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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 28, 2006 14:17:25 GMT -6
Buddhism (also known as Buddha Dharma (Pali: Dhamma), "the teachings of the awakened one") is a dharmic, non-theistic religion, a way of life, a practical philosophy, and arguably a form of psychology. Buddhism focuses on the teachings of Gautama Buddha (Pali: Gotama Buddha), who lived on the Indian subcontinent in or around the fifth century BCE. Buddhism spread throughout the subcontinent in the five centuries following the Buddha's passing, and propagated into Central, Southeast, and East Asia over the next two millennia. Today, Buddhism is divided primarily into three traditions: Theravāda (Sanskrit: Sthaviravāda), Mahāyāna, and Vajrayāna. Buddhism continues to attract followers worldwide, and it is considered a major world religion. According to one source, "World estimates for Buddhists vary between 230 and 500 million, with most around 350 million." However, other sources give approximately 708 million adherents. Buddhism is the fifth-largest religion in the world behind Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and traditional Chinese religion, respectively. Buddhism is the fourth-largest organised religion in the world, and the monks' order Sangha is amongst the oldest organisations on earth. When used in a generic sense, a Buddha is generally considered to be a person who discovers the true nature of reality through years of spiritual cultivation, investigation of the various religious practices of his time, and meditation. This transformational discovery is called bodhi - literally, "Awakening" (more commonly called "Enlightenment"). Any person who has become awakened from the "sleep of ignorance" by directly realizing the true nature of reality is called a Buddha. Gautama Buddha is said to have been only the latest of many of these; there were other Buddhas before him and there will be others in the future. According to Gautama Buddha, any person can follow his example and become enlightened through the study of his words "Dharma" and putting them into practice, by leading a virtuous, moral life, and purifying the mind. Concisely put, the aim of Buddhist practice is to put an end to the stress of existence. "I teach one thing and one thing only: suffering and the end of suffering" (The Buddha). To achieve this state of the end of suffering (Nirvana or Nirodha), adherents train and purify the mind by following the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, eventually arriving at an understanding of the true nature of all things. In this way all ignorance and unhappiness is ended, and liberation attained. Buddhist teaching encourages individuals to practice and verify the Buddha's teachings based on their own personal experience, and also after consulting with 'the wise'. If they find the teachings are valid (leading to more happiness and less suffering), they can apply these teachings in a practical form into their daily life if they so wish. from Wikipedia personally, i have mixed feels about Buddhism. there are some parallels with the Cult of Cthulhu philosophy such as: human suffering is at the core of man's existential plight; the pursuit of enlightenment which leads to Awakening; practice and verification of teachings...
however, when it comes to Buddhism's dispassion, giving up desire, not fully enjoying the pleasures of life, non-extremism, and strict morality... i feel that it totally goes against the Cult of Cthulhu.
how do others feel?
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Post by baphomet on Oct 18, 2006 18:40:13 GMT -6
Yes, I agree with you in a few regards.
While some of my philosophies are parallel to those of buddhism, I believe in enjoying the flesh. Carnal buddhism, if you will.
For me, the key issue isn't so much enjoying the flesh, but rather getting addicted to it and being enslaved by it.
Anything can be a drug of sorts: food, alcohol, sex, actual drugs. You can enjoy them all you want. But things aren't going to be so good if you have a major addiction and you can't function without your drug.
For me the goal lies in enjoyment without attatchment. Taking the drug without the addiction. Because if we let our carnal desires rule us, then we are no longer in charge of our flesh or souls, and the quest for enlightment will be seriously hindered if you're always worried about getting enough booze.
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Post by bhudda on Jan 17, 2007 19:40:02 GMT -6
If we nuked everything there would be no distracions, we would all attain inlightenment and peace.
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Post by ajwins on Jan 18, 2007 0:27:22 GMT -6
If we nuked everything there would be no distracions, we would all attain inlightenment and peace. I see a flaw in your reasoning...
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Post by Yevathik on Jan 18, 2007 1:54:53 GMT -6
If we nuked everything there would be no distracions, we would all attain inlightenment and peace. Perhaps you should think your cunning plan through a bit more thoroughly.
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Post by m2alik on Feb 27, 2007 12:23:23 GMT -6
Yesterday I bought Ch'un Buddhism book By chuan yuang. The Difference from buddhism and Satanic Enlightment is the first wants escape while the other wants to Rule. You can Be Enlightened yet Be Satanic. Remember As Above, So below. By that what is done below is done above and what is done above is done below. The difference is All in Awareness. And Yes! Buddhism is similar to Fourth Way. it is all about path to the same. All is perspective and which to use depending on situation. That is the meaning of slipping out belief systems. I hope this is clear.Thank You! ;D
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 27, 2007 14:23:29 GMT -6
yes, i agree with that. and i think the wise black magician needs to pursue both... escape and power. not easy to do, but necessary.
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Post by mike on Mar 3, 2007 23:11:40 GMT -6
Buddhism is a somewhat sanctimonious belief system, and I disagree with its fundamental precept; 'all existence is suffering and suffering comes from desire', I would argue the converse; every emotional experience, both positive and negative (in the view of the individual experiencing the emotion,) comes from desire; our existence is governed by desire, for without desire there can be no will, as there is no will toward any specific thing. Having trawled through the various paths of Nihilism and existentialism and having internalised their concepts, I found my solution to alienation in passion; and there can be no passion without desire.
I take issue with any system of thought which argues that there is something innately wrong with being human.
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Post by Deadly Disease on Apr 9, 2007 5:39:36 GMT -6
Budhism is a sacred religion and i plan to study it in my future studies. Budhism is centered on the act of becoming a god through means of abolishing the ego and becoming one with the universe. Sounds cool eh?
Well satanism is the exact opposite, becoming a god through means of exalting the ego.
Absolutely on opposite sides of the coin regarding satanism , CoC.
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 9, 2007 11:42:41 GMT -6
i don't think that Buddhism involves becoming a god. rather, Buddhists endeavor to be in harmony with God, the universe, and higher spiritual planes. you are right that Satanism and the Cult of Cthulhu are against this. the Left Hand Path desires to make God, the universe, and higher dimensions harmonious with the individual black magician. Will is the key to power.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Apr 30, 2007 19:40:29 GMT -6
Budhism makes one great through restristions and rules forbaying certain actions. Satanism makes one great through endulgences.
shail
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Apr 30, 2007 19:43:13 GMT -6
Budhism is a sacred religion and i plan to study it in my future studies. Budhism is centered on the act of becoming a god through means of abolishing the ego and becoming one with the universe. Sounds cool eh? Well satanism is the exact opposite, becoming a god through means of exalting the ego. Absolutely on opposite sides of the coin regarding satanism , CoC. Alexandros Ididn't read this before, well said. shail
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Post by Madguten on Jul 18, 2007 3:22:18 GMT -6
The way i see it, its kinda like like this..... Buddhism and satanism are two opposite extremes of the same basic understanding. Its all about not playing yourself (cheating yourself).
Buddhists have chosen to do this by completely keeping away from popular folly or general urge pleasing, thereby they try (and probably succeed) to annul impulses that they consider harmful. Thats one way to be in harmony with yourself, not a sheep, but in control.
The satanist also sees the world for what it is. He sees that there are both positive and negative emotions, and accepts it. Doing this he can study life without wasting time on self-deluding shame spirals. The satanist have chosen to indulge itself in life.
So..... The buddhist sees that man is a beast and tries to counter that. The satanist sees that man is a beast and does not counter that. None of them are really deluded, they have knowingly chosen according to the facts. Unlike many other religion, that do not allow such blashemy as humans in control of themselves.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 18, 2007 10:34:16 GMT -6
i'd say that's half of it. both of these paradigms are about the individual and how the individual relates to the outside world. Buddhists want to escape suffering by not craving indulgence while Satanists want to escape suffering by trying to achieve their worldly desires. to me, it seems that both paths contain some suffering (because that is the secret truth of this world: everyone suffers), but at least the Satanist gets some reward for his suffering... he gains pleasure which the Buddhist denies himself.
of course, both of these systems are inherently flawed. and it's because they attack the result. they strike at the problem's manifestation: suffering. what the Cult of Cthulhu tries to do is realize the nature of the problem (the universe promotes our suffering) and to effectively deal with it (over come suffering, master it, transcend this world). the 4th way has influenced us greatly.
so, in effect, the Cult of Cthulhu synthesizes these two opposing spiritual philosophies and then goes beyond them.
let me know if you have questions or comments about what i've just said.
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Post by Madguten on Jul 18, 2007 15:44:06 GMT -6
I agree. I respect buddhism, although i find it unnatural to mentally castrate oneself. Satanists of course very often become so ego driven that it becomes limiting for their lives and progress. Buddhists miss out on a couple of things. My advice would be to simply do what one does without dwelling to much on rules and mental frames. As long as one is not seriously harmful to others, then hey.
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Post by amnesiac on Oct 16, 2007 0:50:02 GMT -6
I only found this thread just now and found it most interesting. I guess one stumbles on those threads needed at that particular moment. Quote by Venger: "...but at least the Satanist gets some reward for his suffering... he gains pleasure which the Buddhist denies himself."
I am not really sure about that as enlightenment is the reward itself. Earthly pleasures are not lasting and when walking the path of enlightenment it doesn't fulfill but momentarily. When I read all those posts I realize that Buddhism would be right up my alley. For I know how destructive the ego can be, how cunning, how deceitful. I really enjoyed your comments Madguten, you seem to have a good overall look on things. You consider both without judgment, interesting. I agree with the possibility of synthesis as mentioned by Venger. I'm still figuring out this one. I feel like I have come to a sort of turning point here, an important one that will influence the rest of my travel.
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Post by Madguten on Oct 16, 2007 5:16:36 GMT -6
Thanks, i had a discussion with my brother yesterday, Weather or not it was really possible to be truly objective and see everything for what it really is. We both agreed that it is NOT possible, not for a sustained period anyway. We might get flashes of the truth by nature,coincident and by seeking, but the truths is of supersonic speed and our third eye can simply not keep up with it, and so the illusions take over. I think that it is due to the fact that we are physical beings and mammals. We are born and baptized in illusion. We MUST be to survive in this world. Live needs to consume life to keep living. The truth is that the TRUTH is horrible and insanifying.
But it is not all bad unless we want it to be. Knowing that we are illusionized by our surroundings and by ourselves, we can choose and pick from these illusions and make a better world for ourselves full of self chosen illusions that one agree and feel at peace with. In order to function it would be wise to remain in contact with the collective illusion, because if you dont you will be put in an asylum or worse. A lot of brave, honest and loving people live horrible tormented lives some in incarceration not because they are dangerous, but simply because the herd of the collective illusion can not understand them. In a way you could say that they speak the language of dead gods. Many have lived and died under those conditions.
Oh man, i think i made up a couple of new words there, lol
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Post by amnesiac on Oct 16, 2007 7:23:48 GMT -6
LOL that was the Divine speaking there...along with it came new words...yes the creator huh! Shed some light on me too will you, Madguten! Thanks for your post!
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 16, 2007 10:08:44 GMT -6
if enlightenment is the reward then...
1. isn't that goal also driven by the ego?
2. how can one really know if they are in an enlightened state or moving towards an enlightened state?
3. can't one have earthly pleasures and enlightenment... or spiritual development as i like to call it?
in the way that Buddhism is taken as lowest common denominator christianity (by that i mean as the universe's willing subservient lapdog), i think it's a sick and pathetic weakness. anyone that wants to live as an ego-less vegetable might as well be dead already. the world has too many human slaves already.
however, if one uses the reflective mindfulness of Buddhism to see outside themselves and gain a wider perspective, then i think that's great. so it's all in how one uses it... like most things.
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Dec 12, 2007 2:25:49 GMT -6
Zen Buddhist koans are a good example of the "reflective mindfulness" VS is talking about. Buddhist practice is very "inhuman" compared to its philosophy I think... in other words, I like reading about it but don't have what it takes to enter a monastery and am quite happy this way.
I'm more into Taoist philosophy, has anybody here read Lin Yutang's book The Importance of Living? I think I had my first feeling of "enlightenment" when I read that a couple of years ago. In short it is a book in praise of earthly life, condemning the way of Buddhist denial. Lin is an interesting person, being born into a Chinese Christian family, "converting" back to traditional Chinese thinking and then in his later years converting back to Christianity, if I remember right.
When it comes to Bushidô, my views of Buddhism become more respectful in tone... I don't think the Way of the Warrior would work all that well under Satanist principles. You really need to learn to say no to pleasure when you enter that path. Meifumadô, the Way of demons and damnation, is a wholly another thing though... read the Lone Wolf and Cub manga by Kazuo Koike & Goseki Kojima.
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