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Post by Narlool L'Pah on Feb 1, 2009 10:25:52 GMT -6
I think for learning and growth, a certain amount of humility and selflessness is required.
This is simply to transcend our current state, to get over our preconceived notions.
People don't go mad by looking into the void....because it conforms what they already know....it's because they receive knowledge of things they did not know up till then.
There are a few forums I'm on, Spiritual in nature....where there is so many minds closed by egotism. People are intelligent or well read...but then their mind is shut like a bear trap.
What's worse is when average people take a few spiritual philosophies and use that to halt their growth. I'm my own God, I manifest my universe, my subjective reality is all that exists... etc etc etc... is then used for them to sit there acting like a master of the universe.
It seems the normal human path is to stay within a safe mental area and only listen to information that reinforces what they already believe.
What are your thoughts on this?
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Post by Madguten on Feb 1, 2009 12:11:59 GMT -6
I agree, i am a little short on time right now, but i will post a better response here, i have a little i would like to say about this.
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 1, 2009 12:45:30 GMT -6
you are quite right, Drenki.
the ego can easily halt development. why would anyone need to struggle or work or apply themselves if they already believed they were perfect?
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Feb 1, 2009 17:01:14 GMT -6
That is why I will never call myself a Magus.. there IS no true mastery, as there is always something to learn about ANY subject or practice. When you think you learned all that you can, it is an illusion that many fall into. There is no end.. only stagnation..
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Post by Madguten on Feb 1, 2009 17:24:22 GMT -6
Yes, there must be balance between ego and humility in order to have the full(est possible) spectrum. It is very easy for the human being, to drift away deep into the "safe zones" as you called them. In there, we are sheltered from many things, also much knowledge.
It can be hard to remember sometimes, but i fully agree that it serves the individual best to question its own beliefs, or to weight them, sort of speak.
If we do not, we can loose sight of things so quick it would seem that we were completely blind.
We are often made so that we can not see our own flaws, it is a mammal trade, but we can keep an eye on the phenomena.
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Post by eldritchentity0 on Apr 30, 2010 12:07:06 GMT -6
oh well I never really thought of selflessness that way but hell that does make a lot of sense and sorry I been absence for a while been dealing with a lot of crap going on in PA.However very well put.
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Post by aristidemtorchiam on Jun 9, 2010 19:44:32 GMT -6
I agree in selflessness lies the satanic sin of solipsism but in order to evolve and reach your full potential you must first be an egoist.I think balance between ego and humility is the best answer.
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Post by 10kdays on Jun 10, 2010 13:05:46 GMT -6
Well, if in selflessness you improve your own image of yourself, then isn't that an ego boost of sorts?
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jun 10, 2010 18:36:04 GMT -6
It can be argued that there is no completely selfless act, That even by helping others we gain satisfaction from it thus reinforcing our ego. I value the importance of both ego and selfless acts and seek to maintain a balance between them.
I am a compassionate person, it's part of my nature and I do enjoy helping others, I gain satisfaction from it and a lot more friends. It's balanced though between helping others because I enjoy it and helping others because it's selfless. Though how selfless it really is still up to debate...
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Jun 10, 2010 20:45:04 GMT -6
It seems the normal human path is to stay within a safe mental area and only listen to information that reinforces what they already believe. What are your thoughts on this? Most people aren't really interested in evolution of the mind, the body, the species, or the soul. They may think they are, or even attend events to make others think they are. However, true change requires an open mind and a willingness to do things that you may not think will work. More beyond that, it requires persistence and work. Most of our society is so stuck on what they are being spoon-fed through mass media and reality television, they don't even realize they've forgotten to think for themselves.
Selflessness is nearly impossible for the truly enlightened being, let alone for the common cattle standing in line at Wal-Mart.
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Post by egodiabolus on Jun 12, 2010 7:33:55 GMT -6
This discussion is in line with the thread on subjective vs. objective reality. I agree that there is no truly self-less act, there is always some aspect of self being served. The humility required for growth is the recognition that your evolution is incomplete. One needs to be self-focused, always striving for the perfection of self in whatever manner they see fit. This is a beneficial attitude of self-centered obsession. Ego is when we retain our self-centered focus, but lose the understanding that we are not fully evolved. Seeking your objective self is a self-centered task that requires the humility of recognizing their is always more you can do, always more you can understand. It is the subjective self that suggests we have reached far enough, and no more needs to be done.
Awake!
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Jun 12, 2010 7:50:53 GMT -6
This discussion is in line with the thread on subjective vs. objective reality. I agree that there is no truly self-less act, there is always some aspect of self being served. The humility required for growth is the recognition that your evolution is incomplete. One needs to be self-focused, always striving for the perfection of self in whatever manner they see fit. This is a beneficial attitude of self-centered obsession. Ego is when we retain our self-centered focus, but lose the understanding that we are not fully evolved. Seeking your objective self is a self-centered task that requires the humility of recognizing their is always more you can do, always more you can understand. It is the subjective self that suggests we have reached far enough, and no more needs to be done.
Awake!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu I wonder...
If the goal is to be self-focused and striving for perfection, what is the benefit of reaching back and helping others awake? This is somewhat of an act of kindness, though not necessarily one of selflessness.
I understand the benefit could be to remind yourself where you've come from and help to re-evaluate where you are now, but is that the only benefit?
Awake!
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jun 13, 2010 15:33:54 GMT -6
This discussion is in line with the thread on subjective vs. objective reality. I agree that there is no truly self-less act, there is always some aspect of self being served. The humility required for growth is the recognition that your evolution is incomplete. One needs to be self-focused, always striving for the perfection of self in whatever manner they see fit. This is a beneficial attitude of self-centered obsession. Ego is when we retain our self-centered focus, but lose the understanding that we are not fully evolved. Seeking your objective self is a self-centered task that requires the humility of recognizing their is always more you can do, always more you can understand. It is the subjective self that suggests we have reached far enough, and no more needs to be done.
Awake!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu So very very true!
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