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Post by wren on Jan 20, 2012 12:33:26 GMT -6
I think that to be Awake is to realize our incompleteness, our pluralities of "I"s, to begin working on this, and to be free of the general situation of humanity. That being said, I think that it also comes in degrees, we can be more or less Awake. For myself, there is an "I" that, when asked, says it's Awake, but that can't be true to me. Awakening is the reaching of the highest potential, self-actualization, and I can tell by looking around--inside and out--that I'm a long way from that.
Awake!
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Post by wubafwez on Jan 20, 2012 15:54:41 GMT -6
To me, being awake is the realisation of ones self but not the self we believe we are, the self that sleeps in an endless painful slumber that cannot awaken in a void of emerald buried within our minds. But once this self has been awakened, and one has touched the boundaries of the void... well, they are awake. This is what i work to acheive, basing my work on the Cthulhu cult book by Master Satanis as a guideline. I follow what you call the "three stages of awakening." The first is a feeling of emptiness, no emotion, no pain, no...anything. The second is the feeling of joy, allowing the cultist to build energy and discipline. The final stage is the real awakening and the link between the conscious and unconscious selves. Personally i belive i have acheived the first two stages, but i am slipping again into my old self, and creeping back through the first stage. That is my veiw on awakening. I ask for guidance on how to acheive the final stage and get where i want to be, before i give up all togethor. Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn WUBAFWEZ
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Post by Pan on Jan 21, 2012 2:57:17 GMT -6
Lord Venger Satanis, I define being awake as being out of the dream state we were once in. with realizing that reality does not exist, it is a prison that was designed to distract us from our purpose of discovering all of our I's and to enslave us. There is several layers that need to be discovered and peeled away to bring us to our true purpose. Ia Ia Cthulhu Fatagin!! Awake!!
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Post by sin on Jan 21, 2012 9:02:16 GMT -6
Awake is merely a word used to represent a body of ideas, language is symbolic.
Being awake can be understood to mean a moment of clarity, awareness, and stripped of an imposed reality. As such, in this moment I can choose to tear asunder the false reality in favor of one of my own design with willful purpose.
In traditional philosophy, reality is said to be the state of things as they actually are, rather than they are perceived to be. Belief can change perception, but by philosophical terms cannot change reality. In occult philosophy, belief is reality. And the aim of the occultist is to change his world view, thereby changing his True Will. Forcing his own hand, to create whole worlds that do not coincide with how things actually are by the standards set by traditional logicians. The occultist sets his own standards and exists within those parameters. Things like gods, are not only real, but play a pinnacle role in his development. Gods are symbolic of his own image projected. The occultist has his finger on the pulse of his essence vs. his personality which is nothing more than the sum total of his experiences. This paradox can serve us well, when determining how things actually are, vs. how they can be which directly affects his existence. In more simple terms: You can be ordinary or you can be extraordinary. The extraordinary man leads a remarkable life, one with heightened awareness, autonomy over his impulses, and the power to shape his world. And this is how things actually are.
There is a false sense of awake, we call this the fake awake in satire. This is when you lie to yourself while repeating all the same patterns of behavior that put your to sleep. You tend to boast about all the progress you are making but through demonstrated behavior its actually a backslide.
I'd say I'm aware most of the time, but I do have moments when I've lied to myself, and this realization doesn't come until after-the-fact. I work at reducing this less and less.
CS
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Post by sin on Jan 21, 2012 9:03:22 GMT -6
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Post by jakrune on Jan 21, 2012 9:32:31 GMT -6
I can't define it as of yet, because if I've ever experienced it in the past, I wasn't thinking in these terms or even attempting to define it as such. Sometimes when I'm Doing, whether rock-climbing, or i am dazzled by the vast complexity and beauty of Nature, I am "stunned" into a silence of mind that is incapable of the constant verbal monologues. It is very liberating but rare, so far.
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Post by Kyuubi on Jan 22, 2012 20:07:59 GMT -6
I have been asking myself often about what my own state of being awake is. The process for being awake for me is something that I feel. I feel a whirlwind of thoughts and concepts in which I have never thought or learned about. For example I talked to one of my friends about a time when I felt "awake" and I had a time while in meditation where I could see this dimension as all just spheres of energy and they everything was all balled up into one concept. At this point I was in an apparatus where I could think of anything and delve as far as I wanted to go into it. It was probably one of the coolest things I have ever experienced. I just went on a long journey to where ever the hell I had gone but I could break apart things and see them entirely different that I had ever before. Then after I was done meditating I discussed with this friend the concept of mutually accepted reality. I created an analogy to my college drawing class where we learned to not generalize what we are drawing but to draw what is there. For me art and philosophy are tied directly together so I thought about how what is generalized and what is mutually accepted must, and has to be wrong. This is one of the many lessons I have learned. The bottom line is true awareness for me is questioning things and having the intelligence to take the beautiful state and to be able to enter that thought time after time. That is my state of awakeness. To answer Venger's question I feel awake only partially but I have improved a lot in the past few years that I have been learning and growing.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 24, 2012 11:19:27 GMT -6
I think that to be Awake is to realize our incompleteness, our pluralities of "I"s, to begin working on this, and to be free of the general situation of humanity. That being said, I think that it also comes in degrees, we can be more or less Awake. For myself, there is an "I" that, when asked, says it's Awake, but that can't be true to me. Awakening is the reaching of the highest potential, self-actualization, and I can tell by looking around--inside and out--that I'm a long way from that. Awake! It seems you have contradicted yourself. Indeed, look to your 'I's. Give those who have formed Magnetic Center positive reinforcement. Exalt them for their noble efforts!
For myself, I also believe (as a few of your 'I's do) that Awakening is when we have reached our highest potential, self-actualized, and manifested our true will.
By His loathsome tentacles,
VS
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 24, 2012 11:31:10 GMT -6
To me, being awake is the realisation of ones self but not the self we believe we are, the self that sleeps in an endless painful slumber that cannot awaken in a void of emerald buried within our minds. But once this self has been awakened, and one has touched the boundaries of the void... well, they are awake. This is what i work to acheive, basing my work on the Cthulhu cult book by Master Satanis as a guideline. I follow what you call the "three stages of awakening." The first is a feeling of emptiness, no emotion, no pain, no...anything. The second is the feeling of joy, allowing the cultist to build energy and discipline. The final stage is the real awakening and the link between the conscious and unconscious selves. Personally i belive i have acheived the first two stages, but i am slipping again into my old self, and creeping back through the first stage. That is my veiw on awakening. I ask for guidance on how to acheive the final stage and get where i want to be, before i give up all togethor. Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn WUBAFWEZ Colorful metaphors and flowery language can be useful, but don't let it become the entirety of your definition. Lovecraft's Mythos provides an excellent backdrop for all the Fourth Way ideas we channel into a Left Hand Path context.
Each stage is a layer which must be built upon the previous layer. Get rid of yourself, and try to remain empty as you create positive emotion - feelings liberated from negativity. While continuing to hold onto the first two layers, try to see everything for what it is, naked, unvarnished, pure. What is the self? What is the world? Why is everything the way it is? That is objective consciousness and the key to Awakening.
Awake!
VS
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 24, 2012 11:36:34 GMT -6
I can't define it as of yet, because if I've ever experienced it in the past, I wasn't thinking in these terms or even attempting to define it as such. Sometimes when I'm Doing, whether rock-climbing, or i am dazzled by the vast complexity and beauty of Nature, I am "stunned" into a silence of mind that is incapable of the constant verbal monologues. It is very liberating but rare, so far. Without over analyzing it, I'd say you experienced a moment of Awakening. Now, what if you could create such a state of heightened consciousness whenever you wanted? How valuable would that be?
Are familiar with our use of the phrase Self-Remembering?
Awake!
VS
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 24, 2012 14:11:19 GMT -6
That sounds like Awakening plus something else, like astral travel. How we experience, interpret, and use our Awakened state will be both subjective and objective - meaning that some elements are similar while others are peculiar to individual essence.
Even if we simply "draw what is there" as you put it, doesn't objectivity involve subjective insight and choices? Perhaps not at the moment of objective perception but in what comes after - the willing.
Can there be a singular philosophy or art which encompasses the totality of wisdom or creative expression, respectively? If you asked one hundred artists to draw a figure, then you will get one hundred different drawings. Certainly perspective is one such difference, style is another, and subjective understanding a third. We have all that, but yet no generalization or mutual acceptance of what is being perceived. Everyone sees their own truth.
Sometimes we must question our own questions.
Intelligence is one of three. Don't forget about the Emotional and Physical Centers, too.
Awake!
VS
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