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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 23, 2011 0:54:01 GMT -6
Loki Dreaming here,
I am still around.
How about a Maori name or a Maori or Cthulhu Mythos hybrid name?
Out of the four deities mentioned, Dagon the one I am relating to the most at the moment.
Agree outside work will be an important part of the work.
Will be getting the COC pendant as a symbol of power hopefully in two weeks time (when my mastercard debit card gets to me.
Would like a meeting online with you two in the weekend sometine, so what time is good for both of you? and organise this via PM?
LD
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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 23, 2011 23:35:27 GMT -6
Emrys and Ny'obstaresh,
Sent you an invite via yahoo messenger, hope when can all set up a time to meet up online
LD
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Aug 24, 2011 2:27:20 GMT -6
I want to avoid using any Maori mythology until we fully understand it and how it works within the Cthulhu Paradigm. Also, there is a chance that it will seem like a gimmick, and, of course, we all know how touchy the Maori can be about their culture being 'exploited'. No, we need something more ambiguous.
Weekend's no good for me this week. Can do week days and some nights. Usually the later the better.
Invite accepted.
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 24, 2011 4:27:08 GMT -6
understand where you are coming from.
It is no biggie, if we want to work with it then we keep it in house.
Personally, I don't see all the need for all the crossing of i's and t's as if we do keep on checking our t's and i's and looking over our shoulders all time, then we just wating valuable energy ( all contexts) and in turn might lose our forward momentum.
I know..I know...go carefully...qucik and efficinet (quoting Ny'obstaresh)
LD
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Post by Kai'zen on Aug 25, 2011 23:37:55 GMT -6
Wrote up a nice long reply, then my browser crashed. I like whats going on here, I asked Venger a few questions about the "formal" side of things (rules, requirements for Grottoes etc.) and I'm fairly happy with his reply.
To be honest I think that a group working would be an ideal way to get this grotto off to a start. But yeah, locational issues and such. I'm using an i-caf so brevity is of the essence right now, but here's my thoughts.
-We should write a book, produce some art or something else creative -Lets meet up some time -Dagon is a more-real (or less real) Deity than others, but unless anyone has an interest in Philistine religion then I don't think we should bother with that -I'm getting a Cthulhu head amulet made of greenstone -The maori trace their lineage back to their gods (just thought it was interesting) -Ia Cthulhu!
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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 27, 2011 1:18:22 GMT -6
That is also what I want to get long term:- pendant of cthulhu and Kort'thalisa in greenstone (jade).
Agree that we should meet up.
LD
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Post by Kai'zen on Aug 28, 2011 20:49:37 GMT -6
If you read the description of the stone used to carve the cthulhu idols in "The Call of Cthulhu" it sounds quite a lot like the higher quality greenstone, dark green, gold flecks, irridescent flecks...
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Aug 29, 2011 16:23:19 GMT -6
This had occured to me also I'd love to get a small Cthulhu idol made out of greenstone, but the price makes it somewhat prohibitive. I also have a penchant for the likes of serpentine - I think it would make fabulous Cthulhu statuettes. I'm piecing together some rituals for the grotto as we speak. Thus far very shamanic in theme, with the likes of rattles, drums, bones, entheogens, chanting, etc. being included generously. I will post them when they're near enough to completion to allow for revelation. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by Kai'zen on Aug 30, 2011 20:01:40 GMT -6
I wrote up a little dogma based on what we have so far, it's not intended as a numerological system, the numbers just help me work it out. I'd like some opinions on it please brothers.
Dagon is the first in the house of Cthulhu, the number of the father and the patriarchal religions. He is the priest of the Dread one, just as Cthulhu is the priest of the idiot god. He is the patriarch and the Master of hierarchies and dark inheritances. Dagon loves gold, it is the gift he gives, as such he is a god of wealth, he is also the patron of transformations, an age old shamanic practice popular with the Norse Odinnians. Invoke Dagon if you want, wealth, status, power, he manifests your birthright. As a spiritual figure he is the shapeshifter, transforming those who carry his seed into the likeness of their deep one heritage.
The second is Shub-Niggurath, the Dual-Entity, represented by the horns of the goat. I imagine Shub-Niggurath as being like the Rabbinical Adam. Though some Rabbi's believe Lilith "was made of filth", others wrote that Adam was first created as a dual entity joined at the back, both lilith and adam were as one body, seperated at a later time, this is how I envision Shub-Niggurath. A merged body of the Black Goat and the Dark Mother. Shub-Niggurath is dualism, not in a Black/White sense, but in the blending of the two. Locked in their eternal embrace the Black Goat endlessly sires the Thousand Dark Young. Shub-Niggurath is to me the merging of Dualisms. Invoke Shub-Niggurath to obtain a sexual partner, reconcile with another, perform a sexual working. As a spiritual figure Shub-Niggurath is the Generative force, neither male nor female, but the essence of both.
Tsathoggua is the Third, he breaks illusions of Dualism and emobodies spectrum! N'kai is a city of many colors for those with eyes to see! In prehistoric spain, shaman would find cave systems and travel deep into them, where they would stay and perform spiritual journeys, after a certain amount of sensory deprivation they would eventually begin to see lights and colors, these they would paint upon the walls of the caves, many of these paintings still exist today, and the experience has been reproduced countless time in a lab environment. They opened the gates of N'kai and were given the eyes of the Sleeper! Ia! Invoke Tsathoggua when you wish to undertake a spiritual journey, or for clarity of thought! He is a time-traveler and a keeper of secrets, enter his city and DREAM! Tsathoggua is the god of the Astral Journey!
Yog-Sothoth is the fourth, completing the house of Cthulhu, he is the Sky God, the all-things coming-to-one. He is all things coming to an end in one fell swoop! We speak with him on the mountain tops, amidst the pillars of stone, the lightning flash is his voice, the endless sea of stars is his prison. In all his infinity, he is the patron of sorcery, Yog-Sothoth is a changer of things! He opens gates! Invoke Yog-Sothoth if you want to achieve states of altered conciousness or future sight, if you want to apprehend unspeakable things or obtain scholarly knowledge.
There it is, ready for criticism!
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Post by Kai'zen on Aug 30, 2011 20:06:14 GMT -6
This had occured to me also I'd love to get a small Cthulhu idol made out of greenstone, but the price makes it somewhat prohibitive. I also have a penchant for the likes of serpentine - I think it would make fabulous Cthulhu statuettes. I'm piecing together some rituals for the grotto as we speak. Thus far very shamanic in theme, with the likes of rattles, drums, bones, entheogens, chanting, etc. being included generously. I will post them when they're near enough to completion to allow for revelation. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn! We need to find a sculptor! Cost aside the sheer difficulty in obtaining a high-grade piece of greenstone of decent size at all! The Iwi tend to keep a pretty tight hold on any they've got. Serpentine would be a lot more do-able, if we could find someone to work it, even that would cost a killing though, perhaps when we get established as a good-sized grotto we'll buy one to dance around! lol
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Sept 1, 2011 17:01:26 GMT -6
Thanks, Rezal. I will review your notes presently and return them with any queries and additions.
I've completed a basic ritual for the empowerment and exaltation of the Great Old Ones. This can be performed solitary or in a group setting. I'd like to see it included in most other rituals as part of the opening sequence, as it's a fairly important part of what we do, and somewhat more appropriate than traditional clearings and banishments (which I feel is rarely appropriate when working with the Great Old Ones). It is meant to be performed outdoors, but with a little tweaking it can easily be performed in ones temple.
Stand beneath the stars in a lonely place away from people. Breath deeply and achieve gnosis. Choose a place in the night sky with few visible stars and focus all of your attention on it. When you have formed an intimate connection with this one angle/direction of space, raise your arms, fingers pointing upward and on angle towards the chosen focal point and pronounce the following invocation : Belief is reality!
All praises unto you, Dark Gods of the Void, whose will strengthens and sustains us, and who nurture our consciousness in the shadows between unwholesome angles! All praises unto you, Dark Gods of the Ether, whose will strengthens and sustains us, and who nurture our minds beneath the sickly luminescence of distant constellations! All praises unto you, Dark Gods of the Earth, whose will strengthens and sustains us, and who nurture our flesh in the slimy and filthy places of the Land!
Move to a kneeling position, arms now outstretched Y-shaped, and begin the exaltation. Ever, praises unto Azathoth - The Blind Idiot at the centre of All! To Yog-Sothoth - The All-One, First Gate and Only Key! To Nyarlathotep - The Crawling Chaos, Soul and Messenger of the Ancient Ones! Behold, the Three are One! But the Five arise from Their formless loins and swarm forth with Their hordes, in crushing, hedonistic revelry. Ever, praises unto the Great Old Ones! To Cthulhu - He who lies Dead but Dreaming in the nighted depths of R'lyeh! To Shub-Niggurath - Great Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young! To Tsathoggua - The Hungry Sleeper of N'kai! To Dagon - Sire of the Deep Ones, Lord of the Oceans! To Yig - Eternal Serpent-Father coiled in the Sands of Time! And to all Dark Gods, who rush and scream between the stars! Ia! Ia!
Fold your hands over your chest, the left wrist crossing over the right. The empowerment. Just as our ebon Gods nurture and guide us, so too must we feed them. We feed them with anger, with hatred, with desire. Great masters of the Other Side, take our darknesses and sate yourselves on the abundance thereof! For as our strength grows, so does Yours. And as Your strength grows, so too do the Barriers weaken! Each act of Magick brings empowerment, that we may exalt ourselves above the very stars that hinder our Lords and usher in a stranger Aeon! Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn! Yog-Sothoth, Keeper of the Gate, open the way and illuminate our path with globes of iridiscent hellfire that we may act in alignment with Your will! The ravenous Darkness gibbers to be sated, and so it shall be fed the souls and sanity of those who would oppose us! When the Light has been snuffed, the inner power that is Them shall reign supreme.
Belief is Reality!
It is now appropriate to make sacrifices, close the ritual, move on to further rites, or whatever has been planned.
Personally, I'd like to see this accompanied bloodletting - one small incision for each of the eight Great Old Ones named in the rite. A new incision being made just above or below where the original for that specific God was made. But I didn't want to include that without consulting you guys. I welcome comments, additions, etc.
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by sin on Sept 2, 2011 9:12:07 GMT -6
I wanted to remind you that we have propaganda ready for your dissemination. Here are some examples of how I propagate. 1. Inside public restroom stalls 2. tucked into library books, and in Lovecraft books in book-sellers 3. Local music store billboards 4. Any/all occult shops 5. Community billboards These are my primary resources for getting grotto members. I'm holding off until mid-September, because I usually get such an overwhelming response, that I have to narrow it down. I usually meet folks in a public place, for coffee or a drink. The planning goes on from there. Materials reading for your printing here: cultofcthulhu.wall.fm/blogs/247
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Post by Kai'zen on Sept 3, 2011 18:38:22 GMT -6
Thanks Cora, I'm going to print off a heap of them for while I'm up here in Wellington.
Ny'Obstaresh, very nice piece of ritual there, I'll splam up my next piece of random dogmatist notetaking soon.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Sept 5, 2011 21:22:38 GMT -6
Full outline of aforementioned Affirmation Ritual..... After waking, the Cultist should cleanse themselves and make their way outside barefoot. Take a few minutes to take in all the aspects of your surroundings. Feel the grass underfoot and the breeze on your skin, smell the plants and trees and soil, listen for birds and insects... When one has established an appropriate level of gnosis, one should stretch the back and limbs and proceed to stand with feet together with your back to the sun. With your arms hanging by your sides, interlock your fingers, palms facing upward, and lift the hands up from waist height in an action resembling scooping water from a river or lake. Lift the hands, and at mouth-level twist the hands around so that they are now facing outward and continue to raise your arms until your hands are held palms-up and thumbs out from you, maintaining interlocked fingers all the while. As you lift your hands, inhale deeply through the nose, filling the lungs to full capacity and releasing the breath through the mouth as the arms are brought back down in a reversal of their ascension. When the hands are back at waist-height, begin to inhale and move your arms, fingers interlocked, around you in an anticlockwise direction.Again, pause when your hands are holding their position above your head, and exhale as you complete the circle bringing them down to your waist again. Repeat this set of movements four times. Now, either sitting or standing, one should recite the following affirmation, saying it both to oneself and to the earth and sky around. The recitation should be accompanied by the symbolic act of donning a specific piece of jewellery, such as ones Cthulhu pendant. I have returned from the depths of the Dreamlands! A wiser man in knowledge and cunning, Faithful agent of Yog-Sothoth! I awaken the more I dream. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn! The All-One lurks on the threshold of our consciousness and grants one to trespass in strange space and time, It is to Yog-Sothoth that I offer my praises and beg service in the Shadow Vacuum of the Dark Stars. The agents of the Great Old Ones shall rise triumphant above the Alignments, and to loathsome splendour will we restore the fallen kingdom, and the Great Old Ones will be exalted above the very Stars. Ia! Shub-Niggurath! Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young! From wells of night to the gulfs of space, and from the gulfs of space to the wells of night, Ever our praises to Yog-Sothoth, to Tsathoggua, Dagon and Shub-Niggurath! The Old Ones were, the Old Ones are, and the Old Ones shall be! Ia! Ia!
Allow for a few moments of reflection. Feel the peace that comes from having a true connection with your Gods. It is now appropriate to move on to the next phase of ritual, if there is one planned, or alternatively simply shake out the limbs, briefly stretch again and simply get on with the day/night. The breathing technique used is one from some dim point in my past. I can't remember where I found it or where it's from, but it's always worked well for me as a simple focusing and energy-raising technique. Emrys, here are your notes returned with a few additions for discussion/incorporation, in italics, obviously. Dagon is the first in the house of Cthulhu, the number of the father and the patriarchal religions. He is the priest of the Dread one, just as Cthulhu is the priest of the idiot god. He is the patriarch and the Master of hierarchies and dark inheritances. Dagon loves gold, it is the gift he gives, as such he is a god of wealth, he is also the patron of transformations, an age old shamanic practice popular with the Norse Odinnians. Invoke Dagon if you want, wealth, status, power, he manifests your birthright. As a spiritual figure he is the shapeshifter, transforming those who carry his seed into the likeness of their deep one heritage. Dagon, as a disciple of Cthulhu, transformed into a Deity through following the dark teachings of Cthulhu (hence early Canaanite depictions as half-man, half-fish ). In a sense, Dagon was the first Deep One, but far greater in size and power for his worship and alliance with Cthulhu . The second is Shub-Niggurath, the Dual-Entity, represented by the horns of the goat. I imagine Shub-Niggurath as being like the Rabbinical Adam. Though some Rabbi's believe Lilith "was made of filth", others wrote that Adam was first created as a dual entity joined at the back, both lilith and adam were as one body, seperated at a later time, this is how I envision Shub-Niggurath. A merged body of the Black Goat and the Dark Mother. Shub-Niggurath is dualism, not in a Black/White sense, but in the blending of the two. Locked in their eternal embrace the Black Goat endlessly sires the Thousand Dark Young. Shub-Niggurath is to me the merging of Dualisms. Invoke Shub-Niggurath to obtain a sexual partner, reconcile with another, perform a sexual working. As a spiritual figure Shub-Niggurath is the Generative force, neither male nor female, but the essence of both. Shub-Niggurath is also for protection and guidance when exploring the darker aspects of sexuality and ma/paternity. Also, glamour magick comes within the cadence of the prolific goat. Also in rites to promote health, fertility, vitality and longevity. Tsathoggua is the Third, he breaks illusions of Dualism and emobodies spectrum! N'kai is a city of many colors for those with eyes to see! In prehistoric spain, shaman would find cave systems and travel deep into them, where they would stay and perform spiritual journeys, after a certain amount of sensory deprivation they would eventually begin to see lights and colors, these they would paint upon the walls of the caves, many of these paintings still exist today, and the experience has been reproduced countless time in a lab environment. They opened the gates of N'kai and were given the eyes of the Sleeper! Ia! Invoke Tsathoggua when you wish to undertake a spiritual journey, or for clarity of thought! He is a time-traveler and a keeper of secrets, enter his city and DREAM! Tsathoggua is the god of the Astral Journey! I would say that Tsathoggua lords over astral journeying as far as scrying goes, using gems/black mirror/liquid etc. where I would place the likes of "spirit journeys" and O.O.B.E.'s in the dominion of Yog-Sothoth. Consider the use of a cauldron or basin filled with the" ichor of the Formless Spawn" as a scrying surface appropriate to Tsathoggua. Yog-Sothoth is the fourth, completing the house of Cthulhu, he is the Sky God, the all-things coming-to-one. He is all things coming to an end in one fell swoop! But it must always be kept in mind that when something is destroyed, another thing is created. This vital to the definition of His nature. We speak with him on the mountain tops, amidst the pillars of stone, the lightning flash is his voice, the endless sea of stars is his prison/ form. In all his infinity, he is the patron of sorcery, Yog-Sothoth is a changer of things! He opens gates! Invoke Yog-Sothoth if you want to achieve states of altered conciousness or future sight, if you want to apprehend (comprehend?) unspeakable things or obtain scholarly knowledge. Astral/dimensional travel also within the dominion of Yog-Sothoth. Exaltation of Yog-Sothoth is also indicated as being vital to Necromancy (see 'Charles Dexter Ward'). Also, it has been made clear by Lovecraft that Yog-Sothoth is able to impregnate humans - this has manypotential literal and allegorical applications.Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by Kai'zen on Sept 6, 2011 22:21:03 GMT -6
I like what you added to that Ny'Obstaresh, I agree with the demarcation line between Yog-Sothoth and Tsathoggua with regards to travel journey type workings. I came up with a little something around the idea of Tsathogguan sight, which I may toy with a little more beofre sharing.
I'll work out some more notes and things, I've been a little short on time lately, but I have a week off coming up so I'll get down to it then, I wrote a bit of an essay too, which I may butcher and put on the social network.
Keep going brothers, we're getting very close...
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Post by aracon on Jun 8, 2012 4:34:32 GMT -6
@ Loki, you know where I am - and you know that article is awaiting... LOL
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