel for reaching our higher centers.
Awake!
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Post by taw on Jun 29, 2010 13:41:49 GMT -6
Disagreement often comes from misunderstanding. I understand exactly what I say and mean, so if there is any misunderstanding, it’s not on my part. I simply disagree on the matter of point. But I will certainly concede what works for me may not work for you, but a blanket statement doesn’t encompass all as I clearly pointed out in my own personal case. What you, in particular, do with your time during a meeting, church, or prime time is irrelevant to my statement Fair enough. But we need to keep in mind “relevance” per se is only dictated in the process of encoding and decoding a message from a sender to a receiver. So while someone may think what they have to say is “relevant”, to the receiver it may not be. And vice versa. What I said isn’t irrelevant. I’m simply stating a tangent thread that stemmed from the original statement. You can certainly disagree with my perceived irrelevance, but others have had the opposite experience. Impressions can be used as food to overcome certain obstacles as we struggle to Awaken. If you turn those substandard impressions off in favor of creating your own, then you have found a way to get around the problem. However, those sorts of impressions in and of themselves are worthless according to how they resonate with our essence or soul... that part of us which is not mechanical. Ah, but your argument can be seen as flawed if someone is already awakened. I consider myself awake. I am not on some mechanical autopilot, and when I find success, that equates worth. Therefore I seek the next level of all realital enlightenments both light and dark to fill in the void of the next step. There is no such thing as peak learning or peak awakening, there is no such thing as a grand master, grand wizard, or grand poobah because there is always someone better, or always someone who knows more. Being awake means you’re not confused, but it also means one has reached; and is ready, for the Pinnacle of Absorbsion—like a sponge and water. Our eyes are open, but what then comes before us is only an endless array of plateaus we must climb to determine motivation, truth, and reality, and all those terms are only applicable when used in the most broad and sweeping strokes, for my reality is quite different than the guy who works at Subway. So while I will have a leg up on those who sleep, I will never have time to sleep again because there is always one more thing to know, one more facet of magick, religion, or cosmology to explore. We are never, ever “done.” When we “finish”, we eventually stagnate in complacency. Yes, the wrong fuel would include impressions such as TV, fast-food, poorly written novels, sitting in a christian church on Sunday, listening to an accounting seminar, etc. This comes from your own perception and standards. By no stretch of the imagination was HPL or even Anton LeVey a Poet Laureate, but you find their works important. To someone on the outside, it could be trash literature in the vein of Stephen King or Dan Brown. I already made my point about how fast-food as an analogy could be a beneficial aspect when used as a comparison factor for something better, so while it does not enlighten itself, in the greater context of the experience, it certainly does enlighten because it has brought one to place above where one was not at before. Most of us don't have to seek out mediocrity, ignorance, and hostility. It's everywhere. I agree. Anything that does not inspire, enlighten, or increase your power is either a neutral or negative impression. And while such experiences can be a good learning experience, they are not what I would call fuel for reaching our higher centers Again, you’re interjecting your own personal bias or values as fact, when all it is, is opinion. Perhaps you feel this way, but there are millions of people in the world that thrive on neutral or negative impressions. Despite their own individual motivations, politicians, soldiers, lawyers, firemen, cops, dentists, and doctors are classic examples of professions where to thrive and to reach their higher centers, they must use negative impressions as their fuel. I would also argue that exposure builds an immunity, so those who have been in the proverbial trenches have a greater resistance and a heartier countenance than those who live in the safe, sanitized world free from negative impressions. After all, no one is safe from negativity, so we can either allow it to harm us and in turn we can waste valuable time and energy brooding over it, or we can stand firm against it and let it bolster our strength and resolve by us reshaping it into a learning experience, and thus a hopefully positive outcome. But if we never experience negativity and mediocrity, then how will we ever learn to combat it when we find it in ourselves or others?
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 29, 2010 14:00:30 GMT -6
There is a lot we agree upon, taw, so I don't know why you're being so confrontational. Not that it bothers me, but I can already see that you probably won't want to reach a consensus... which was my goal.
No offense to you, but no, you are not awake. Not in the Fourth Way sense. You may observe every last detail of the illusion, the illusion of reality and the illusion of oneself; however, being aware of our limitations in this prison is only the first stage of the game.
A'ahjhan ot ahraev ashith... vib oola zuun rivdgian!
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Post by ragnafa on Jun 29, 2010 14:34:48 GMT -6
I love it bravo Master.
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Post by taw on Jul 1, 2010 16:04:51 GMT -6
There is a lot we agree upon, taw, so I don't know why you're being so confrontational. Not that it bothers me, but I can already see that you probably won't want to reach a consensus... which was my goal. I don't mean to be deliberately confrontational, but it stems from a defense mechanism that started when I used to belong to a Alexandrian and Dianic Wiccan organiztion in SoCal. Our 3DW only wanted us to reflect upon her limited interpretations of magickal workings, and only hers. No other system of belief, operation, or pursuits were allowed except for her own style. She so overzealously loathed Muslims, Jews, and Christians for their intolerance, but in her own grove, she was just as intolerant. That was the reason why I left the group, and therefore I tend to get defensive if I perceive (correctly or incorrectly) someone criticizing my system of beliefs or claiming everything is invalid except their own methods. No offense to you, but no, you are not awake. Not in the Fourth Way sense. You may observe every last detail of the illusion, the illusion of reality and the illusion of oneself; however, being aware of our limitations in this prison is only the first stage of the game. Perhaps according to your ways, but I don’t subscribe to Fourth Way Philosophy, and by default, nor do I take stock in the Right Hand, Left Hand path. These ideas have merit, and these merits can be argued for and argued against, but it still only boils down to ideas originating within one person’s initial interpretation. And that interpretation is rife with bias, flaws, and all the other misunderstandings that plague us all as humans. For instance, millions of people believe in the bible, but how can that be entirely accurate or truthful when the core text was written 50 years after Christ (the man) died? And how would we know what spin was added in by the various writers? For the Fourth Way, I studied aspects of it under a former student of Jean de Salzman, but eventually I came to the conclusion that Gurdjieff was simply doing his own thing, remote and self-contained in his own jar that only catered to his own view of the cosmos - like for example, me taking a triple hit of LSD and filming my newfound understanding of the meaning of life, and the answers to all cosmic questions. I may think I know them, and some may even agree with what I say, but on the fundemental core, my yammering isn’t going to convince anyone else no matter how cogent I decipher it if they don’t have the same initiator as I had. I won’t deny some stuff was accessible and valid, but some stuff was just metaphysical rambling in the same vein as L. Ron Hubbard. Eventually I came to see flaws in the system, and instead of wasting time on it, I explored other means to offer enlightenment. As for the Left and Right Hand Paths, this essay is a great example of why I don’t believe in the concept: intothemound.blogspot.com/2010/03/why-im-not-right-hand-path.html
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Post by egodiabolus on Jul 1, 2010 23:20:39 GMT -6
...I tend to get defensive if I perceive (correctly or incorrectly) someone criticizing my system of beliefs or claiming everything is invalid except their own methods. This is understandable. You are bringing your past experiences to the table. While it is important to reference past experiences when encountering new ones, an "Awakened" being, in our sense of the term, would have the objectivity to not let past experiences over-ride current perception. We try to perceive things as they are and use past experience to help determine our own actions moving forward.Perhaps according to your ways, but I don’t subscribe to Fourth Way Philosophy, and by default, nor do I take stock in the Right Hand, Left Hand path. But here, Taw, the Fourth Way provides a basic foundation to our philosophy and Work. We also consider ourselves of the Left Hand Path, regardless of arguments against the use of this terminology. Our effort is an effort focused on the self; therefore "Left Handed".
The problem here appears to be partially a matter of language. In many ways, by participating in the Cult of Cthulhu forum, you have entered into a foreign country. We have our customs, our methods, even a unique look at language. We can respect your ideas and experiences, and we value your input, but ultimately we do so under our terms and through the filter of our ideas. Think of yourself as being in Rome... here it would be wise to do as the Romans do. This does not mean that you should submit to our concepts and ideas, but rather understand our methods and language so that you can join the conversation and have your points taken without the sense of conflict.
No one here will ask you to embrace the Work, or even the Fourth Way. No one here will demand that you consider yourself of the Left Hand Path. Simply understand that this is what we do, and you have chosen to come to us and engage us. Unless I am mistaken, we did not seek you out. We try to maintain an open and inviting forum, but we do have our own methods and there are limits to the liberties that can be taken by those who still count themselves outside of our circle.
It makes no sense to enter another's house and expect them to capitulate to your methods, or even your sensibilities.These ideas have merit, and these merits can be argued for and argued against, but it still only boils down to ideas originating within one person’s initial interpretation. And that interpretation is rife with bias, flaws, and all the other misunderstandings that plague us all as humans. Agreed, and that statement cuts both ways. But, again, we are here in the Cult of Cthulhu Forum, not there in the Taw Forum. For instance, millions of people believe in the bible, but how can that be entirely accurate or truthful when the core text was written 50 years after Christ (the man) died? And how would we know what spin was added in by the various writers? I absolutely agree, but then again, you would never find me in one of their churches trying to explain how I disagree with the nuances of their philosophy or the interpretation of the language they choose to use. If I wandered into a church mistakenly thinking it was something else, I probably wouldn't stick around. I would know that I do not "subscribe to... (the) Philosophy, nor do I take stock in the... path." Since I have no common ground with these people, and no interest in establishing a common ground, a dialogue with them would be meaningless.For the Fourth Way, I studied aspects of it under a former student of Jean de Salzman, but eventually I came to the conclusion that Gurdjieff was simply doing his own thing, remote and self-contained in his own jar that only catered to his own view of the cosmos - I believe that we are in agreement here as well. The Fourth Way is not accepted whole cloth by the Cult of Cthulhu. We have an appreciation for some of its ideas, methods, and language, but we have our own thing. This is the thing that we teach here. If this were a class on oil-painting and a new student walked into the class and wanted to discuss why oil-painting is a flawed media and how we should consider instead weaving as a medium while the rest of the students were discussing oil-painting technique, I would at the very least question the motives of the interloper (like why did she sign up for an oil-painting class?). Again, despite the student's, or even visiting professor's, preference for weaving, she would need to accept at least partially the language and methodology of the class in order to meaningfully participate in it....Eventually I came to see flaws in the system, and instead of wasting time on it, I explored other means to offer enlightenment. As for the Left and Right Hand Paths, this essay is a great example of why I don’t believe in the concept: That is great, and again, we appreciate your views. But, here, we have our own methods, and we do consider ourselves of the Left Hand Path. If, despite your difference of opinion in these regards you feel that you can still participate meaningfully in this forum, and if you can respect our choosing to focus on our Work, consider ourselves of the Left Hand Path, and will view your input through that filter, then I look forward to many meaningful conversations with you. Your 3WD had strict parameters regarding the discussion of belief and magic. We are probably not nearly as strict, but this is not a free-for-all.
We have our own methods, and our own language. You may consider yourself "awakened", and I am confident that you have had both considerable and eye-opening experiences. Here, though, "Awakened" means having an objective presence of mind that sees through the filters of subjective perception, such as the events of the past. By our standards, you have not "awakened", though you may have moments of lucidity far more frequently than others. This is not a criticism, I am also not "awakened", though I strive for awareness and lucidity as often as possible.
If our methods are too dogmatic, our perspectives too limited, or you feel under-valued, then I hope you find what you are looking for elsewhere. I am looking forward to you sticking around; you no doubt have experiences that, if you are willing to start as a "noob" and demonstrate them to us, will prove enlightening and beneficial to everyone here.
Awake!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 2, 2010 12:46:54 GMT -6
Well said, R'lyehian Priest Diabolus.
Again, I find myself quoting from The Work book I'm currently reading, Creating a Soul by Girard Haven. See my next forum post in the 4th way section for a proposal on a chapter by chapter "classroom" study of this text.
"Moreover, because verification involves setting aside one's own ideas to adopt the ideas or attitudes one is verifying, it runs counter to the illusion of self-importance and so is relatively free of false personality. Instead, it is a manifestation of true personality, embodying the understanding that one cannot test Influence C, set conditions for them, or make demands of them. One cannot even 'prove' their existence: one must accept them and, in so doing, verify their presence."
Perhaps it would help if I phrased it like this... Influence C provides clues, some more obvious than others, that our world is only a hyper-realistic illusion with no more sway over us, once we've Awakened, than a convincing hologram or CGI dinosaur. If something humdrum, ordinary, or downright tedious clues you in on the realization that this world doesn't exist, not in the way we're used to perceiving it, then that is Influence C for you.
However, keep in mind that for about 90% of people, Influence C comes in the form of conscious art, literature, philosophy, beauty, and self-sacrifice.
Awake,
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 12, 2010 17:17:18 GMT -6
Considering your biased expectations? I don't think so. This looks like a no-win situation for us, my lady.
In fact, I don't think there's a thing any of us could post that would satisfy your requirements. You see what you want to see. If you wish to view us as Darrick's fraudulent live action roleplaying failure without any tangible ideas half assedly worshiping some stupid squid monster, then that is how we will always appear to you.
Fortunately, we're at a stage where none of us have to prove ourselves to anybody. Our results speak for themselves! Change your attitude and perhaps I'll feel like accepting your (as yet nonconstructive) criticism or even debating your drivel. Until then, you'll get nothing out of me. As if you were trying to squeeze blood out of steel. You might just manage it; however, the blood shall be yours.
Awake!
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jul 12, 2010 19:50:48 GMT -6
Lord Satanis,
Purely for clarity purposes on my part, what would you consider the proper way to Self-remember?
What I do now is take into consideration my place with in the Universe, I pay attention to my involuntary movements; such as breathing, blinking etc. I pay attention to what I am doing at the time, like right now I am typing and I observe this; how the keys feel as they hit my fingers my movements of my hands. I place myself in the moment, in the present and try and clear my mind as I focus on observing myself. Is there anything else I should be doing? Any other tips or methods you have that could benefit me?
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 13, 2010 14:45:09 GMT -6
As soon as you've gotten to that state of self-remembering, then you'll be able to use it. Because using it is the most important thing. Being present in this moment is valuable, but not as valuable as actualizing your potential. Now, that might sound like a bunch of high minded nonsense, but what I mean is using your conscious state to work your will... whatever that might be.
Seeing yourself, observing what you are, when, why, how, who, and everything else... then being able to act!
Sometimes you can go back from your results and see what worked best. Look to what gave you the most certainty that you were Awake. Also, don't be afraid to try new approaches. Have you tried fasting or not talking for an extended period of time? What about a specific tattoo or tying a green string around a finger or shave off an eyebrow. All those things could be used in your struggle to wake up from the sleep of life.
By His loathsome tentacles,
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jul 13, 2010 18:48:11 GMT -6
As soon as you've gotten to that state of self-remembering, then you'll be able to use it. Because using it is the most important thing. Being present in this moment is valuable, but not as valuable as actualizing your potential. Now, that might sound like a bunch of high minded nonsense, but what I mean is using your conscious state to work your will... whatever that might be.
Seeing yourself, observing what you are, when, why, how, who, and everything else... then being able to act!
Sometimes you can go back from your results and see what worked best. Look to what gave you the most certainty that you were Awake. Also, don't be afraid to try new approaches. Have you tried fasting or not talking for an extended period of time? What about a specific tattoo or tying a green string around a finger or shave off an eyebrow. All those things could be used in your struggle to wake up from the sleep of life.
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
Thanks for taking the time to explain this to me Lord Satanis. The methods I am using aren't necessarily incorrect? Are they? Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 13, 2010 21:15:56 GMT -6
Sounds to me like you're on the right track, but verify results for yourself. It may not be apparent now, but give it a couple months and your efforts should bear fruit.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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