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Post by jerrytheoctopus on Sept 7, 2012 22:05:35 GMT -6
I am laying in my bed when a question came into my head. I have been clinically depressed and was a ,few months ago, in a mental ward for suicidal depression. I am taking meds and am fine now. But anyways, i was lying in my bed thinking like i always do and i am new to the forum and i am curious. Anyone help me answer my question?
Ai Ai Cthulhu Fhtagn
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 8, 2012 8:03:27 GMT -6
What does suicide solve? Nothing in the end because you have to start all over from the beginning, recycled into another shell. And this time you might be suffering in some poor African village or have to grow up with abusive parents or no parents at all!
Suicide is also a selfish act, robbing loved ones of the only thing you have to give them - yourself.
If one is thinking about suicide, then one should also be thinking about what could be accomplished before dying. Consider all those things which will make the world a better place. Why not go do them, instead of feeling sorry for yourself?
One last thing, I'm sure the lesser gods of the earth would delight in feasting upon that kind of suffering - giving into it, giving up rather than struggling against and overcoming our obstacles. Do you really want to nourish the lesser gods who despise you? Fight back!
Awake!
VS
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Post by jerrytheoctopus on Sept 8, 2012 8:55:36 GMT -6
Thank you venger satanis. And fight back i shall
Ai Ai cthulhu ftagn
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Post by whatsupable on Sept 20, 2012 14:56:44 GMT -6
well i disagree on we start over when we die at least the most of us just get destroyed.
my view on taking your own life is... well since i started the fourth way i have honestly not a real clear opinion, other than: "why die if you can go forward?"
i used to be depressed a few years ago on school but they led me to the Cult and this community really helped me over it. (BTW thanks all for that don't know if i have ever said that)
but it might help if you look at what makes you depressed and if you wanna post about it we might be able to give any advice.
a phrase that one cultist ones said to me that helped me a lot was:
when live gives you lemons, make tequila shots.
ia ia Cthulhu ftagn
drekth'ak (jeroen)
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Post by cortwilliams on Sept 20, 2012 15:11:41 GMT -6
On the whole I agree with the sentiments expressed here, but just as a devil's advocate counterpoint: On the 25th of November 1970, the celebrated Japanese author Yukio Mishima and a small group of his followers marched into the Japanese self-defense forces building, took an officer hostage at sword-point, went to the roof of the building, and then gave an impassioned speech to the assembled crowd about why Japan should stop providing logistical support for the Vietnam war and return to imperial rule, then committed seppuku. Now, I don't necessarily agree with his choice or all aspects of his politics, but that man put his money where his mouth is in a rather spectacular fashion.
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Post by tiswas on Oct 13, 2012 13:43:25 GMT -6
I totally agree with I Am the Way on this question. If one commits suicide they will turn up and I know this maybe controversial but many disabled folk and mentally ill people were suicides. This punishment happened cos they did not deal with their lives but I do feel that having the meds is not helping. I know youthful angst can create all this but just let it be and strong it out. Lord Cthuhlu is to be prayed to and his strength will sort out all those bastards.
IA IA.
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Post by tiswas on Oct 13, 2012 15:10:01 GMT -6
On the whole I agree with the sentiments expressed here, but just as a devil's advocate counterpoint: On the 25th of November 1970, the celebrated Japanese author Yukio Mishima and a small group of his followers marched into the Japanese self-defense forces building, took an officer hostage at sword-point, went to the roof of the building, and then gave an impassioned speech to the assembled crowd about why Japan should stop providing logistical support for the Vietnam war and return to imperial rule, then committed seppuku. Now, I don't necessarily agree with his choice or all aspects of his politics, but that man put his money where his mouth is in a rather spectacular fashion. Alot of Japanese Generals as well as the Nazis commited suicide and in Ancient India, wives killed themselves in Sati because they wanted to be with their husbands in the hereafter, but Jerry you have clinical depression and you are young. A good sort of people around you will make you feel good indeed.
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Post by cortwilliams on Oct 16, 2012 21:49:19 GMT -6
Yeah-Another interesting example would be the Buddhist monk who set himself ablaze in protest of the Vietnamese war-Again, not encouraging suicide by any means, just pointing out the counterpoint: That not all suicides are created equal, necessarily.
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Post by sin on Oct 17, 2012 4:30:27 GMT -6
The Will to live is innate. The mental exercise of imagining a suicide scenario may be a useful tool to get yourself in order. It can however border on negative imagining and identification which just increases personal suffering. There is a distinction to be made between mental exercises that spark action, and those that just create more mental activity; that leads to nothing but getting lost in your own mental fantasies.
In Venger's example, he asks you to imagine all of the things you could do to improve your situation and then go do them. This is a healthier form of imagining/identification vs. dwelling on negative emotions and scenarios.
Depression is often fueled by imagining all the horrible things wrong in the world, your life, and dwelling on your past errs. Instead you could focus on the great things, accomplishments and getting closer to goals.
As for suicide in general, there are instances when suicide is considered to be an honorable action that has long-term payoffs (as noted by Cort's examples). In some cases it's both a selfish and selfless act. These cases are rare, but they do occur. Another example might be to alleviate suffering from a terminal illness.
Suicide as an exit strategy isn't exactly productive in lieu of all the possibilities in the future.
Today, things may seem dire and death may appear to be the only option available but in reality there are always other possibilities. One could convince themselves that they don't have any other choice, or they could make new choices.
CS
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Post by tiswas on Oct 17, 2012 14:26:09 GMT -6
I personally think Suicide is a very cowardly act, in fact a lot of people who have really terrible lives where they are born in the wrong enviroment, with the wrong body are suicides of some sort. Don't do it!
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