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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Sept 26, 2012 13:52:04 GMT -6
I was just thinking of that old Hermetic saying, "As above, so below" and considering my work in the microcosm and comparing it to my work in the macrocosm and just had a realization. If I am in fact, dreaming, that would mean that there might not be a difference? That my projections in the astral realms and quantum realms are as real as they need to be?
You see, I was considering my work there and thinking that it may all just be in my head... Although it has been said that I just have no idea how big my head really is... Perhaps that's the key to awakening then? To realize that in fact, there is really no difference?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 1:48:13 GMT -6
Work above, and realizations below will follow. There are some differences, but a big part is indeed in your head. How much ? I let you meditate, work and discover it by yourself.
Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn !
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Post by sin on Sept 29, 2012 4:10:19 GMT -6
Another Hermetic precept is that everything exists in the mind. This deals directly with your perception of what is 'real' vs. what you are day-dreaming to be real. You can be tackling great feats in the astral, but doing nothing to manifest it outside of that realm.
The key to levels of awakening in my own point of view, is when you can master the tool.
What are you trying to accomplish? Self-transformation? Material goals?
You can play head-games and mind tricks for the rest of your days, but you should ask yourself: Why am I doing this?
CS
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Post by cortwilliams on Sept 29, 2012 9:43:31 GMT -6
Master Cora'Sahn wrote: "This deals directly with your perception of what is 'real' vs. what you are day-dreaming to be real."
Are not day-dreams another type of perception? Why privilege one type of perception over another in this manner? There is a problem with privileging material reality over the self-created paradigm of subjective reality IMO: It lessens the power of the latter in favor of the former.
Hail Satanis! Cort
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Post by sin on Sept 29, 2012 14:00:30 GMT -6
Master Cora'Sahn wrote: "This deals directly with your perception of what is 'real' vs. what you are day-dreaming to be real." Are not day-dreams another type of perception? Why privilege one type of perception over another in this manner? There is a problem with privileging material reality over the self-created paradigm of subjective reality IMO: It lessens the power of the latter in favor of the former. Hail Satanis! Cort
A perception, yes. A personal 'reality', sure... but this doesn't pass into the material realm of tangible realness until something is manifested from it.
The power then lies in what the perception provides.
CS
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Sept 29, 2012 22:25:52 GMT -6
Well in theory, if great change is done within, it will automatically manifest itself on the outward material. Simple action and reaction base, as opposed to gnostic changes in the astral realm. However, action is the key here folks! Dreams must be manifested, otherwise it is incomplete.
(What did I just say? Had another spurt of insight and I've yet to digest it...)
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Post by sin on Sept 30, 2012 8:13:51 GMT -6
Well in theory, if great change is done within, it will automatically manifest itself on the outward material. Simple action and reaction base, as opposed to gnostic changes in the astral realm. However, action is the key here folks! Dreams must be manifested, otherwise it is incomplete. (What did I just say? Had another spurt of insight and I've yet to digest it...) Right, but you can also be making negative changes all the while convincing yourself that they are the bees knees. Dig?
Action is the key, it's peeling back layers of falsehood to discover your true will and making conscious efforts to manifest your life's desires.
CS
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Sept 30, 2012 14:36:39 GMT -6
"Peeling back falsehoods?" I've found that meditative techniques are good for that, although I would be willing to expand my arsenal... Problem is, I'm not sure what else would work? Usually I employ deep trance work and/or experimental procedures for that. If it works, it works! Can't argue with progress baby!
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Post by cortwilliams on Sept 30, 2012 17:47:39 GMT -6
Master Cora'Sahn wrote: "A perception, yes. A personal 'reality', sure... but this doesn't pass into the material realm of tangible realness until something is manifested from it."
Sure-But from a radical subjectivist standpoint, what's so great about the material realm of tangible realness? To quote from Cthulhu Cult page 51: "None of the reality we experience on a day to day basis means a damn thing. Only the limitless black essence is substantive...This diabolic onyx truth is greater than anything in our universe."
Isn't there a risk that by placing emphasis on the material realm, that we end up playing by the GAR's rules? When I read about the Elder Gods in Lovecraft and the Cthulhu Cult text, I see entities who are so far outside of what we would consider "real" in the tangible sense that I am not sure that material reality is necessarily the best place to place one's spiritual center.
Hail Satanis! Cort
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Post by cortwilliams on Sept 30, 2012 19:12:31 GMT -6
Cain Da'arnesh wrote: "Well in theory, if great change is done within, it will automatically manifest itself on the outward material. Simple action and reaction base, as opposed to gnostic changes in the astral realm. However, action is the key here folks! Dreams must be manifested, otherwise it is incomplete."
Agreed-Effective magico-religious work in the subjective sphere has an effect on the material world as well(as above, so below). Action in this sphere(directly and indirectly) also important: One aspect of the path(as I see it) being to make contact with and strengthen the lawless essence of the Elder Gods which lies within us. The other is to bring this essence into play on this plane, in order to destroy and recreate reality in accordance with the will of the aspirant and the Elder Gods whose essence he/she carries within her.
Hail Satanis! Cort
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Oct 1, 2012 0:39:12 GMT -6
Indeed! I've come to realize that the gods are both within and without and as such, may be contacted and interacted with on both fronts. For instance, I recently had a chat with my personal daemon earlier today and the day before yesterday, I also met him on the quantum realm and we talked there as well. I understand that he's trying to teach me so that I may learn and grow and therefore it is in my best interests to listen to him! The point is, the gods can be met on both fronts, ergo as above, so below! This is just another facet of the saying... I really would like to study and learn about Hermetics soon and already have a text in mind...
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Post by sin on Oct 1, 2012 7:50:14 GMT -6
If your key aim is to be a centered spiritual being, this is still a manifestation in tangible reality. I.e. you as a being have manifested a change within your core, and this will resonate outward in everything you do.
Anything worth doing carries a risk. It's rather risky to live in your own head.
CS
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Post by cortwilliams on Oct 1, 2012 11:30:52 GMT -6
Master Cora'Sahn wrote: "If your key aim is to be a centered spiritual being, this is still a manifestation in tangible reality. I.e. you as a being have manifested a change within your core, and this will resonate outward in everything you do. Anything worth doing carries a risk. It's rather risky to live in your own head."
Agreed, all choices have consequences, and therefore carry an element of risk. I would argue, however, that the existence of the Elder Gods is neither limited to nor rooted in the interior of my own head nor in tangible reality.
Hail Satanis! Cort Williams
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