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Post by ratmage on Jan 14, 2008 19:51:04 GMT -6
Some times pain has a way of altering ones state of mind. some people whip them selves or have someone else do it to reach gnosis . Pain is also a way of raising energy for spells and rituals . Pain can also be sexual . Any one who knows any thing of sex as a valid form of magical expression ,knows that in a ritual context an orgasm creates a short cut to the divine source , even gnosis . So to orgasm from a sexual pain causes a greater rise of energy ,and possibly deeper state of gnosis . That is all I have as of so far.
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Post by iconoclasm on Jan 14, 2008 20:15:36 GMT -6
Hmmm... fascinating,I have yet to use sexual gnosis in anything...Might be a good thing to use sorcery for,a sexual partner ;D Pain works well but it is however,extremely unstable.Before I developed my striking ability and severely fractured my right hand,I once slammed it through one of those plastic milk crates with the intent to shut a street light off in front of the house  Anyhow,I was howling in pain when that was over and the skin was shredded ,however oddly enough it worked. However,seeing success I started to end my rituals by hitting myself really hard in the solar plexus.Hurt like hell but did not always works as a suitable mode of gnosis.I find the body builds up a tolerance to pain(any of you guys who get into a lot of fights learn this though I usually dont) too fast to remain effective. Having dislocated every bone in my right fist over the summer in a blind rage,there are some pains that one does not get used to.The pressure of dislocation and broken bone is one of these things |
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Post by iconoclasm on Jan 15, 2008 2:36:40 GMT -6
Yeah one has to be extremely careful with what you aplly pain and sex to.
Funny thing,a long while back I was listening to an audio stream of a guy who was doing pain evocations.He started by giving his physical pain a shape,a color etc.Full visualization.Then he visualized a circle on the floor.He then uses a exhale to project energy (pain even?) unto that spot until he evokes a pain entity looking much like he imagined his pain.
Sounds pretty cool.I used his method to create an astral watcher that upon its return would give me random impressions.Im digressing ,I can imagine it can be useful in sex too.What would a sex evocation using the same technique yeild?One of these many lifetimes I shall see what sex feels like and try it....1 day
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Post by ratmage on Jan 15, 2008 9:38:21 GMT -6
Hmmm... fascinating,I have yet to use sexual gnosis in anything...Might be a good thing to use sorcery for,a sexual partner ;D Pain works well but it is however,extremely unstable.Before I developed my striking ability and severely fractured my right hand,I once slammed it through one of those plastic milk crates with the intent to shut a street light off in front of the house Anyhow,I was howling in pain when that was over and the skin was shredded ,however oddly enough it worked. However,seeing success I started to end my rituals by hitting myself really hard in the solar plexus.Hurt like hell but did not always works as a suitable mode of gnosis.I find the body builds up a tolerance to pain(any of you guys who get into a lot of fights learn this though I usually dont) too fast to remain effective. Having dislocated every bone in my right fist over the summer in a blind rage,there are some pains that one does not get used to.The pressure of dislocation and broken bone is one of these things best to use a whip ,or power cord, a blunt pain fades quicker. |
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Post by youma on Jan 17, 2008 19:08:52 GMT -6
Power cord? Used as a whip or for the electricity?
Around the age of 13, I played with electricity, but it's a sensation one gets used to rather quickly.
For sex + pain, girls are luckier than boys I'll say. Just yesterday, I felt horny, picked a bottle that was too large to fit in my vagina and crouched on it. (with the cap on, enough horror stories about girls and open bottles!) I positioned myself so that staying high enough for it not to push in would require difficult effort, so over time it would still force its way in as my legs would grow too tired to prevent it. Once the muscles were completely relaxed (pelvian muscles are strange, you stress them and they react by loosening) I removed the bottle, lubricated it and put it back. Then there's no way to stop it, it slips right in, it HURTS, but it's instantaneous orgasm too!
Guys can't get so direct pain/sexual stimulation combinations, as well as the notion of getting pleasurable sensations from allowing things inside one's body, invading it where it's most vulnerable. I mean, hey, it's your very sacred flesh, but shove things in it till you feel like it'll burst, and it's going to love it! That's so dirty.
I realise it's a bit dangerous and could result in injury, but I consider the risk moderate.
Some guys probably thought: eww, she must be loose, but actually, how tight a girl's vagina is depends on how firm the pelvian muscles are, not on how far they can stretch when you want them to. So if your girlfriend wants to be fisted, you can do it and still have good sex, just not right after.
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Post by iconoclasm on Jan 17, 2008 21:59:27 GMT -6
Hehe a girl would have to be loose for me to...never mind just my distorted ego ranting. Seriously though,women are made to experience a greater range of sensations more so than men.In psychology I learned its a biological fact that women are more receptive to pleasure and pain.Hence most taste testers are women.Men are simply meant to nut and leave,its disappointing from a man who's intellectual curiosities get the better of him having to bear with life with less ability to feel.Such leads to an inability to care LOL (depressing) However,is it possible for a man and woman to forge a connection where they can simultaneously feel each other's pain and pleasure?It be an interesting experiment,however I am looking for the right lab assistant ;D Say you felt no guilt in pleasuring yourself or no disgust?I don't look down on such actions but....something always feels wrong.My head is kinda fucked up when it comes to sex and masturbation...Feels so wrong.I feel so pure being untouched LOL but when I try something else,I feel so nauseas and suicidal after attempting to pleasure...   I suppose pleasure and pain can exist for a guy with deep rooted sexual issues LOL I suppose occultism is the only worthy distraction where I dont have to be assaulted with my flaws. |
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Post by youma on Jan 18, 2008 15:58:04 GMT -6
There's no guilt in that. It's natural to experience desire, and how to handle it is a personnal freedom. That I wouldn't let a man touch me right now doesn't mean that I have no interest in sex.
A female is more physically fit to have pleasure in masochist ways (if it wasn't obvious enough, feminisation is a common fantasy for male masochists) but there are plenty of things to do with a male body too. I think males being less receptive is caused by culture, as boys are taught to repress their emotions, so when a man wants to enjoy something thoroughly, he first has a taboo to overcome.
You'll probably feel less guilty about your own desires when you can accept that they're a part of you; you can't master something that you can't look at. And you'll probably think about it less often when it's not something forbidden anymore.
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Post by iconoclasm on Jan 18, 2008 18:53:01 GMT -6
Its like sometimes I except it ,then when I look back Im disappointed.Maybe my fantasy was not as creative and gratifying as I desired it or maybe I found my mind just odd in its interest.Or maybe I could have enjoyed it more thoroughly.Over-thinking is gonna be the death of me If I were a woman,I d have no guilt,the thought of a woman pleauring herself is a turn on.A guy...ewwww!THe curse of being a man...I never wanted to be a fucking man.I must be careful not to let my rage overtake me..My rage will become hatred and my feelings will be bitter towards women... Men ,our only fucking purpose is war and death,not pleasure.Men have to fight and die.My knowledge has poisoned my perceptions and me. |
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Jan 19, 2008 2:10:30 GMT -6
And THAT is a very important point, I've been thinking about it a lot lately, not in this regard exactly but still... applies to other things as well.
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Post by youma on Jan 20, 2008 7:28:14 GMT -6
Maybe you could try finding a dom on a BDSM page, some have personnal ads so you can meet someone. First some lady might be interesting in doing a virgin, one that she'll totally own with her experience, maybe your chances are better than on normal love agencies, second, if you have guilt issues about sex, letting someone else be in charge might let it not be "your fault." Of course it's not a porn video, only a minority of women look like porn stars, you'll have to be ready for that. If I wasn't into letting the other take the initiative, I could possibly offer my help, after all a bound and gagged guy can't hurt me  (but then you live in the USA, I don't like the border and the border doesn't like me) With years of masochistic fantasies, I have a good selection of erotic tortures ;D |
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Post by iconoclasm on Jan 20, 2008 14:11:31 GMT -6
For the most part the sexual self is stabilized.There is no need to worry about sex,think about it or indulge it.I'll be so torn most of the week it won't matter ;D .Who said chemo-gnosis doesn't have its applications?
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Post by youma on Jan 20, 2008 16:04:40 GMT -6
I'd rather hear that you've been indulging in sex than in alcohol  |
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Post by iconoclasm on Jan 20, 2008 18:14:37 GMT -6
Of course it's not a porn video, only a minority of women look like porn stars, you'll have to be ready for that. Being a lil fetishistic ,all I look for in terms of sexual attraction are long sensual legs,beautiful well taken care of feet and a pretty face (or a face that wont make me cringe lol) In terms of sex,at the moment such an action is impossible for me to indulge as it has been for the pass 22 years.Its not that I'm incapable.The complications of seeking a mate overwhelm me to extremes so as usual ,I give up and don't try.Women are aliens to me.Its kinda hard to forge even a connection on a purely sexual basis.If only there weren't stuff wrong in my head...but I know it wont go away. So i drink it away LOL |
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Post by ratmage on Jan 21, 2008 19:05:22 GMT -6
do a spell to attract a mate
you can use the link I am about to post (auto of course seeing as you have no one and use it to attract a mate
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Post by ratmage on Jan 21, 2008 19:06:44 GMT -6
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Post by iconoclasm on Jan 21, 2008 19:25:18 GMT -6
You really think it may be a good idea for me to be with another person?
It can't hurt to try as a simple exercise of power I suppose.I'll be sure to give it a spin ;D
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Post by ratmage on Jan 21, 2008 22:01:37 GMT -6
every one deserves a mate
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Post by iconoclasm on Jan 25, 2008 1:55:05 GMT -6
Loneliness is the only thing keeping me angry and sour towards other.I love that anger,that sourness is my existence.
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Post by ratmage on Jan 25, 2008 17:38:16 GMT -6
i never said it had to be an actual relationship .
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Post by iconoclasm on Jan 25, 2008 18:50:29 GMT -6
Forgive me,its been a bit of a rough week.If i came across as harsh,its due to a mind thats having trouble expressing itself via art.(Sighs)
I definitely will consider a mate of some sort.No man can initiate into the ancient secrets without a lil sex LOL .Beside being alone forever will get kinda old at some point.
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Post by mari66 on Aug 22, 2008 15:31:21 GMT -6
Power cord? Used as a whip or for the electricity? Around the age of 13, I played with electricity, but it's a sensation one gets used to rather quickly. For sex + pain, girls are luckier than boys I'll say. Just yesterday, I felt horny, picked a bottle that was too large to fit in my vagina and crouched on it. (with the cap on, enough horror stories about girls and open bottles!) I positioned myself so that staying high enough for it not to push in would require difficult effort, so over time it would still force its way in as my legs would grow too tired to prevent it. Once the muscles were completely relaxed (pelvian muscles are strange, you stress them and they react by loosening) I removed the bottle, lubricated it and put it back. Then there's no way to stop it, it slips right in, it HURTS, but it's instantaneous orgasm too! Guys can't get so direct pain/sexual stimulation combinations, as well as the notion of getting pleasurable sensations from allowing things inside one's body, invading it where it's most vulnerable. I mean, hey, it's your very sacred flesh, but shove things in it till you feel like it'll burst, and it's going to love it! That's so dirty. I realise it's a bit dangerous and could result in injury, but I consider the risk moderate. Some guys probably thought: eww, she must be loose, but actually, how tight a girl's vagina is depends on how firm the pelvian muscles are, not on how far they can stretch when you want them to. So if your girlfriend wants to be fisted, you can do it and still have good sex, just not right after. The traditional use of the scourge in Witchcraft is suppose to be to silence wayward thoughts while the Witch is trying to concentrate their magickal work .....the Catholic monks used it to silence their sexual urges, I believe. Females do have that advantage of pain and pleasure, though depending on wether a woman is turned on enough during sex, pain maybe the only sensation. I find that when there is abstinence from sex for a couple of months, the first penetration is painful like being a virgin again. Pain sends out negative and resentful thoughts, personally I dont see it as bringing anything fruitful to a magikal operation for the Mage. It should be pleasurable to me during sex magick. Both partners should be really into each other and to let themselves explore all that is erotic about sex. Food and sex is a fetish of mine, puring sweet liquids on your partner and performing oral sex is very sensual pleasure. |
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 22, 2008 16:03:10 GMT -6
some people get off on pain. others get off on anger... it's a strange world, but almost everyone has a fetish or three.
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Post by sin on Aug 25, 2008 12:04:31 GMT -6
Sheesh, and here I thought it was the pathway to God! I don't know about Gnosis, but I sure as hell have had some revelations!
I love to be choked, scratched, bitten, man-handled - it's a psychological issue though. It's because I'm such a dominant person, I want to 'pretend' to be passive. Then when I've had enough of that, I'm back to being the dominator.
Can I use that magically? I have, and I've torn holes in the universe - so tread lightly.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 25, 2008 15:54:56 GMT -6
it could be the fun of role reversal, dominant in life... submissive in the bedroom. or it could be female genetics. women have been manhandled by men for millions of years. after all that time, something was bound to stick, right?
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Post by sin on Aug 26, 2008 10:26:05 GMT -6
it could be the fun of role reversal, dominant in life... submissive in the bedroom. or it could be female genetics. women have been manhandled by men for millions of years. after all that time, something was bound to stick, right?
VS It's possible, but I'm never fully passive. I guess it goes against my nature. It's been a common complaint among men, 'be more passive' ...pfff! Hell, even when I took Latin dancing, I insisted on being the lead, though the dance calls for the man to lead. It was a common issue with my dance instructor who was intimidated by me anyway. Then when I took it to the dance floor, it seemed to me that my dance partners liked being led. *lol* imagine that. Genetics? I'm not so sure about that, if women were genetically content to be manhandled, why have they fought it so - tooth and nail? Secretly, we like it in some form or another. I admire a nice big strong man, it gets tiring always bearing the balls, ya know? Where have all the cowboys gone?  |
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Post by wizardwhateley on Dec 21, 2008 12:11:15 GMT -6
I sometimes with I was a girl simply for two reasons:
1. The power you have over men.
2. I could know what sex is like from the other side.
3. To know what pregnancy felt like. (to have something else squirm inside you must feel very interesting.)
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Post by Madguten on Dec 29, 2008 19:25:37 GMT -6
That reminds me of a sci-fi movie i once saw where there was a scene with some sort of a future virtual reality bordello where people came and experienced things like sex from the viewpoint of the the opposite gender.
I dont remember what film though.
I dont know if i would want to experience pregnancy, i have often thought about how lucky i am to not have to do three particular things that women do, namely pregnancy, birth, and the periods.
...the periods!...the periods!...
Oh lord the periods...... ;D
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Post by youma on Jan 9, 2009 15:35:05 GMT -6
1. The power you have over men. It's not always pleasant. Many boys think that if they desire a woman, she made them do, and now owe them to fulfil that desire. Then they get angry if she doesn't lust back... Hopefully a normally intelligent man doesn't keep that idea long past the age of 14. These boobies are attached on, I can't leave them home! *stops short of ranting* Huh, well, see what I mean? Women are annoyed by that "power" at times! Though today, my hormones are mad and I'd really go for a good crazy pervert. My neighbour might be interested, he's into BDSM, but since he's a lot older than me, he might find it suspicious if I make an advance. |
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 9, 2009 16:36:36 GMT -6
it's difficult to resist human nature.
you'd be surprised how easy it is for a man to rationalize anything when sex gets involved.
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Post by youma on Jan 9, 2009 17:59:10 GMT -6
Haha, maybe I should give it a try.  Maybe I should find a way to go more public about my preferences, I had a pretty skilled master for a while but it's over, it would be a good idea to look for another one. |
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I suppose pleasure and pain can exist for a guy with deep rooted sexual issues LOL
(but then you live in the USA, I don't like the border and the border doesn't like me)
