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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 4, 2012 12:44:13 GMT -6
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Post by mattsaturn on Sept 4, 2012 15:59:03 GMT -6
Heh thanks, there are definitely some goodies on there. I've always seen the process of organizing a workplace as similar to the internal process of getting your I's together and creating a magnetic center. They both share a theme of emerging collective awareness of mutual benefit.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 4, 2012 21:05:47 GMT -6
No prob.
Indeed, there are parallels: recognition, division of labor, organizing, and establishing authority. How do you reconcile your political beliefs with the necessity of a majority's obedience to the minority or the one? Without a leader at the top, the working masses cease production. Right?
Awake!
VS
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Post by mattsaturn on Sept 4, 2012 22:24:25 GMT -6
If you wanna get into it, workers' self-management can still involve the rule of no work = no pay. It can be a common agreement. If you're in a socialist workplace and you're stealing from the company, you're still stealing from the owners -- except now the owners are the workers themselves.
Major decisions can be voted on in occasional meetings. Day-to-day decisions or ones that require speed can be made by an elected/recallable manager. There's a similarity in structure, but again the difference is ownership. In jobs these days, workers don't take the entire corporate profits nor do they have the right to elect their managers.
In the initial USSR, which was sort of deformed by really harsh conditions, it worked as a compromise system between the worker-elected management, the union, and a representative from the central state, who would be there to remind everyone that their workplace was part of a bigger picture. Of course by the 1930s they just got rid of the democratic element and placed everything under central state control, which I don't even really consider socialism.
I absolutely believe in leadership, but that leadership should be forced to prove its worth and competence by being democratically held accountable. It's true that the masses making such decisions aren't perfect, but then again one-man dictatorship is just as (IMO more) vulnerable to some asshole getting in charge.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 7, 2012 10:12:14 GMT -6
It seems to be a delicate mixture of elements. One wrong move - an extra dash of salt or 1 less egg than what's called for - and the entire concoction is ruined. But, I suppose, the same can be said for the Work. Not enough separation or too much negativity and our way to path to enlightenment is blocked.
Awake!
VS
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