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Post by Zohzst, Ra T’zahr on Dec 2, 2011 1:04:00 GMT -6
I've started looking into necromancy and wanted to know if anyone else was into it. say summoning Azael the angel of death or summoning any of your ancestors, anyway it interests me and I would like to know more
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Post by sin on Dec 2, 2011 7:15:58 GMT -6
Necromancy is a wide field, is there anything in particular you would like to know? Learn?
CS
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Post by Zohzst, Ra T’zahr on Dec 2, 2011 8:26:40 GMT -6
I currently have a copy of the necromantic ritual book, and I would like to know a website dedicated to necromancy just as this one with cthulhu, i've been to westgate but it really din't provide a good description do you know any good websites cora?
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Post by sin on Dec 2, 2011 9:27:48 GMT -6
Is this the book? www.amazon.com/Necromantic-Ritual-Book-Leilah-Wendell/dp/0944087035
From the first review, it seems to lean more towards Memento Moritum than Necromancy (which by very definition is Divination using the Dead).
See: www.scribd.com/doc/62482184/Memento-Moritum
For further explanation of this.
I know of no single website that can cover the topic properly. Perhaps if you can give me some idea of what you are trying to accomplish, I can give you some resources or instruction?
I'm often contacted about Necromancy, the most common goal is to achieve some type of Gnosis by communing with the dead (it parallels Ancestor Worship).
Is this your goal?
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Post by Zohzst, Ra T’zahr on Dec 2, 2011 10:10:14 GMT -6
somewhat this is my goal I do want to talk to my ancestors and I've heard that by communing with the dead you can learn much information about the past or future. and yes that was the book.
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Post by sin on Dec 2, 2011 10:36:02 GMT -6
Do you have an attraction to a specific culture? The reason I ask, is each culture handles it a bit differently. Perhaps you may even want to learn how your ancestors practiced it (culturally).
See: www.paganspace.net/forum/topics/ancestor-worship
Ancestor Worship (and Necromancy) in the United States is a conglomerate of practices brought over from immigrants, as well as modernized.
For example, the Aghori Hindus practiced it by taking in the Gnosis of their ancestors in ritual and canabalized the corpse. This practice was sacred and the entire family participated. It was thought that by eating the flesh, you take into yourself the memory (and by proxy wisdom) of the fallen. This can be elders who die of old age, or family members who fell subject to accident or illness. In any case, the 'spirit' of the family is returned to the pool. Unfortunately, due to Kuru disease, its been banned in places like New Guinea but it is still in practice (in private sects, underground) to maintain the tradition.
Obviously, eating your dead Granny isn't going to fly here in the U.S. or by most modern people but some form of it can be practiced symbolically to affect the psyche.
Neopagans dabble with scrying, Ouija, or Urban-Shamanic practices (such as family regression or spirit journeying). You can check your local book store for a number of modern New Agey type books that outline the basics.
Essentially, when you are doing is a form of self-hypnosis (without de-mystifying it too much for you). To commune with ancestors you don't even know you have, its more difficult as you have to focus a lot of time and attention in 'imagining' them, this is better suited for a guided meditation (that's my recommendation anyway).
If you want to work with the book you have, that's perfectly fine. By the description it sounds as if the author is providing some basic tools for communing with what she refers to as 'Death Energy'.
As human beings we use energy, some people see this as we are energy ourselves. When we die, they believe that energy returns to the pool (refer to the Laws of Thermodynamics), so it never ceases to exist. Even theoretically speaking, separating the 'dead' from that pool would be difficult, but not impossible. It's all visualization technique.
There are some very basic rituals you can use to experiment. You can even call to dead celebrities or role-models. Much like occultists tap into the A:O using similar techniques.
Is there any particular ritual in the book you feel drawn to? Can you outline it for me?
CS
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Post by Zohzst, Ra T’zahr on Dec 2, 2011 11:59:34 GMT -6
i Haven't gotten into any that are interested but i'll take a look at the site and re through the book and contact yo again thanks for the help Cora
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Post by sin on Dec 2, 2011 14:22:29 GMT -6
When you do, just update this thread and I'll come back to it.
It's what I'm here for.
CS
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Post by Zohzst, Ra T’zahr on Dec 6, 2011 11:57:17 GMT -6
The first ritual I've read about that I've taken interest in is contacting Azrael through going to a charged place and making a altar of earth with lighted candles and laying in the death position. have you ever tried it?
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Post by sin on Dec 6, 2011 12:14:45 GMT -6
Not specifically this ritual, but it sounds like something similar I've done in the past. I'll participate in local workshops, groups, etc. For the exposure, new things, techniques and such. Some of its hoakie and I laugh my ass off, but some of it ends up useful stuff.
I'm a take what you need kind of gal.
There was one particular ritual in which I was buried in dry leaves in a grove, alleged to have 'activity'. It was a Shamanic ritual, regression work. I liked it, for its psychological affects. The effect? I didn't see any manifestations I was promised. Mentally, it takes a lot of work to manifest things in the form of hallucinations for me. Some people can do it with ease.
In another ritual, done in-doors, (via Reclaiming Tradition) a Norse aesthetic was used to take me on a mental journey. The Reclaiming Tradition reconstructs old myths and legends, using the paradigm of the tradition to do self-work as well. In this particular 'vision' I met a Lizard man. He looked like a distinguished alligator, but he brought me to an empty room. The event leader claims, that I wasn't there seeking to discover anything new, but to fine-tune things I already knew. Makes sense, psychologically speaking, in practical theory I was basically brought into a guided lucid dream through layering meditations.
You just have to experiment with method before you discover what really works for you.
Give it a whirl, chart your results.
CS
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Post by Zohzst, Ra T’zahr on Dec 7, 2011 10:08:42 GMT -6
Thanks, sounds interesting, I'll be sure to tell you my results with the ritual when I have time to do it.
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Post by aleister on Dec 11, 2011 2:45:47 GMT -6
Um, I know that this is Jorath's thread and I don't mean to interrupt a conversation but do you anything about contacting someone who you actually knew in life? (she died two years ago if this changes anything). Thanks and if Im interrupting just say so and I'll back off.
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Post by sin on Dec 11, 2011 6:53:28 GMT -6
Aleister, do you have any personal experience with making spirit boards, or scrying? Personally, I prefer scrying but I've worked with others with their spirit boards. I find these two methods to produce the best results.
Let me know, and you can PM me and I'll walk you through it.
CS
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Post by sorcererofshadows on Dec 17, 2011 0:20:42 GMT -6
I second Cora's scying idea. Also I'm not sure how anybody will take it but Michelle Belanger's Walking the Twilight path and Christian Day's Witches book of the dead both deal with operative Necromantic magick. Michelle's is more shamanistic and Christian's is a bit more standard
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Post by aaaaaaaaaaaBBBBBBBBC on Jan 12, 2012 18:15:10 GMT -6
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Post by nephilim on Jan 15, 2012 19:34:11 GMT -6
As far as summoning Azazel, EA Koetting has a new book being released by Nephilim Press called "The Book of Azazel." There is also a book on necromancy in the works from the same publisher.
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