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Post by Padowan on Apr 3, 2015 8:45:36 GMT -6
Is Magick simply the Law of Attraction?
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 5, 2015 20:44:33 GMT -6
Partially, yes. Also because when you make a decision, it becomes the basis of your thinking -- just like beliefs. Beliefs are what you "think from", not what you think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 8:38:02 GMT -6
Yes, for a big part. But this attraction is as powerful as you are Awake ; Focus on Awakening and you will notice all sort of things "magically' getting better for you. Gnosis used in Magick is a way to be in a different state of mind, bordering at least very temporary to awareness.
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Post by Padowan on Apr 7, 2015 14:17:28 GMT -6
@yrreiht
You once asked me, in another post, what is it I wanted (in regards to magick.)
I performed a Sigil and assisted it in some ways afterwards but I need more power directed towards this magical necessity I'm after. I could use some more help.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 9:03:20 GMT -6
With pleasure, but I need more details (here or by PM), what is your goal, and how did you (inflame, activate, send to the void, choose your favorite expression) the sigil, etc.
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Post by Padowan on Apr 8, 2015 10:07:01 GMT -6
Here is some background info:
I know my calling; my true Will or as I call it, my direction. Every action over the course of my self-directed path of over 2 decades has been for one pursuit - to help others Heal and to prevent Dis-ease. That is the most refined characteristic of my nature.
Compassion, kindness, nurturing, assisting, guiding, teaching, encouraging have been my intentions. Understanding, questioning, investigating, observing, experimenting, failing, succeeding have been my tools.
I have one need to set this Will into greater action - financial autonomy.
By my own actions I have attracted a small 'following' where I am actively sought out for answers and information. Mind you, I have no credentials - just personal success in my chosen endeavor. By wonderful chance an acquaintance set into action the beginnings of a small 'business' for me and even provided me with a group of paying participants. This was an entirely unexpected event that I never saw coming.
I have started businesses before. Three of them. They take time to realize returns.
My desire is faster returns. I want to disperse my knowledge in exchange for financial return to realize a gain sufficient to live autonomously by August 2015.
My Sigil:
I used a combination of activating principles to cast the Sigil with Gnosis to finishing with burning the Sigil outdoors.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 8:42:57 GMT -6
"Houston, we've had a problem"...
OK, at least the problem is clearly identified. Please read without prejudice. (edit : I took an hour to write this answer, and it's for you.) As I stated before, gnosis and Awakening are closely related. It may even be the same thing. And a important step to Awakening is being one, with only one "I", and... being centered around your true self.
Your problem is to want to help others while you are the one who needs help the most. Not that you are in worse shape, no, but because your Work on yourself is much more important than problems of ordinary humans. Keep in mind they are machines, they do not deserve what you're giving them.
I'm not asking you to become egoist, but to keep others and their problems at their place, outside of you, else you will not succeed to build and develop yourself. Human has a physical center, a lower emotional center, a lower intellectual center, a higher emotional center and a higher intellectual center. When the work begins, a magnetic center is created, which attire all the others. When the work is complete (I keep it simple) all the centers are inside the magnetic one, and all harmoniously related to each others, but in this harmony, "others" are destructive. You may think it's sad, but excessive compassion is damaging your soul. Only when your soul is perfectly developed, then and only then, as masters of knowledge you will be able to come to lower people to help them.
Do you have children ? Are you still is age to have ?
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Post by Padowan on Apr 10, 2015 11:13:09 GMT -6
Interesting. I need more information to verify your statements
You said "Keep in mind they are machines, they do notdeserve what you're giving them." I cannot think that way. For one, I was once one of those 'machines' and someone came to my aid. For another, they are still human.
Even more interesting are your inquiries into my mothering status and capabilities. Before I answer I want to know why you ask.
And thank you for your extended effort in formulating an answer for me. I do appreciate the time you took.
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Post by Padowan on Apr 11, 2015 9:43:47 GMT -6
I have a few questions.
Why do you assume I have not already done the work on myself to allow me to help others? Is there a particular order of Awakening ? Is there a way you can test my Awakwness? Is there a criteria of prior knowledge of Magick or terminology I must have to be Awake? Can you compare your Awakeness with mine?
How do you know I haven't already Awakened through another path (which is highly likely) before I crossed paths with LHP?
Might it be possible that my True Will be centered in Compassion? How far is compassion from Love?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 7:36:41 GMT -6
Interesting. I need more information to verify your statements
You said "Keep in mind they are machines, they do notdeserve what you're giving them." I cannot think that way. For one, I was once one of those 'machines' and someone came to my aid. For another, they are still human.
Even more interesting are your inquiries into my mothering status and capabilities. Before I answer I want to know why you ask.
And thank you for your extended effort in formulating an answer for me. I do appreciate the time you took.
(I was in holliday, it didn't took me three days this time )
Well, I asked because of its huge influence on women, I'm trying to know you better to give better help. And it could be linked to your need to give, a typical (and very nice and sane) female instinct.
I'll answer your other questions soon !
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Post by Padowan on Apr 14, 2015 8:56:17 GMT -6
Mother or not I no longer possess a need to give. Giving has produced me nothing but pain.
No. I have a need to live a life worth living by my own standards.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 14, 2015 9:14:29 GMT -6
Mother or not I no longer possess a need to give. Giving has produced me nothing but pain. No. I have a need to live a life worth living by my own standards. Someone understood. I can die happy now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 7:14:12 GMT -6
Here are the replies.
Why do you assume I have not already done the work on myself to allow me to help others? Can you compare your Awakeness with mine? How do you know I haven't already Awakened through another path (which is highly likely) before I crossed paths with LHP?
My dear padowan, I am a Master, I did not declare it myself I earned it from Master Venger Satanis after years of Work and contribution to the Cult of Cthulhu. What I read from you is enough for me to see the difference. No, you are not Awake, and the first step toward Awakening is to realize it.
Is there a criteria of prior knowledge of Magick or terminology I must have to be Awake?
No. But it may help.
Is there a way you can test my Awakeness?
I get your Awakeness from your writings. You can, and I recommend it to everyone, test it yourself (please tell us the result). The Universe obey to an Awaken human. Will it obey to you ? For example, choose a number between 1 and 6, get a dice, and roll it...
Might it be possible that my True Will be centered in Compassion?
I'll make it short : No. It must be centered on yourself, which does not exclude generosity (note : generosity and compassion are not the same).
How far is compassion from Love?
Compassion etymologically is "con - passion", which literally translate from Latin to English in "suffering with" (yes "passion" means "suffering"). You see someone suffering, and you feel the pain as well. Compassion is false love. False love is a mechanical instinct aimed at reproduction and preservation of the tribe and specie. False love is degrading your intellect, force you to act against your will, and often makes you... suffer. You'll recognize True Love. It's preserving, no, improving your intellect and will never makes you suffer.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 15, 2015 7:59:52 GMT -6
Your first answer is a non-answer. It's an appeal to authority that answers none of the questions you quotes. Screw the dice, one way to tell if someone is awakening is if they notice non-answers like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 3:08:53 GMT -6
Exactly the reactions I expected.
Kimberly, I don't care of opinion of others about me, and I'm certainly not searching glorification. I referred to Venger Satanis as a witness of my achievements, trying to explain you I know better.
I do my best to tell you where you are on the Way and what you should work at. If you are too proud to admit you're not yet what you want or that you could be wrong, I'm afraid my words are useless.
Almost anybody can at least partially influence people. Bending inanimate objects to your will is, to say the least, more difficult. Isn't it ? I challenge you to do something "impossible" (Yes I do it, believe it or not), that is the only way to prove Awakeness. There are no less differences between an ordinary human and an Awaken one, than between a physically asleep and an ordinary human.
Now for your last question, how do I know from your writings you're not Awake ? Among others indications, an Awaken human would never write this : cocthulhu.proboards.com/thread/5683/where-satanic-witch-twenties because he has no regrets. At all ! For several reasons, I'll elaborate later if you want.
OK, please at least meditate all the above for some time, there's nothing more I can do.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 16, 2015 4:56:29 GMT -6
Foul. Universal quantifier "only".
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Post by Padowan on Apr 16, 2015 7:40:22 GMT -6
You said "I do my best to tell you where you are on the Way and what you should work at."
All you have told me is that you think I am not Awake.
"If you are too proud to admit you're not yet what you want or that you could be wrong, I'm afraid my words are useless."
My pride is not the issue here. I am questioning the "Master" which any one worth their salt would be happy to accept. Why should I accept your opinion of me at face value? Why should I not ask for verification and explanation? How am I to know where to begin working if you cannot point out to me where you see my errors and why?
I accept nothing told to me without evidence. "He that is slow to believe anything and everything is of great understanding, for belief in one false principle is the beginning of all unwisdom." Satanic Bible
My questions and answers are not for pride. I have already stated I am open to change. I am willing to be wrong. I have taken to heart your opinion on my compassion and it's potential to harm my advancement.
What I want are details. Specifics.
I am not afraid to be wrong. What I want, Yrreiht, is for you to prove me wrong.
How else can I advance? Failure breeds success.
Our conversation began, if you remember, with how you would help me with Magick. Somehow it has deviated to an accusation of pride directed towards me. I am not sure how this has helped me advance in any fashion or form.
As for my Satanic Witch quote. I did refer to my past in the thread but as a reference. I do not regret what I learned. My dealings with worthless men enabled me to see the truth in the words quoted. I posted that piece for Twenty-something women to read, hence my reason for my thread title, to save them wasted time. My intent was to share useful knowledge to younger women, not regret. Argument: invalid.
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Post by Padowan on Apr 16, 2015 16:04:46 GMT -6
I have thought further on this matter. I no longer request a reply. A response to the above is at your discretion.
Thank you for your time and thoughts. I have learned what I needed to.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 17, 2015 3:35:41 GMT -6
Ok, I'll say it -- Yrrieght, you're being a primadonna.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 8:03:13 GMT -6
All you have told me is that you think I am not Awake.
It's because Magick and Awakening are going hand in hand, and because realizing it is the first step toward true Awakening.
You're right I not answered about Magick, so about your trial, you told elsewhere you found unexpectedly a new way toward your goal, yes that's your result, that's the way it works : coincidences. So you did not so bad ! Read and make searches about Gnosis.
For the rest, it's as if you ask to someone in the city, please where is the post office, you get the answer "third street on the left", and then you reply "prove me you're right". I know the road, I went there before, but how could I prove it ?
The last thing I suggest is to trust me for a while, until you decide that yes or no that brings you progress. I will not insist any longer. Still at your disposal.
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Post by Padowan on Apr 21, 2015 10:56:03 GMT -6
One way to prove something is by leading.
Thank you for continuing to help. You might consider me difficult, and I apologize if I am, but there have been some monumental shifts in my life and my subsequent reactions have left me unsteady as I have lived a primarily un-reactionary life. I'm not myself anymore, on a multitude of levels. I feel as though I'm trying to regain my footing and I can feel an underlying force building inside that is ready to be unleashed. On whom or what I'm not sure yet. I've been inert for longer than usual.
Your suggestion is to learn about Gnosis. How about this coincidence. A few weeks ago my dreams led me to Gnosis. In my dream a female form specifically told me to learn about Gnosis while my attention was drawn to a hanging symbol on the wall. Below is the closest I have come to finding an image that bears resemblance to the embossed image in my dream, both in form and color. What is your impression? I can form my own opinions, but I want your take specifically as someone with experience in Magick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 14:43:18 GMT -6
The pentacle is the most famous and classical symbol, alas with many different meanings : science, harmony, philosophy, satanism, Magick. The circle around means femininity and protection.
Black symbol of strength, struggle, rebellion, The Void Red symbol of action (not necessarily violent), blood. Is the white square part of what you saw ? If yes, the three colors black, red and white together are symbol of alchemy, occultism and Magick.
As there are several different meanings for each part, that give many different interpretations... It's up to you to decide what is the correct one !
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