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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Sept 29, 2008 13:29:31 GMT -6
wow... thank you for bringing us together and forming the CoC, VS... thank you.
now im beginning to see the reason and the logic behind what i thought was an almost annoyingly cryptic response to my "what do i do now that im an official member of the family?" query...
you said something to the effect of "just keep reading, keep observing, keep learning".
at the time i was like "haha ok.... what?".
but now that ive begun reading The Fourth Way i know why you said that, and im seeing the pieces fall together and begin to fit. ive begun by realizing im still asleep. the beginning of the path is that im already on the path, but i cant move forward on this path without lots of observation and continued research and more knowledge, correct? so the first leg of this journey is the hardest, because its a lot like treading water, running in place... there is motion, there is activity taking place, but i am not at this stage ready for actual forward movement, yes?
and i need my Cult. one cant escape without the help of the escaped. thats why we're all here. thats the beauty of this. im so proud to be here. im honored. we are the elite. together we can do anything. i love you all.
ill have more questions/observations over the coming days or weeks or months, but until then am i on the right track, HP? is my interpretation of the material up to scratch??
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 29, 2008 20:54:52 GMT -6
yes, you're on the right track.
it takes a lot of work to reach those new plateaus, but it is worth it. what you were saying about the void is correct. try keeping your mind still and empty, remember yourself and everything shall come from that point.
VS
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Sept 29, 2008 21:49:04 GMT -6
yes i can see it does lol even says so in the book. the way is long and hard. how long did it take you? are you even done yet?
im just trying to take a few steps back from myself periodically and observe what im doing. moving, being instinctive, thinking, etc... just taking note of everything i do and why im doing it. is this what Ouspensky meant about observation in the beginning?
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 29, 2008 23:13:15 GMT -6
yes.
haha, no. i'm not even close. well, maybe close, but i've still got a ways to go.
another difference between our work and work attempted at a monastery (for instance) is that we struggle to Awaken in the real world. we do not give up our old lives while learning this new one. if we did nothing but observe and remember ourselves all day, every day, we would get very far, very quickly. but it would be as if we were building a bridge out of paper. when this bridge is seen from afar or held delicately, it looks fine. however, when we returned to the real world with our teachings, they would soon collapse under the rigors of life.
to Awaken amongst the people, the problems, and just the general suffering... that's when you know the work is in you and it's well constructed. a bridge that is slowly made out of wood is better, and one that is made of metal is better still. the metal bridge is the most painstaking of all to construct because it must be sturdy enough to carry us to His emerald kingdom!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Madguten on Sept 30, 2008 3:00:04 GMT -6
Great words, i agree with a passion. Also it takes a little skill to balance the elements. There are many places were i have gotten "better everyday tools" from this path. Universal tools even.
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Sept 30, 2008 13:33:57 GMT -6
can you expound a bit on that, Madguten???
what do you by "balancing the elements"?
and "better everyday tools... UNIVERSAL tools"?
is this just something my book hasnt covered yet?
(sorry, i ask a LOT of questions. im that guy that has to know everything about everything lol)
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Post by Madguten on Oct 5, 2008 4:08:23 GMT -6
Sorry, i am a sort of a "bastard occultists" and i often forget to elaborate my "bastard wisdom" (or folly). In any case i am not much of a teacher. I am finding it work enough to teach myself. I must balance my growth and self observance seems to help me do this.
This might just be me, this might not be for everyone, but for me, its all about balance. As i travel my path, i must tread carefully. I have come to consider myself more of a wanderer than a seeker. In my view, the wanderer is the conscious seeker. I believe in the path of the turtle before the path of the hare. I view my growth/path as a mountain climb, or a growing tree, or the building of a temple. In any case, foundation and balance are crucial (for me).
I believe that if you are selective enough with picking out the bricks for your temple, then you will get a better temple. Self observance helps me judge the bricks before i begin building on top of them.
If i build on careless, then the weak bricks will make my temple crumble, if i climb careless, i will fall down and if my tree grows crooked then it will fall over.
We can never be perfect in our climb, but we must be observant of ourselves so that we learn from our mistakes, instead of repeating them over and over again like a broken VCR.
Thats what i see, i also believe that each person has a distinct path and so what works for me might just be jibberish for other.
Dont think you will find this in the book, hence the self acclaimed "bastard occultist/ bastard philosopher" title, but really i am giving myself too much credit, perhaps the word "bastard" alone covers me better, lol
Yeah but thats what i tell people though, I know NOTHING about EVERYTHING ;D
Really.
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