Post by kalasto on Jan 31, 2012 10:13:16 GMT -6
Hello again.
So I've been reading through the introduction to his teachings, Gurdjieff, and I have been trying to apply them as I learn more. So I had a question on anger and its importance within the fourth way.
So the other day I was at work, I work at walmart as a customer service manager, and I had someone bring in a bunch of stuff to return. Now this stuff, altogether had cost way more than I'm allowed to return. So I went to find a manger and ask them if they would okay for the return. Say i found Mrs B.
So I state the situation to B. B then ask me whats wal-marts policy.
Policy is we return pretty much anything as long as they have less than three returns without a slip. So she then ask me why haven't I done that. "well", I explained,"Lost prevention and management tells us that anything over 50 dollars has to be approved by another member of management". B then says, "well what if I wasn't here". "In that case I would have to find another member of management. ( at this point I am staring to get a feeling of anger starting to rise somewhere from one of those I's) B then says "what if their aren't any members of management".She then says, Well aren't you a manger, aren't you able to make this decision on your own. (Okay two things i guess i should note. In Louisiana, Customer service supervisors are called customer service managers. This is done because customers will respect that name manager more, I don't have any magic powers like managers and my power is very limited.)
So after she said this, I had so many conflicting emotions in me that I was just blown away. I know that she knows my position and I know she knows about the range of power I have. So then why would she be treating me like this. I also l know she know i have to listen to my superiors. Both her , assistant manager, and Lost prevention are above me. In fact Lost prevention Is even above her. So i start " Mrs B I was just following what..." She interrupted " I don't care what LP says They are not here." But they where in the store at the time. I had to do what Ms B says anyways, otherwise it would be insubordination and I would be fired. So at this point I'm like alright I'll Just go out there and take care of the person. SO I'm Like yes Ms. B ill take care of it, but before I could even reach the door she says " Are you not competent enough to make your own decision" while shes laughing.
Now my question concerning the fourth way is...... In This example I observed the anger occurring. I knew why that "I" was getting mad. And I even showed control. But "I" still felt the emotion. "I" still felt this pain and anger that kept saying " Who is this person, does she think she is better than me just because she has a higher rank within this company. She didn't even show me any respect as a human." So Is this the right processes concerning the fourth way at my point? Is it to just observe and understand the anger and other emotions while looking at the other I's in me? Is it by questioning and observing myself that i will eventually reach a higher understanding? Is there something I'm missing?
Kalasto
Hail Cthulhu
So I've been reading through the introduction to his teachings, Gurdjieff, and I have been trying to apply them as I learn more. So I had a question on anger and its importance within the fourth way.
So the other day I was at work, I work at walmart as a customer service manager, and I had someone bring in a bunch of stuff to return. Now this stuff, altogether had cost way more than I'm allowed to return. So I went to find a manger and ask them if they would okay for the return. Say i found Mrs B.
So I state the situation to B. B then ask me whats wal-marts policy.
Policy is we return pretty much anything as long as they have less than three returns without a slip. So she then ask me why haven't I done that. "well", I explained,"Lost prevention and management tells us that anything over 50 dollars has to be approved by another member of management". B then says, "well what if I wasn't here". "In that case I would have to find another member of management. ( at this point I am staring to get a feeling of anger starting to rise somewhere from one of those I's) B then says "what if their aren't any members of management".She then says, Well aren't you a manger, aren't you able to make this decision on your own. (Okay two things i guess i should note. In Louisiana, Customer service supervisors are called customer service managers. This is done because customers will respect that name manager more, I don't have any magic powers like managers and my power is very limited.)
So after she said this, I had so many conflicting emotions in me that I was just blown away. I know that she knows my position and I know she knows about the range of power I have. So then why would she be treating me like this. I also l know she know i have to listen to my superiors. Both her , assistant manager, and Lost prevention are above me. In fact Lost prevention Is even above her. So i start " Mrs B I was just following what..." She interrupted " I don't care what LP says They are not here." But they where in the store at the time. I had to do what Ms B says anyways, otherwise it would be insubordination and I would be fired. So at this point I'm like alright I'll Just go out there and take care of the person. SO I'm Like yes Ms. B ill take care of it, but before I could even reach the door she says " Are you not competent enough to make your own decision" while shes laughing.
Now my question concerning the fourth way is...... In This example I observed the anger occurring. I knew why that "I" was getting mad. And I even showed control. But "I" still felt the emotion. "I" still felt this pain and anger that kept saying " Who is this person, does she think she is better than me just because she has a higher rank within this company. She didn't even show me any respect as a human." So Is this the right processes concerning the fourth way at my point? Is it to just observe and understand the anger and other emotions while looking at the other I's in me? Is it by questioning and observing myself that i will eventually reach a higher understanding? Is there something I'm missing?
Kalasto
Hail Cthulhu