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Post by Deadly Disease on Sept 17, 2007 1:44:07 GMT -6
Hello there
I am starting this thread because it has dominated my conscious thoughts alot .
On murder:
Murder is not that bad. I mean, forget ritualistc murder im talking blood cold hard murder. Society has embedded human minds that it is evil and morally unjust to take another life. This is infact, nothing but bullshit. If you kill someone who has WRONGED you you go to jail for 30 years, if you kill someone in combat who hasn't necessarily WRONGED you you are called a hero.
Whats the sense in that?HUh?
Picture this for me:
A man, he has nothing, nothing to live for, he lost his parents in tragic accident, he has no siblings, he has no friends as he was bullied frequently at school, no one loves him, he is alone, he is lonely, hes got nothing to live for, he longs for death to cure the pain, he is depressed manically, he doesn't see the true reality of things, he has alot of hatred and anger in him due to his past,
NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
There have been many fortunate lucky ones who bullied this boy in his younger years incessantly and caused much vexing pain to him. Why not kill him(them)?
Hell, id kill them with a whole heart if you ask me. And i wouldnt care about jail, infact it would probably be better than the current state of what he was in.
Peace
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Post by jameson on Sept 17, 2007 2:05:44 GMT -6
Society's view on murder is a double standard,this is true.The greatest method of legal murder was dueling which is an outlawed practice,if it weren't a man could pick off all his foes one by one.Taking a man's life is far lesser than other ways to cripple and torment him depending on what they believe death holds.
On a more personal level,i dislike where this is going and so I'm inclined to say please,talk it through first,if it be personal pm me.I am not against hexing a fool that it may cause his satisfying end,but I see no value in your incarceration,unless you were there before.
Let the past demons nap,do what u can of magick first if you can and go forward or find something to live for,theres no point killing yourself or subjecting yourself to the end of freedom just to swat a gnat.Im not gonna drop any metaphysical or philosophical bullshit,that aint gonna help.I cant change your mind about suicide or homocide and legally if it leads to investigations,I cant advise you cause I got my own ass to cover.But dude seriously,talk about it or somethin,there has got to be a better way..If it's urgent please talk to someone,psychologist,thereapist,psychiatrist,us if you don't have friends man...whatever,just hang on one day more.Thats all I got left to say on this matter.
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Post by Madguten on Sept 17, 2007 3:50:41 GMT -6
Revenge/murder is unproductive.
Unless it is done in full scale self defense as a physical necessity of the moment, for survival.
Show your strength by letting these fuckers drown in their own shit, for most of these people no fate that you can bestow on them will ever be as bad as the one they are creating for themselves.
These people are falling, my advice is; do not interrupt their downfall lest they drag you down with them. Stand tall. As soon as you are done with school/college you can do whatever you want, you'll have more freedom and believe me, many of these fuckers will be left in the dust.
My point is, you are better than simple revenge. It would be a waste of your time, if you ask me.
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Post by amnesiac on Sept 17, 2007 5:32:41 GMT -6
Very wise advise there Madguten, couldn't have said that any better! They really aren't worth your effort, time nor energy! Just ignore them...
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Post by jameson on Sept 17, 2007 20:56:56 GMT -6
Yo I'm a black man in psyche class who is well spoken with a majority of black women in that class women.So to prove a point the professor whos also black uses the fact that Im black as an example.Its all good right,then some stupid kiss ass nigga bitch sittin behind me implies Im not embracin the fact Im black.I wanna kill this bitch.No one insults my ego,no matter how large or small it is.Imma fuckin hex this retarded bitch,how don't matter but I am not seeing her petty ass again.
I suck at math and I just happen to sound intelligent.So I say something and get it wrong and some stupid fucking spick in the back has the nerve to show me up and try making me sound stupid.I want him fucking dead too.WTF is the matter with ppl.Anyway strange moon out tonight and my ritual chamber is my mind so Ill have fun.
Also why the hell is it so taboo to slaughter animals.If were gonna go there Ill kill whatever the fuck I want.I remember a few summers ago my cat is playing around with a little mouse.I took the mouse out back ,grabbed a hammer and smashed it.It felt good.Though I had to hit twice to kill it.Kicked a fuckin annoyin ass cat before too.Point is why the fuck is it soo taboo to kill a bunch of worthless animals in occultism,satanism and wicca?If i can use magick to ice people,Ill ice animals cause it feels good,fuck what anyone else thinks.
If I sound pissed,I am ,it aint just the alcohol ,on the contrary,the alcohol let me realize I am just in my hatred.I have a few hexes to shoot and if those fail,then ill keep trying.I got better things to do that gettin my ass served to me in prison.
Alexodeous,if they piss u off,go ahead and send em to the grave,I know I will but try using magick first.That way your ass is covered my friend. As for my question ,why the hell is it taboo to ice a fuckin animal?I eat steak,beef ,chicken so it dont matter to me.If u do the same yet your offended by the idea of hurting animals,well guess what,your living a double freakin standard contradicting yourself.But if you wanna be just like the ppl we hate,go ahead,do you.
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Post by amnesiac on Sept 18, 2007 3:41:49 GMT -6
Rage and anger is like a strong savage hurricane going wild through every cell in your body. Makes you realize how powerful this negative emotion really is. It doesn't necessarily have to end in total destruction of others who can be like in your way, resulting in the destruction of yourself as well. Emotions can totally devour you until there is nothing left. There is no strength in that. Although rage and anger are destructive by nature, I think it is possible to bend it to something more useful to yourself, as in essence energy is what it is. Find ways to use this energy for your own benefit and personal growth. It may be your hidden source of abundance. It's like I read somewhere else on this board, it's easier to embrace your benevolent ways than your malevolent ones. But I've come to believe that our strength lies in the latter one.
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Post by jameson on Sept 18, 2007 4:32:17 GMT -6
I agree.I will use it productively and redirect it all into my target who will surely suffer.My rage has subsided,my purpose has not.
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Post by amnesiac on Sept 18, 2007 6:57:28 GMT -6
waiting for patience.
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Post by jameson on Sept 18, 2007 10:08:31 GMT -6
I try and I am patient.Up to now I've been too patient.What is done is done.I place these events of old behind me and move forward
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Post by eratciv on Sept 24, 2007 22:01:09 GMT -6
My young life has driven me to a time at which I would have caused another's death and though I agree that society has wrongful marked murder as being necessarily evil but I am still glad in retrospect that I was saved from the pit I was on the brink of descending.
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Post by jameson on Sept 24, 2007 22:28:32 GMT -6
My young life has driven me to a time at which I would have caused another's death and though I agree that society has wrongful marked murder as being necessarily evil but I am still glad in retrospect that I was saved from the pit I was on the brink of descending. Descending by embracing your desires to kill?There is neither a descent nor ascent.Just a permanent solution to a potential problem
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 25, 2007 11:27:33 GMT -6
too bad. that's where the hideous truth lies...
VS
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Post by eratciv on Sept 26, 2007 9:48:05 GMT -6
I think we are talking about two different pits. I was making a metaphor to committing a murder and subsequent suicide, which is a pit I suspect you would advise me to avoid. However the dark depths of truth and impulses are still on my spelunking routine.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 26, 2007 10:25:13 GMT -6
yes, suicide and any obsessive negative emotions should be avoided. they only derail your True Will (the "I's" that wish to work).
when you practice Self-Remembering and struggle to Awaken, you can actually control your mind, emotions, and physical actions. any other time, you are asleep and have no control; everything you do happens by accident.
it is the nightmarish depths that are beyond good and evil that you should keep exploring.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Gish on Nov 21, 2007 22:07:38 GMT -6
eh, murder would be fine if it were not for the repurcussions, I have better things to do then waste my time in a crappy cell, its better to just do rituals that negatively effect the lives of those you dislike.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Nov 21, 2007 22:17:56 GMT -6
Nothing is more unproductive then a cell.
shail
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 22, 2007 17:34:08 GMT -6
i would disagree with that. look at Timothy Leary, the Marquis DeSade, Adolph Hitler, and countless other prisoners who made use of their time behind bars. living an unproductive life is worse. at least the mind has the potential to remain free in prison. not so with the sleeping state that we are all experiencing right now.
i'd rather have an Awakened consciousness in prison than live on the outside asleep!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Nov 22, 2007 19:31:10 GMT -6
Yes, thats true. But they all had special treatment in prison. If one of us killed a person out off anger or anything, we would end up in a mainstream prison, without special treatment. The closest thing to special treatment is a mental asylum.
shail
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Post by Crow of Coal on Nov 23, 2007 0:04:45 GMT -6
Wouldn't be hard for one of us to get the mental asylum, though, would it?
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Post by Madguten on Nov 23, 2007 1:38:25 GMT -6
Yes, prison is in the mind as the good Charlie M says.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Nov 23, 2007 4:25:47 GMT -6
The problem with asylums is the medication given. Mental Suppressants are , i think that covers it. >i have a thought; what if the laws recognised killing through spells/ rituals as 'real' would you be arrested for it? I spose the best answer is to just look at the witch burnings. shail
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Post by Madguten on Nov 24, 2007 16:42:50 GMT -6
Both are very good points that i agree with.
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Post by Yevathik on Nov 27, 2007 9:05:31 GMT -6
The problem with asylums is the medication given. Mental Suppressants are , i think that covers it. >i have a thought; what if the laws recognised killing through spells/ rituals as 'real' would you be arrested for it? I spose the best answer is to just look at the witch burnings. shail There would never be enough evidence for the laws to change so drastically. Unless you could come up with something in front of SEVERAL high-ranking political officials that couldn't just be dismissed as some kind of trick or illusion, the government at large would remain very much skeptical.
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Post by Crow of Coal on Nov 30, 2007 22:45:12 GMT -6
If they begin to recognize death-spells as murder, however, than it won't be a long road before they have powerful mages working for them (Or leading them) who can be in charge of keeping the world's mages in check.
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Post by iconoclasm on Dec 1, 2007 14:32:49 GMT -6
i would disagree with that. look at Timothy Leary, the Marquis DeSade, Adolph Hitler, and countless other prisoners who made use of their time behind bars. living an unproductive life is worse. at least the mind has the potential to remain free in prison. not so with the sleeping state that we are all experiencing right now.
i'd rather have an Awakened consciousness in prison than live on the outside asleep!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest One can also point to Malcolm X who gained literacy in prison.Free time and no distractions can teach a man alot.Im not eager to go though. If they begin to recognize death-spells as murder, however, than it won't be a long road before they have powerful mages working for them (Or leading them) who can be in charge of keeping the world's mages in check. That'd be one cool ass job ;D
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Dec 6, 2007 17:27:55 GMT -6
That'd make the show cops, more interesting.
shail
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Post by jasmine on Dec 7, 2007 12:56:56 GMT -6
The problem with asylums is the medication given. Mental Suppressants are , i think that covers it. >i have a thought; what if the laws recognised killing through spells/ rituals as 'real' would you be arrested for it? I spose the best answer is to just look at the witch burnings. shail You should check out the laws in Haiti. They have laws that put you to death for being a Bokor. A black magician. Magic is still used so heavily in that country and has been for so long.....there is no disbelief in it. They have laws that govern what you are allowed to do. I have not read them all. I read references to them in some of the books I have read on Voodoo practices. The only one I can remember right now is...."Voodoo Rituals: a user's guide" by Heike Owusu. There are other laws still on the books here in the US that disallow the use of witchcraft and could be dredged up in a court case. On another more fun note.....the sex laws in the US are really fun to check out......I found out that the whole time I was living in Arizona I was commiting sexual crimes on a daily basis. Hee hee As far as Vengers statement goes....I agree with him. I would rather be awake in prison than supposedly "free" and asleep. I would accept the bars gladly.
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Post by iconoclasm on Dec 7, 2007 18:21:23 GMT -6
But is this really freedom?So many distractions and things to derail us from our goals.Throw your tv in the trash,move far away from people,get rid of all un-necessary junk and stuff that evoke distracting memories and then focus.Focus on your goal with no distractions...now this level of uninterrupted focus is freedom.
What we percieve as freedom sometimes can be shackles that bind us to incompletion and distraction.Now that I posted this,Im going to go clean my room and focus on my passion,writing and drawing.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Dec 8, 2007 18:11:14 GMT -6
Focus is not the same as freedom. Freedom is open to interpretation. In prison one has no distractions, you could focus. But still you are not physically free. Perhaps thats the difference, mental freedom and physical.
shail
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 8, 2007 18:32:49 GMT -6
i think a more accurate distinction would be inner and outer freedom. mental, emotional, and spiritual freedom is on the inside. physical freedom is on the outside. ideally, one would like both; however, inner freedom is superior.
VS
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