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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Aug 21, 2011 13:37:33 GMT -6
As many of you know, my lifestyle choice is somewhat unorthodox. I live to serve my wife/mistress and was just wondering about intentional suffering and what that means to me. I mean, I like it when she whips me as I have a masochistic side. Since I enjoy it, is it really suffering? This is literally a triple edged sword here. On one hand, I like it when she tortures me. On the other, once the endorphins have worn off, it really hurts! And then, there are times like right now when she's sick and not really up to beating me, so I'm Jonesing for a good whooping right now.
So in any case, is that really intentional suffering? Should I perhaps abstain from getting beat for a bit so that I appreciate what I really have as well as become aware of it's intrinsic value? Thoughts?
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Post by boksmutant on Aug 21, 2011 16:24:30 GMT -6
Totally, take some time to recognize the suffering of a break from your lashings. Then get back to it:)
Awake!
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Post by dudetyson on Aug 21, 2011 19:13:33 GMT -6
Intentional suffering, as far as I understand it, has a lot to do with facing life bravely. You're going to suffer no matter what. Certain steps you take can alleviate that now and then, but not perfectly, and not forever.
Are you going to let your life be determined by which path is the least uncomfortable? Or are you going to bite the bullet, and do what you believe in despite the fact that it involves pain? Intentional suffering, to me, is about refusing to have your mind made up by the little things, and instead respecting your willpower, your overcoming, as the center of your life.
I get what you're saying about the triple-edged sword...normally masochism is intentional suffering, but if you've started to get off on it, maybe a break from it is the more bitter thing.
Lately I've been thinking that life is a rather serious thing, and I have difficulty reconciling levity with sincerity.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 21, 2011 21:55:22 GMT -6
Good question. A little difficult for me wrap my head around it.
Is it really suffering? Obviously, you enjoy it. But, on the other hand, it hurts and pain is suffering... Is it intentional? Well, you are intent on getting beaten, right?
Hmmm, I don't know. But I agree with what I think Dude Tyson is saying - what the Cult of Cthulhu names intentional suffering is slightly different than masochism. Intentional suffering should be doing the work in order to reap the reward.
Have you checked the CoC terminology?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Aug 21, 2011 22:53:02 GMT -6
Well while that may be so, there's always the point I've termed "aftershocks" when I just realize what has happened and it really hurts! You have to understand that while getting beaten, my mind is in subspace and I'm enjoying it. However, after the fact, it isn't very comfortable. This thought occurred to me as I'm starting to get more hardcore with these things right now. The other day, she burned a cigarette on me and instead of jumping away, I only stood there and moaned in ecstasy. Though once I came down, IT HURT REALLY BAD!
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Post by sin on Aug 22, 2011 8:03:07 GMT -6
Funny, as a kinkster myself I find the psychological aspects are misunderstood. You control your wife, as the masochist...not the other way around. Is it really suffering if you enjoy it? I don't think so. Is there a physical pain that must be endured? Certainly. I sit in a chair, let some guy interrogate me and electrocute me - for fun, because I enjoy it. I don't consider this suffering, and I certainly don't consider this giving up control. I don't use safe words or any of that bullshit. It's all body communication, I decide when I've had enough - not the other way around. This is an arousing activity, not something I suffer. I seek this activity. I would say it sounds similar to your own lifestyle Donnie. I have a paper on the Marquis De Sade, you might be interested in reading. I found this paper necessary to understand the pathology of the Marquis, and what makes up the Sado-masochist relationship. www.scribd.com/doc/32074942/De-sadeEven the most disciplined, hard-core masters, know they are at the service of their slaves. I'm talkin old skool discipline, not this watered-down b.s. now called 'The Lifestyle', psh lol Should you abstain? For what purpose? To teach you actual suffering? To what end? We are human, material beings, and we suffer by merely being alive. We should seize any opportunity for pleasure by the balls, and as often as possible. Anyway, that's my .02, rinse and repeat. **real working electric chair, by Nazi Interrogator Sir Dale
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Aug 22, 2011 11:23:51 GMT -6
Electric chair? Wow! I've been interested in electro-play for some time now, though that somehow never entered my mind... In any case, I live it every day! But as I've said before, if it works for you, go with it! If not, just throw it out and do something different. I have that philosophy on a lot of things, though I guess you're on to something Cora. I mean, it's not really suffering if I enjoy it, yet I always suffer the "aftershocks" as well... Yet at the same time, there is something to be said for pushing your limits in anything, am I right?
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Post by sin on Aug 22, 2011 11:28:52 GMT -6
Believe me when I say, after a bout of electro-shock, I have to deal with some 'suffering' in terms of the marks it leaves on my body and such. Vain as I am, the means outweighs the pride, lol.
I would say, yes. Dissolve boundaries, see where it takes you!
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Aug 22, 2011 19:41:47 GMT -6
Good point! Little update for ya'll, instead of whipping me, my wife just drips candle wax on my body since she doesn't have the strength to beat my ass right now... Though she says she wants to change to colored votive candles. I advised her to get them burning for an hour or two before dripping them on me as that will give her plenty of wax to torture me with... (Did I say that out loud?)
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Post by omera on Aug 23, 2011 5:49:29 GMT -6
I want to figure out an efficient way to direct my recent suffering and out-of-nowhere stress (I think its alchemical, seeing I'm never like that. The old ones are working my transcension slowly, but I think I could help by directing my suffering) to achieve alchemical transformation into something better.
The issue is that the stress is heavily directed at giving me a bad self image based on my self consciousness and social awkwardness. Yesterday it got to the point of causing soreness, anger, loss of appetite, etc. I still feel its somehow alchemical.
I've been thinking about using hot candle wax as a sort of pain gnosis. I don't know how painful it'd need to be for good gnosis though. My pain threshold is high.
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Post by sin on Aug 23, 2011 16:05:03 GMT -6
Check the blogs on the Social Network, I have a Self-immolation thread.
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Post by omera on Aug 23, 2011 16:42:16 GMT -6
Check the blogs on the Social Network, I have a Self-immolation thread. That sounds incredibly risky. I'll read it though.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 24, 2011 10:54:12 GMT -6
I want to figure out an efficient way to direct my recent suffering and out-of-nowhere stress (I think its alchemical, seeing I'm never like that. The old ones are working my transcension slowly, but I think I could help by directing my suffering) to achieve alchemical transformation into something better. The issue is that the stress is heavily directed at giving me a bad self image based on my self consciousness and social awkwardness. Yesterday it got to the point of causing soreness, anger, loss of appetite, etc. I still feel its somehow alchemical. I've been thinking about using hot candle wax as a sort of pain gnosis. I don't know how painful it'd need to be for good gnosis though. My pain threshold is high. Go back to the basics. Think practical. Take alchemy out of the equation. Yes, suffering can be directed. That is the essence of intentional suffering.
Here are some examples...
1. Want better grades? Study harder.
2. Want more dates? Approach more people with dating potential.
3. Want to be in better shape? Eat healthier and exercise more.
4. Want to be less tired during the day? Sleep more at night.
5. Want more time in the day for A, B, and C? Then sacrifice X, Y, and Z which you happen to find less fulfilling.
6. Want a raise or promotion? Put in more time and effort at work.
7. Want to remember yourself more? Practice Self-Remembering.
Don't over-think it. You're going to suffer either way, so you might as well use that suffering in order to get something you really want.
Awake!
VS
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Post by sin on Aug 24, 2011 13:20:25 GMT -6
Amen to that.
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Post by omera on Aug 24, 2011 15:06:39 GMT -6
1. Want better grades? Study harder.
2. Want more dates? Approach more people with dating potential.
3. Want to be in better shape? Eat healthier and exercise more.
4. Want to be less tired during the day? Sleep more at night.
5. Want more time in the day for A, B, and C? Then sacrifice X, Y, and Z which you happen to find less fulfilling.
6. Want a raise or promotion? Put in more time and effort at work.
7. Want to remember yourself more? Practice Self-Remembering.Don't over-think it. You're going to suffer either way, so you might as well use that suffering in order to get something you really want. Awake! VS [/b] [/color][/quote] I'll keep those in mind. :3
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