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Post by darkstar on Sept 8, 2006 12:26:57 GMT -6
Anyone has experienced with lucid dreaming? I have but i can't control when it will happen. I have found the realism of the dream improves with the development of the energy centers of the body. I would like to have more control over dreams, but it requires lots of discipline and knowledge.
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Post by scarlett156 on Sept 8, 2006 12:44:41 GMT -6
As per my reply in the other thread in this forum-- I've been working on lucid dreaming for quite awhile now. Over these last six months or so I've been practicing lucid dreaming exercises with a couple of my students. For me it's a part of my work with Liber MMM (Chaos magic). My students are not that interested in Chaos magic, but want to learn how to lucid dream. One of my students has gone from "I never remember my dreams" to having a full on lucid dream at least once a week or more. He's actually doing a bit better at it than I am. I have some informational articles about lucid dreaming. If anyone would like them, please feel free to message me. For anyone that doesn't know what we're talking about: Lucid dreaming involves maintaining a conscious state while dreaming; i.e., you KNOW that you are dreaming but you stay asleep. Goal-directed or controlled lucid dreaming takes this practice further; the magician learns to control the activity and content of his/her dreams, and to use lucid dreaming as a way to affect waking life.
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Post by Sept on Sept 9, 2006 15:07:01 GMT -6
I guess most of my dreams are lucid dreams, because I always know I am dreaming. All this does is screw with my mind because something I know isn't real is set before me in full reality. (I experience my dreams with all sences)
I go through bouts of insomnia because of it, my dreams are rarly random and have continueing themes, including an alternate version of myself I have conversations and battles with.
Also, it is very rare now, like once in a year, but when I was younger sleepwalking was very frequent, almost every night. I have woken up finding that I have given myself wounds that I suffered during a dream. (an example, I was held to a wall by thorned vines in a dream during one of the conversations with my alternate self, in the morning my arms were cut where the thorns in the dream were digging into my flesh).
I hate sleeping...
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Post by Yevathik on Sept 9, 2006 18:14:08 GMT -6
You know, using dreams to alter reality is only really a good thing when it DOESN'T involve you getting hurt.
My dreaming is hardly ever like that. I've had control of my dreams, but I am hardly ever aware it's a dream.
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Post by bellaxxluna65 on Sept 13, 2006 20:16:35 GMT -6
yes, i understand where u r coming from...i too dream , but mine are visionary....sometimes very mortifying.....mankinds future is bleak, as some of can only imagine.....i keep my visions to myself, and i too hate sleeping.....blessings to you, and may you have a beautiful dream when you next sleep
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Post by ibiss on Sept 15, 2006 14:52:13 GMT -6
I stopped desiring lucidity for a little bit simply because I would awaken feeling drained and as tired as I was before I slept.I hit the kill switch on it for now for better sleep.I may star again l8er.
I find however thinking intensly about a symbol of lucid deaming or a subject will allow it to increase the likeliness of dreaming about it.
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Post by Yevathik on Sept 15, 2006 17:34:14 GMT -6
for a good 10-11 months I could barely remember any of my dreams.
Then I read Call of Cthulhu.
Now I dream basically every day.
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Post by youma on Dec 6, 2006 20:46:36 GMT -6
I've heard of a device that detects the increase in brain activity caused by nightmares, and sends flashes of light to distract the mind from it. The advertisement went on saying that most of the time it resulted in lucid dreaming (yes, they were trying to SELL the stuff - so believe with caution)
I suppose it can be true, because I occasionnally have lucid dreams, but only when I oversleep and dawn comes to disturb me. Maybe it is linked with a poor quality sleep... In my case though lucid dreaming is never pleasant. Because when it happens, I also become aware of my body, which is paralysed and blinded by sleep, so I have to struggle to wake up as fast as possible to escape that disagreeable situation.
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Post by jameson on Dec 11, 2006 15:11:04 GMT -6
Sleep paralysis can be a pain but it can also take one to a deeper lucidity where u rebuild the dream from the ground up.Also an interesting state to evoke entities from because the brain will believe they are there and they will do things for you.
Once hit paralysis in my dream and discovered a demonic entity who spoke"You love me dont you,you owe me dont you"mockingly.While there was a large energy focus in the sacral chakra as I matterialized in a lucid world I created I met the demon (oddly my body was nothing like mine own which was kind of scary considering Im a male,it was a female body and the said entity was a male entity with a sexual disposition) Any how I woke up and a sinus infection which was severe before sleeping was totaly gone without a trace.The fact that I could feel both bodies was amazing to say the least but be careful whom u call up because if shit gets screwy in lucid world,if u are paralyzed you will not get up.
Also met angels in this state and had a lucid flying experience.
For best results sleep when u arent too tire,nap.If your out of it theres a lower possibilitiy of u lucid dreaming
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Post by gavincallaghan on Dec 17, 2006 18:51:48 GMT -6
Sometimes in my dreams, I read novels that I have written, listen to symphonies that I have composed, see paintings I have painted, none of which exist in reality, but which in my dreams are the most moving and beautiful things I have ever seen. It's amazing to think that the mind can create all this, yet be so unable to create the same things while awake!
During a lucid dream last Tuesday, for example, I was in a crowd of beautiful women, none of whom I had ever seen before, yet all of whom looked "real", as if they had a separate existence. How can the mind "create" all this?, I wondered in my dream.
Suddenly I was at a photo shoot, and I was taking photos of two of these women. It was the 1920's, and I was taking some pulp magazine photos for a crime/detective magazine. The girls were dressed in strange, rubber outfits and had gas masks on, and they were wrestling with each other, alternately kissing and then hitting each other..... For some reason, we were all in the back of a truck. The truck veered out of control as we went down a steep incline, and I woke up.
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Post by youma on Dec 18, 2006 19:28:24 GMT -6
Sometimes in my dreams, I read novels that I have written, listen to symphonies that I have composed, see paintings I have painted, none of which exist in reality, but which in my dreams are the most moving and beautiful things I have ever seen. It's amazing to think that the mind can create all this, yet be so unable to create the same things while awake! I don't know for you, but I noticed that my mind used a lot of shortcuts while including "original" art in dreams. I've never been able to actually compose music, but I often hear music in my dreams, and I tried to remember a few tunes and lyrics and put it together using midi software and a mike. But it turned out the notes, while being similar to what sounded nice in my dreams, had no harmony, only the rythm sounded right, and the lyrics had poor rimes and only a shallow meaning, and, worst, had an irregular number of syllabs and couldn't fit into any kind of song, although it didn't seem so while I was dreaming it. So I think I was dreaming enjoying nice music rather than dreaming actual music. My brain had conjured up the feeling of appreciation, but only a rough set of sensations to support it. It doesn't work the same for pictures though, I drew several of the landscapes and scenes which I dreamt of and they turn out as I imagined them first. I think the pictures' details all came from the waking mind, because my imagination is able to find the right images to match a certain concept or feeling, but can't do it with sounds. So it would show that in dreams we may fantasise about exceeding out actual creativity, but our dreaming imagination is actually limited by our waking imagination. We're not geniuses during our sleep unless we work those skills we want. That's how it works with me, but maybe in your case it would be a good idea to try and remember as many details as possible about the art you create in your dreams, and see if it can be transcripted into reality. From the women and artwork from your dreams you describe, it sounds as though you are looking for beauty. Not any beauty either, for something that you create: even the pretty women you mentionned were there as a photo subjects. The only advice I can give is: you want art? get it! There probably is some medium which you can use with skill, work on what agrees with you and when you're comfortable with it, you'll be a lot less frustratingly separated from your ideal. Of course you shouldn't believe anyone else's interpretation of you own mind's symbols if it doesn't feel right to you. Only you can know what's going on in your head.
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Post by jameson on Dec 18, 2006 21:24:14 GMT -6
The music is the greatest in dream.When the notes return to conscious memory I am truly happy.The notes and the synthesized sounds I could not find instruments for.It has what I can only call a demonic quality with the greatest harmony (By demonic it mimics the sounds produced within the mind when I have worked loosely with Bael.The quality is similar and stimulates a range of feelings of greatness and majesty)
The less the mind has to focus on the input from the body along with the conscious spam,the more energy it posesses for more seemingly important and pleasurable things such as lucid dream.
Does anyone ever get these emotions or responses that cant be classified by conscious thought?Let me clarify.Theres a vareity of emotions when awake but they pale in comparisson to that which is felt during dream.That which lies outside of the known spectrum of the conscious mind,as thus its impossible for me to describe.
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Post by m2alik on Dec 18, 2006 21:50:03 GMT -6
;D As of describing emotions in lucid Dreaming I always have a estatic feeling after performing the impossible in dreams. by that I mean that even during Dreaming I find more ways to do the impossible by Dream characters cues. For instance last night I had a Asian dream of solving problems which are impossible without magic. It was in a sense similar to a video game but with real people at least in dreaming. The best cue to know you are Dreaming is do the impossible or build upon that feeling through your dream. The dream will follow.
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Post by Yevathik on Dec 19, 2006 2:07:00 GMT -6
The music is the greatest in dream.When the notes return to conscious memory I am truly happy.The notes and the synthesized sounds I could not find instruments for.It has what I can only call a demonic quality with the greatest harmony (By demonic it mimics the sounds produced within the mind when I have worked loosely with Bael.The quality is similar and stimulates a range of feelings of greatness and majesty) The less the mind has to focus on the input from the body along with the conscious spam,the more energy it posesses for more seemingly important and pleasurable things such as lucid dream. Does anyone ever get these emotions or responses that cant be classified by conscious thought?Let me clarify.Theres a vareity of emotions when awake but they pale in comparisson to that which is felt during dream.That which lies outside of the known spectrum of the conscious mind,as thus its impossible for me to describe. I've had that, it's like you stop paying attention to your regular senses for a time.
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Post by coren on Feb 5, 2007 12:46:20 GMT -6
I discovered the ability to lucid dream by accident early on in my life (came complete with the astral projection ability). And now I seldom have regular Dreams. It seems like I will awake in a random environment and be completely conscience of the fact that I am in the dream universe. Its weird that I usually don't know any of the people present in my dreams, but they seem to know me at times.
But on a different note, has anyone ever done weird things like this: Once I had this dream that I was staring at the sun, then all of a sudden I became Lucid. I had the idea to see if I could move the sun with a thought. I did and the dream world went black and started to shake. I saw people driving by having accidents. Animals were running out of the forest in an insane manner. I was terrified that I could pull this off and it actually had negative effects on the dream world.
One last question can any walk through walls, fly, or exhibit telekinetic abilities in dreams. I also seem to be able to experience a full range of senses (including this weird 360 degree vision). I can also shape shift into other people and animals. Worst of all I have been shot, punched and kicked in dreams and continued ticking without feeling anything. I also seem to be gaining quite a following in the dream universe. I have had weird dreams of what I will call UFO entities; they are pink skinned beings that look almost like the grays except they are not very frightening looking (kinda seem like friends). I've seen a short reptilian type who look just as friendly, as well as these types that look like human children with catlike eyes. They seem to be lucid dreaming as well and will seek me out in a dream even if there are other people present (completely ignoring them). They usually talk to me about what they are doing, which ,as it turns out, seems to be waiting to talk to me. If they are behind UFOs in the waking world then, I have discovered their secret; they are UFOs. They only turn to balls of light when they are flying about. Also they seem to be in danger from another presence which disturbs me. These are dark air craft that are shaped like triangles and sometimes pyramids, or modified F-22s. What the heck is going on in my dreams? I have not been abducted or even seen a UFO in real life which is why I find this odd.
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Post by youma on Feb 5, 2007 21:25:36 GMT -6
I know what you mean. Sometimes dreams develop a weird sort of continuity. I had that for a while now, and is seems to increase over time, perhaps because of the increasing number of details remembered over the years. When I was young it was just little details, like if I bought chocolate in one dream and hid it in a drawer, I could find it again another night if I wanted it. Eventually I could describe the little world that built itself over an addition of little details and the expectable extravagance of dreams, but I think for now what it would accomplish is to bore people Anyway what you told, while being different in content, is similar in essence, so it would probably bring little to explain it all...
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Post by Yevathik on Feb 6, 2007 1:46:20 GMT -6
In one dream, I was in a very small universe. The entire world composed of a single room, and anything beyond that was nothingness and other dimensions. There was a man there, I don't remember a thing about how he looked.
At some point, I discovered something bad about him, not sure what it was, but it compelled me to destroy the tiny dimension. I concentrated harder than I have on anything else in my life. The room violently shook, the man panicked, the small reality unraveled, and I woke up.
I think the man had been trying to trick me into staying there as long as possible - maybe forever. Not sure, but whatever it was, I felt it was purely in self-defense that I destroyed that world. I don't know what happened to the man.
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Post by conrahsarahteena on Sept 3, 2007 11:45:52 GMT -6
Even my earlierst childhood dreams were lucid. I can't remember ever not being aware that I was dreaming. i kept my favorite dreams in a filing cabinet back in the day. When I was starting to fall asleep I would think of the dream I wanted to replay, walk up to the cabinet, open it, pick out that file folder, and te dream would start. Eventually I moved on to controling dreams I didn't like. From ther I moved on to peeking in on other people's dreams and then enetering, then controling other people's dreams. i was taught to call this skill dreamcasting. I use dremcasting mostly for helping my students face thier fears in a safe enviroment. In a cast dream you can fail a test without getting hurt in the waking world and keep trying until you get it right. It's a great teaching tool!
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Post by jameson on Sept 4, 2007 7:03:22 GMT -6
I discovered the ability to lucid dream by accident early on in my life (came complete with the astral projection ability). And now I seldom have regular Dreams. It seems like I will awake in a random environment and be completely conscience of the fact that I am in the dream universe. Its weird that I usually don't know any of the people present in my dreams, but they seem to know me at times. But on a different note, has anyone ever done weird things like this: Once I had this dream that I was staring at the sun, then all of a sudden I became Lucid. I had the idea to see if I could move the sun with a thought. I did and the dream world went black and started to shake. I saw people driving by having accidents. Animals were running out of the forest in an insane manner. I was terrified that I could pull this off and it actually had negative effects on the dream world. One last question can any walk through walls, fly, or exhibit telekinetic abilities in dreams. I also seem to be able to experience a full range of senses (including this weird 360 degree vision). I can also shape shift into other people and animals. Worst of all I have been shot, punched and kicked in dreams and continued ticking without feeling anything. I also seem to be gaining quite a following in the dream universe. I have had weird dreams of what I will call UFO entities; they are pink skinned beings that look almost like the grays except they are not very frightening looking (kinda seem like friends). I've seen a short reptilian type who look just as friendly, as well as these types that look like human children with catlike eyes. They seem to be lucid dreaming as well and will seek me out in a dream even if there are other people present (completely ignoring them). They usually talk to me about what they are doing, which ,as it turns out, seems to be waiting to talk to me. If they are behind UFOs in the waking world then, I have discovered their secret; they are UFOs. They only turn to balls of light when they are flying about. Also they seem to be in danger from another presence which disturbs me. These are dark air craft that are shaped like triangles and sometimes pyramids, or modified F-22s. What the heck is going on in my dreams? I have not been abducted or even seen a UFO in real life which is why I find this odd. I'm a bit late I realize but Id love to hear more about these dreams dealing with these seemingly extra terrestrial beings.I sometimes at random intervals get dreams that qualify as contact with something other which is why it interest me Eventually I moved on to controling dreams I didn't like. From ther I moved on to peeking in on other people's dreams and then enetering, then controling other people's dreams. i was taught to call this skill dreamcasting. Id like to learn about this technique.
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