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Nov 10, 2016 11:31:05 GMT -6
Post by kapoios312 on Nov 10, 2016 11:31:05 GMT -6
Greetings everyone, i'm relatively new to the philosophy of the Cult, i've been lurking around the forum for some time, reading posts. And i've decided to finaly introduce myself! ; D I'm Kass, fascinated by the occult as described in H.P.L.'s works. But i have a question to ask to those around here. I see that the cult philosophy is heavily based on satanism. I myself believe that it should be viewed as a totally different and unique philosophy. I believe that if you don't view it that way, you accept that it is just another branch of satanism, rather than a unique path. What do you think about it?
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Nov 11, 2016 0:49:57 GMT -6
Post by shawnhartnell on Nov 11, 2016 0:49:57 GMT -6
Greeetings. Good start. +1 Kass. Hey, nice to meet you. I'm Shawn, also known as THE SHITHEAD around these parts. (no shit.) Two points for being a lurker coming in from the darkeness. +3 Kass. Hmm... what is this occult as described in H.P.L's works of which you speak? Shoot. I suppose you could say that. I like to say the cult paradigm is informed by Satanism, which is to say that there's something that we've learned from it and integrated into the paradigm as a whole. Another example would be a researcher reading another researchers... uh... research and then, upon verifying it, using it as a framework for further research. Ok... Ah, your question? The Cult Paradigm isn't a branch of Satanism. Congratulations, you're somewhat perceptive.
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Nov 11, 2016 1:16:43 GMT -6
Post by shawnhartnell on Nov 11, 2016 1:16:43 GMT -6
Here the SHITHEAD continues to run his mouth... (type more bullshit.. whatever)
Cult Philosophy (if you wanna call it that) is a melding of many different things.
1. Naturally, we take a lot of inspiration from the occultist H.P. Lovecraft. That's obvious, innit? We are, after all, the Cult of Cthulhu.
2. As you pointed out: Satanism. I'm not for sure what your idea of Satanism is, but here's a quote from it's originator that's a fairly good description:
3. Chaos magic. We're non-dogmatic and emphasize pragmatics over theory. If it works for you, then like, cool, y'know? Key conditional phrase of that being: "if it works" second being "for you". Ex: banging das head against a wall may very well be someone's favorite practice, however, since it doesn't work... y'know, achieve anything except lowering one's intelligence.... well... pffft.
4. Lucid dreaming, subjectivism, existential nihilism, so on and so forth. Merrily, merrily, hey, your existence is like the matrix. Who knew?
5. The Fourth Way: your mind is a prison from which you must escape. Or not. Entirely up to you. (Confused? See above.)
6. Lastly, if you wonder if any given thing is compatible with the Cult Paradigm, we have a guideline for that: "That which is fruitful or pleasurable is The Way." (We call this one The Way, obviously.)
Since I've been at the helm as SHITHEAD, I've been incorporating:
7. Hardcore psychology
8. Sprinkles of NLP and hypnotism
9. A cup o' that psychonaut wizdom
10. Cybernetics
11. The 10 Things All Wisemanzard's Know
12. Complete bullshit
13. And last but not least: some heaping piles of whatnot.
I suppose my point here is that the Cult Paradigm is about as eclectic as it gets, yet all elements are merely different ways of looking at the same thing.
The SHITHEAD has spoken...
So, what's your other questions?
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Nov 13, 2016 11:50:06 GMT -6
Post by kapoios312 on Nov 13, 2016 11:50:06 GMT -6
Sooooo lets see if i get this right,
The Paradigm is Chaotic, so the cultists can use any practises they see fit, ranging from Thelema, to Satanism magic, to Shamanistic rituals and so on, as long as it fits their needs.
It is not a theo-centric religion, such as the major religions like Christianity and Islam, but an anthropo-centric religion, like the ancient greek gods and satanism.
Because satanism has a relatively vague definition, as i see it, you can say that the two philosophies collide and have many common points.
If so, why not base it only on the occultism of H.P.L. and leave anything else aside?
What did i get wrong and what did i get right? : P
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Nov 13, 2016 22:55:18 GMT -6
Post by shawnhartnell on Nov 13, 2016 22:55:18 GMT -6
Right on, man. The first thing you're getting right is that you're trying to understand. +1000 points to you, for being smarter than the average bear. The Paradigm is pragmatic. Chaos magic is by it's nature pragmatic. So, instead of... it's more like... So, it's not enough to like any given practice, but it's also important to know what it does and what you're trying to achieve. Take scrying for example: Essentially, people fix their gaze on something and see things that aren't there. A cultist could practice this using a “paint by numbers” approach where they don't consider the practice beyond finding some instructions on the internet or book and following them. And, this is a perfectly valid approach to mystical practice, but not a valid approach to occult practice. Let's look at the practice itself. A person fixes their gaze on a “suitable medium”, this is usually a dark pool or “black mirror” or otherwise an ordinary mirror in a dark room. In some case the instructions include making sure that there's a slight visible reflection of the scryer and to begin by looking into the eyes of the reflection. From information this we know that several things are going on; 1 the scryer is looking at an indistinct black background and sees things Have you ever saw “things” while looking at clouds? Pretty much the same thing is going on here. The same thing happens to a greater degree in a sensory deprivation chamber. It's a fundamental aspect of human perception that when something is ambiguous, our brain tries to make some sense out of it and we see what it decides the thing is. 2 the scryer fixes his gaze If you're into hypnosis you'll recognize this as an induction technique. This is already kind of longish so I won't go into the specifics. 3 the scryer (sometimes) focuses initially on the eyes of his own reflection Staring into someone else's eyes (not just merely staring at the watch or pen) is known as the hypnotic gaze induction. A fairly recent study confirmed this. Though, it's worth noting that hypnotists have been using this technique forever and a day and didn't wait nor need an academic confirmation. They discovered it through first hand experience, noted that it worked, and used it, because it works. So, what's really going on here? On the shallow end the practice is like interpreting ink blots. On the deep end it's a full blown technique of self-hypnosis and a lesser method of aborigine vision quest. Both are techniques of lifting the veil and getting a look at what's going on in your own subconscious. It's not a religion at all. The CoC is an occult organization. We're more like the Freemasons than a church. Various philosophies have points in common because they were created for similar purposes with different (yet equally valid) views and depth of understanding about the same subject of study: the human mind. HP Lovecraft didn't know everything. You are asking questions and are attempting to verify your understanding. If nothing else, that's respectable. What's your questions? -- DAS SHITHEAD
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Nov 14, 2016 0:41:58 GMT -6
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Post by kapoios312 on Nov 14, 2016 0:41:58 GMT -6
I wont use questions, lets go for T/F statements instead : P
So, its not a religion, its a philosophy about understanding the world in its real form no matter how perilous that would be to the human mind.
Thats the basic principle and every cultist is free to individualy examine any other practice on his own.
Regarding H.P L., if we accept that the Great Old Ones are the only real truth, how can we accept even fragments of philosophy other than those influenced by the Great Old Ones?
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Nov 14, 2016 1:53:33 GMT -6
Post by shawnhartnell on Nov 14, 2016 1:53:33 GMT -6
I wont use questions, lets go for T/F statements instead : P Okay dokay. Mostly true. Very warm. Mostly true. Very warm. Does not compute does not compute does not compute. FULL SYSTEM CRASH.
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Nov 15, 2016 13:44:40 GMT -6
Post by shawnhartnell on Nov 15, 2016 13:44:40 GMT -6
Looking back on this, I'm fairly certain I've projected certain qualities onto you. My bad. I do believe that you're looking for this cult, not the Cult that this forum belongs to.
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Nov 19, 2016 12:01:50 GMT -6
Post by Beast Xeno on Nov 19, 2016 12:01:50 GMT -6
Greetings everyone, i'm relatively new to the philosophy of the Cult, i've been lurking around the forum for some time, reading posts. And i've decided to finaly introduce myself! ; D I'm Kass, fascinated by the occult as described in H.P.L.'s works. But i have a question to ask to those around here. I see that the cult philosophy is heavily based on satanism. I myself believe that it should be viewed as a totally different and unique philosophy. I believe that if you don't view it that way, you accept that it is just another branch of satanism, rather than a unique path. What do you think about it? Greetings Kass, From where do you hail? So instead of trying to answer your question here. I'm going to ask a few of my own. Who knows, you might aid in some reshaping here. 1. What specifically would you propose to modify? I am by no means a H.P.L. expert, an avid fan for sure, but no expert. From all of my reading there is very little from which to draw from. I can see where esoterically you could find useful things, but in terms of proper ritual and practice; Lovecraft peppered just enough to make it interesting. 2. What makes you believe that this is not an unique path? The heavy draw from satanism you see, I see as a balance to the draw from this paradigm by satanism. I mean ASL even pays homage directly in The Satanic Rituals. So please pontificate without worry of ostracization.
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Nov 19, 2016 18:23:18 GMT -6
Post by kapoios312 on Nov 19, 2016 18:23:18 GMT -6
Beast Xeno, i hail from Hellas, Greece as you might call it. I dont't think that i can propose what to keep and what to change yet, my experience is very limited in the Mythos. I believe that it is a unique path, but in the way it is presented it is mixed with many different philosophies foreing to the spirit of the Mythos. I even remember reading somewhere in the forum this part: "His vision of blending specific philosophies and ideologies into a living breathing testament and faith to gods yet to come, was brilliant and possibly beyond this reality. Read more: cocthulhu.proboards.com/thread/5837/coming-yog-sothoth#ixzz4QVIY74Ki" shawnhartnell, does the cult accept that Cthulhu can physicaly come to this world? that there is a way to summon Him, like it was done in Call of Cthulhu? And if so, what is the way to do it?
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