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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 20, 2009 10:16:14 GMT -6
well fuck...
The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle was recommended to me recently, so i started reading it a couple days ago. it's everything i've been working on minus the Lovecraft stuff. basically, The Power of Now is the 4th way for dummies. by that, i mean simplified for a wider audience.
Tolle did it earlier, better, and is reaping all the rewards. sucks for me, but oh well. that's life. the good news, however, is that the Work is now more accessible than ever. if anyone wants to understand Fourth Way stuff, it's an easier read and will probably get you there in half the time.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Thoth Respa on Oct 20, 2009 14:27:16 GMT -6
Meh, i felt the same way when I started my yatukih sorcery order, then checked out The Order of Phosphorus. But you know, I joined the order of phosphorus, and am still with my own order Temple of Daeva, the hard thing is getting my members to actually come to the sites I have made. They are all over here in WV. Just learn what you can right?
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Post by Narlool L'Pah on Oct 21, 2009 6:13:28 GMT -6
if anyone wants to understand Fourth Way stuff, it's an easier read and will probably get you there in half the time. Thanks Venger, I will check it out. It was one of those books I was scared off of, because it looked like so many other New Age fads.
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Post by X'Drekth Nuszeth Ritee on Oct 28, 2009 11:01:06 GMT -6
Thanks for the information Venger.
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Sept 30, 2010 15:41:03 GMT -6
well fuck...
The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle was recommended to me recently, so i started reading it a couple days ago. it's everything i've been working on minus the Lovecraft stuff. basically, The Power of Now is the 4th way for dummies. by that, i mean simplified for a wider audience.
Tolle did it earlier, better, and is reaping all the rewards. sucks for me, but oh well. that's life. the good news, however, is that the Work is now more accessible than ever. if anyone wants to understand Fourth Way stuff, it's an easier read and will probably get you there in half the time.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest Master Satanis, thanks for the info on the power of now. I just ordered the book, seems to be a good starting point. Also i have the fourth way ordered. Can't wait to start reading them. I'm not commenting on the fourth way till i get into the books. I'm very excited about what these books should do for me. Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Oct 1, 2010 18:55:29 GMT -6
Tolle's newer book, A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life's Purpose, is even better than the Power of Now.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 2, 2010 8:41:40 GMT -6
Tolle's newer book, A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life's Purpose, is even better than the Power of Now. Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu In what way?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Oct 3, 2010 11:30:44 GMT -6
In what way?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
In A New Earth, Tolle takes the relationship you have with "now" and focuses it more on the effects it can have on conscious awakening. He discusses the effects this can have on us as society, especially when compassion ends up replacing conflict as the major motivator for humanity's evolution. The other thing that puts this book above The Power of Now, in my opinion, is his ideas on how limiting our egos can be on awakening. The associations we sometimes make with different influences can be absorbed and applied incorrectly making an inferior assessment something we incorporate as fact rather than just something that is and passes. Just because he leaves his dirty socks on the floor doesn't mean he doesn't love you... Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 6, 2010 7:21:11 GMT -6
I'm half way through reading The Power of Now and what an amazing book. To understand that people live exclusively through memory and anticipation, which dilutes the now. Past gives you an identity and the future holds the promise of salvation. Both are illusions, thats pretty amazing.
One of the most profound things I've read so far is knowing this, that nothing ever happened in the past, it happened in the now. Also nothing will ever happen in the future, it will happen in the now. Thats is so so true. I can't wait to finish the book, but taking my time, to absorb it all.
These thoughts i wanted to post, maybe help someone who hasn't been introduced to the Fourth Way yet. As I'm in the beginning stages but I grasp what is being taught.
Awake!
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 8, 2010 7:41:18 GMT -6
Presence is being becoming conscience of itself. I love that sentence. So powerful in its simplicity. Another is, If there were no illusion, there would be no enlightenment or awaking.
We have the world, what we see is an illusion but we must have that so we can be awakened. We need the push/pull to have awaking, among other things. Just as Master Satanis has stated!
Awake!
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 8, 2010 11:25:46 GMT -6
In what way?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
In A New Earth, Tolle takes the relationship you have with "now" and focuses it more on the effects it can have on conscious awakening. He discusses the effects this can have on us as society, especially when compassion ends up replacing conflict as the major motivator for humanity's evolution. The other thing that puts this book above The Power of Now, in my opinion, is his ideas on how limiting our egos can be on awakening. The associations we sometimes make with different influences can be absorbed and applied incorrectly making an inferior assessment something we incorporate as fact rather than just something that is and passes. Just because he leaves his dirty socks on the floor doesn't mean he doesn't love you... Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu Sounds like a good follow up to The Power of Now, which I'm almost done with. Congratulations on becoming a member of Wizard of the Terrible Darkness, your essay was unbelievable and should be read by every member. Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Oct 8, 2010 17:09:34 GMT -6
Sounds like a good follow up to The Power of Now, which I'm almost done with. I recommend it. The Power of Now was a key player when I first started realizing that there was more to life than the mundane existence that I was living at the time. I recently read A New Earth, and it was a great reminder and expansion on the first book. Congratulations on becoming a member of Wizard of the Terrible Darkness, your essay was unbelievable and should be read by every member. Thank you.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 9, 2010 9:54:17 GMT -6
The question that arises now is this: In the Power of Now the question of loving one self and having a relationship with one self, What happens when you do, when you have a relationship with yourself , you have split yourself into two: I and Myself, subject and object.
It states that mind - created duality is the root cause of all unnecessary complexity, of all problems and conflict in your life.
The split caused by self-reflective consciousness is healed, its cursed removed. Now isn't self-reflective consciousness the same as self- remembering?
Awake!
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by ieuan on Oct 10, 2010 13:47:49 GMT -6
The question that arises now is this: In the Power of Now the question of loving one self and having a relationship with one self, What happens when you do, when you have a relationship with yourself , you have split yourself into two: I and Myself, subject and object. It states that mind - created duality is the root cause of all unnecessary complexity, of all problems and conflict in your life. The split caused by self-reflective consciousness is healed, its cursed removed. Now isn't self-reflective consciousness the same as self- remembering? Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn! I just started reading this book, at first I was suspicious, something just didn't ring, like it did with me in the book 'The Fourth Way'. I also perceived the same as too subject and object, but with me on a more simplified thinking process, it was more of am I creating a new 'I', so to speak ? I have all of these 'I's in different centers, was he saying that this is the real you, when you step out side of your brain and observe what your mind is doing? Then again that is the fourth way isn't it? Maybe I just got use to Ouspensky's way of saying things. Have an aways to go on reading, but the more I read the better I like what he is saying. When the Stars are Right!
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 11, 2010 14:44:10 GMT -6
The question that arises now is this: In the Power of Now the question of loving one self and having a relationship with one self, What happens when you do, when you have a relationship with yourself , you have split yourself into two: I and Myself, subject and object. It states that mind - created duality is the root cause of all unnecessary complexity, of all problems and conflict in your life. The split caused by self-reflective consciousness is healed, its cursed removed. Now isn't self-reflective consciousness the same as self- remembering? Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn! I just started reading this book, at first I was suspicious, something just didn't ring, like it did with me in the book 'The Fourth Way'. I also perceived the same as too subject and object, but with me on a more simplified thinking process, it was more of am I creating a new 'I', so to speak ? I have all of these 'I's in different centers, was he saying that this is the real you, when you step out side of your brain and observe what your mind is doing? Then again that is the fourth way isn't it? Maybe I just got use to Ouspensky's way of saying things. Have an aways to go on reading, but the more I read the better I like what he is saying. When the Stars are Right! I understand what you're saying, and I'll run into a similar problem I'm sure. I started with The Power of Now, so I'm sure when i get the Fourth Way I won't be used to alot of Ouspensky's wordings. Seems they word things alittle different. I'll post what I find out. The Fourth Way should be here by the end of this week. Finished the Power of Now and loved it, very easy to understand and to apply. Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by ragnafa on Oct 13, 2010 22:56:48 GMT -6
I will have to get reading on it, Yes I do agree that a lot of the old Fourth way books are hard to decipher, So I'm looking to forward to this read.
Awake......
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Post by lucofthelight on Oct 14, 2010 5:19:08 GMT -6
I will have to get reading on it, Yes I do agree that a lot of the old Fourth way books are hard to decipher, So I'm looking to forward to this read. Awake...... It's worth the read, perhaps even deceptive in it's simplicity yet contains powerful concepts.The Fourth Way is a lot harder to get through, although when one begins to join the dots and connects the different aspects of the System together through reflection a whole new way of seeing the world opens up..... priceless.
The only trick is to keep practicing the Work long enough so that these moments of clarity and insight become regular occurrences. Then you are on your way to becoming man number 5.
By his Loathsome Tentacles!
K'ara Kaiul Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 14, 2010 7:32:57 GMT -6
I will have to get reading on it, Yes I do agree that a lot of the old Fourth way books are hard to decipher, So I'm looking to forward to this read. Awake...... It's worth the read, perhaps even deceptive in it's simplicity yet contains powerful concepts.The Fourth Way is a lot harder to get through, although when one begins to join the dots and connects the different aspects of the System together through reflection a whole new way of seeing the world opens up..... priceless.
The only trick is to keep practicing the Work long enough so that these moments of clarity and insight become regular occurrences. Then you are on your way to becoming man number 5.
By his Loathsome Tentacles!
K'ara Kaiul Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
K'ara Kaiul, very well put. I do agree that it can be deceptive in its simplicity, but yes its very powerful. I would read and ponder what i just read, and even tho it was simply stated its impact was incredible. I finished the Power of Now a few days ago, and I wait for the Fourth Way to arrive any day now. I'm gald I was shown the way! Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Oct 14, 2010 20:31:48 GMT -6
It's worth the read, perhaps even deceptive in it's simplicity yet contains powerful concepts.The Fourth Way is a lot harder to get through, although when one begins to join the dots and connects the different aspects of the System together through reflection a whole new way of seeing the world opens up..... priceless. I would agree with you on this. Many sleepers have read this book, and it is because of its simplistic theme that they remain asleep. They read the book, say to themselves, "Ok, I'm going to live for the Now," put the book down, and realize they really have no understanding of how to do so. Since it's too hard for them to really apply, they consider themselves "better" for reading it, and then go back to the same daily life they had before.
I know. I was one of them.
The Fourth Way is a whole different animal with some of the same underlying currents. It provides a systematic approach to figuring out exactly how to live in the Now. But in the end, I think that it really is the simplistic idea of Now that should be our focus. Over-simplifying Now loses its significance; over-complicating it loses the point.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 15, 2010 4:51:54 GMT -6
It's worth the read, perhaps even deceptive in it's simplicity yet contains powerful concepts.The Fourth Way is a lot harder to get through, although when one begins to join the dots and connects the different aspects of the System together through reflection a whole new way of seeing the world opens up..... priceless. I would agree with you on this. Many sleepers have read this book, and it is because of its simplistic theme that they remain asleep. They read the book, say to themselves, "Ok, I'm going to live for the Now," put the book down, and realize they really have no understanding of how to do so. Since it's too hard for them to really apply, they consider themselves "better" for reading it, and then go back to the same daily life they had before.
I know. I was one of them.
The Fourth Way is a whole different animal with some of the same underlying currents. It provides a systematic approach to figuring out exactly how to live in the Now. But in the end, I think that it really is the simplistic idea of Now that should be our focus. Over-simplifying Now loses its significance; over-complicating it loses the point.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
I have to agree to a point with you, and maybe I'm different but: Over-simplifying Now loses its significance, only if you let it . I have found when I was reading some of Crowley's work that alot was over -simplified and would(and often) go over the heads of people. I always would ponder the simple wordings of Crowley and after pondering on what i read, then it would get complicated in its simplicity. I feel The Power of Now is the same way, it's complicated in its simplicity, and I feel it holds alot more power that way. I do agree when something is complicated it does lose the point, and/or its essence. I do agree and can see sleepers after reading it thinking that they have awakened. I didn't let it get easy in its simplicity, but rather let it bloom into difficulty out of its simplicity. I haven't receive in my mail my copy of the Fourth Way as of yet, so this is only one side of the story. Once I dig into the Fourth Way I'll post my findings. Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by ieuan on Nov 4, 2010 11:22:10 GMT -6
On page 91, the Power of Now quotes: You are here to enable the divine purpose of the universe to unfold. This is how important you are.
Is this a contradiction to the fourth way system as stated by Ouspensky's In the fourth way? Everything that lives serves the purposes of the earth.
Is not the divine purpose of the universe to keep us asleep, for continuing a recurrence to occur, thereby feeding its nature. This is one example where I found contradictions between the fourth way and the power of now. I get the feeling that Tolle is saying our purpose is, so God the source can experience itself, but the fourth way saids other wise. That man does not know himself. Our purpose has nothing to do with God per se, but just the feeding of a irrelevant continues cycle that was created by laws far far removed from the Source or God.
I am almost finished with the reading of this book, the only connections I can make with the fourth way system is only in his reference to the power on now, being present, in the moment.
Awake
Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 4, 2010 13:40:58 GMT -6
On page 91, the Power of Now quotes: You are here to enable the divine purpose of the universe to unfold. This is how important you are.Is this a contradiction to the fourth way system as stated by Ouspensky's In the fourth way? Everything that lives serves the purposes of the earth. Is not the divine purpose of the universe to keep us asleep, for continuing a recurrence to occur, thereby feeding its nature. This is one example where I found contradictions between the fourth way and the power of now. I get the feeling that Tolle is saying our purpose is, so God the source can experience itself, but the fourth way saids other wise. That man does not know himself. Our purpose has nothing to do with God per se, but just the feeding of a irrelevant continues cycle that was created by laws far far removed from the Source or God. I am almost finished with the reading of this book, the only connections I can make with the fourth way system is only in his reference to the power on now, being present, in the moment. Awake Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu A great observation.
I assume that Tolle and similar self-help authors combine Universe A and Universe B together. While the will of this universe is to keep us enslaved, the will of Universe B is to see humanity unfold its divine purpose.
The Power of Now, just like The Secret, barely describes the arduous, life long process of struggling to be more conscious than we currently are. If the entire book detailed all the work required, their sales would plummet. That's why The Fourth Way is a better resource for making changes to our machine. And why Ouspensky and Gurdjieff will never make the bestseller list.
Any other observations?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by xiaogui17 on Nov 4, 2010 13:54:01 GMT -6
Like chicken nuggets to chicken breast, both work with the same material but one is clearly more substantial.
Awake!
Vanessa Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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