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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 11, 2011 23:05:21 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 6:01:20 GMT -6
Highly motivating ! I'll read it again when I will need a boost of will.
"Very soon, the Cult of Cthulhu will stake its claim in Gnostic or Esoteric Christianity. Hail the tentacled cross!"
Hem, maybe because Christianity harmed me in the past and wasted my youth (that's not little harm), I'm not convinced by this new development. Sure it was ordinary Christianity, but...
Don't worry, be happy, make efforts !
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Post by darkprism on Jul 12, 2011 6:18:18 GMT -6
This came at a good time for me. A much needed motivator and reminder to get back to Work! Have been flirting with apathy and sleep lately but also with general mundane things approached as I would normally have done prior to the Work as an experiment of sorts. I've found it is all too easy to shut the blinds and fall back to sleep but if effort has been put in and the seeds have been sown, it isn't nearly as hard to build upon that foundation and begin the Work again. Super efforts are needed on a consistent basis. To waste time and life in favor of a life willed and conscious is a scary proposition once you've had a glimpse of waking life.
Thankyou for taking the time to write this fine piece.
Hail Satanis!
Dark Prism
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Post by ophiuchus on Jul 12, 2011 9:49:20 GMT -6
That was a lot more coherent than the beginning made it sound like it'd be. A fantastic and definitive article on the Great Work. I'm probably going to need to read the thing over again to make sure I absorbed all of it-- and that's definitely a good thing.
P.S.- Lovecraft meets esoteric Christianity? This is going to be fun.
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Post by dudetyson on Jul 12, 2011 16:28:08 GMT -6
Holy shit, this is one of the best single essays outside of your bibles I've read. It's the hard core beneath magic: you're not gonna be able to change much with your lil thought-waves until you are yourself recreated on a stronger, more consciously-created and consistent basis.
I'm really happy to see you make the call for in-person disciples. Maybe someday I will oblige.
The idea that moderate goals are insufficient really resonated with me. Can't wait to see what you do with the Gnostics.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 12, 2011 20:27:36 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
I'm very glad "To Will the Work" resonated with all of you. I wanted to write something bigger and weightier for some time.
Let's face it, Christianity has more influence than Lovecraft's Mythos. So why not use it for our own ends? Especially considering its roots can easily be linked to the Fourth Way. The Gospels are filled with Christ's esoteric teaching. As for gnosticism, that type of Christianity, focusing on the Demiurge, the illusions of materialism, and the hidden Godhood of man is right out of the Cthulhu Cult's playbook. Why not capitalize on it?
Motivating and reminding is what I'm here for. Your illustration is a good one. When we draw the blinds, what can we conclude but that sleep is welcome? Opening the blinds prepares us to get out of bed even if we don't always feel like waking up. Preparation is key.
A wasted life is a scary proposition!
Do you mean the poetry at the start or the "haphazard presentation" I alluded to a couple paragraphs down? If it's the latter, then I can explain. I wrote that caveat several revisions before the finished piece came together. Early on, "To Will the Work" jumped all over the place. I had planned on splicing more poetry and weirdness throughout.
You and I had talked about building community. In fact, many Cultists and interested parties, Jason Sorrell for one, have advocated doing something off-line over and over again. I never disagreed but wondered when this part of our religion should manifest. I feel that now is the time.
Hopefully, everyone can take something unique from this essay. I went over a lot of stuff. "To Will the Work" is me throwing a stone into the water; now I'm content to watch the ripples alter reality.
I look forward to reading more of your comments as well!
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by sin on Jul 13, 2011 9:46:06 GMT -6
I think your thoughts are becoming more refined. It is a well thought-out essay. I really like the compliment artwork. For me, this has all been said many times (in different ways). Perhaps its just communicated more clearly for public opinion and reception. Emphasis and repetition is good, for seeding ideas. Venger Wrote: "Hopefully, everyone can take something unique from this essay." The contributions made by the cultists themselves, are detectable. I detect them, because I am actively involved. I can see the inspiration flowing through you and back to the fellowship. Refinement, the true nature of a cultus. I think that the CoC as a hyper-organic entity in itself, is really taking hold. That is the most unique and profound element about this essay, for me. Witnessed evidence.
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Post by dudetyson on Jul 13, 2011 14:47:58 GMT -6
^I agree, I definitely noticed various pieces of raspberry cheesecake from various people.
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Post by twilighterheart on Jul 13, 2011 15:09:57 GMT -6
Having any background to text hurts one's eyes when reading the text, and in my opinion would be much better on a plain black or white background instead with the opposite in text color. Font size is to small has well. I shouldn't have to copy and paste to able to read your works.
"Authoring a new reality." Omit needless words. William Struck
"Democracy among savages is no government at all." Hence, why I am a monarchist.
The Great Old Ones can and only come into this world by taking human vessels. I mean by merging with a selective human beings with the right DNA, right type of mindset, and a pure soul to devour completely.
That is how it has always been and will always be. Human society has been moved by such persons, otherwise the human creature would still be living in caves and not floating in space and walking around with iphones.
The human most have the ability to handle the past lives of The Great Old One, many of gone mad with the emotions and knowledge of said Being. Entire libraries of past alien civilizations are imprinted on the chosen human being, in time.
Giving the person the know-how to alter their own home world, to the best possible ways and conducting their hitherto society. In time, the merging will come off completely natural thing and most people will be none the wiser, and with great zeal at the marvels of their genius.
The proper way to bring back the real Old Ones is by first offering yourself first to being a host, and then after going through your own trials and tribulations to prove your worth, seek out others to serve your cause. The first ones always have the harder work to do, but have gain the most power in the end.
Once you find one to a handful of loyal people, it's time to go underground to bring the real work of changing the world. You study for years on end the mainstream history, politics, science, math, fiction, art, entertainment, maps, outdated opinions, rare books, or plainly put everything.
Once you find something that was put to the side, that was vital for the current society to keep it going you adsorb its power. You make it your own and not only reintroduce it, but claim it has your own by making it anew.
Why should people at large give a care about you? They do not care in the least. You must give them a reason to care, people have the right to cling on to the old, but only the strong will change the world to their will alone.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 13, 2011 18:37:16 GMT -6
Thanks for the praise, Priestess of R'lyeh Cora'Sahn. I definitely felt inspired.
twilighterheart, if you do have trouble reading stuff on the website, I'm sorry about that. Not much I can do at this point except talk to Ariock the web designer and ask if he can flip a switch to make the font slightly bigger.
The coloring won't be changed.
Having an English degree, I'm well acquainted with William Strunk and E.B. White. Where in that phrase are the needless words?
There's one gigantic problem with monarchy - nepotism.
WTF?
By His loathsome tentacles,
VS
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Post by lokidreaming on Jul 13, 2011 22:00:25 GMT -6
I think your thoughts are becoming more refined. It is a well thought-out essay. Master Satanis, Totally agree with Cora'Sahn!!! Your essay hit home hard for me as I have been having trouble at the moment pushing through the pain barrier and breaking through the current obstacles in front of me. Belief IS Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by sugarubies on Jul 14, 2011 18:08:10 GMT -6
I read this essay twice. It was an interesting experience. I must say though, and I don't mean to offend, but it read somewhat like a self-help book you'd find in the local bookstore. I couldn't help an audible chuckle on the metro when you mentioned Tony Robbins. ;D
All in all it was positive and encouraging. I see Cora'Sahn's point that repetition is good for seeding ideas. My impression has been however, all these three measly days, was that these seeds were sown long ago. In my humble opinion there was no need for this kind of redundancy in your writing. I think perhaps your readers are cleverer than you might think and perhaps deserving of a more elevated or sophisticated vocabulary. After all, they are Lovecraft fans. I could not help thinking that the message of pushing yourself to the next level towards achieving the desired state of awareness called for more power than you were willing to show or give to the reader. Were you holding back for any particular reason?
I mean to relay this critique in the most respectful manner. I'm impressed that you've decided to call disciples to your state for an offline school. This is a huge event for those who are truly seeking the kind of enlightenment we seek. Doubtless all who take part will have the benefit of sharing enormous experiences. Human vibrations far exceed those of the computer.
Awake!
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Post by lokidreaming on Jul 14, 2011 22:16:08 GMT -6
After I have finished checking my online stuff I am off to the library to pick my reserved copy of that Anthony Robbins book everyone is raving about including a fellow back packer.
Belief IS Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 15, 2011 0:30:05 GMT -6
I appreciate the feedback, sugarubies.
Not everyone that reads my essays are Cultists. Some may not even be aware of Lovecraft - a scary proposition, I know! Even when some ideas are repeated, it is done in a slightly different way. The variation can bring out new meaning if a reader is open to it.
I'm not just inspired by Cultists. Literary nfluences such as Maurice Nicoll, Anthony Robbins, and Anton LaVey guide my pen. Sometimes, I probably sound a bit too much like one writer or another. It just depends on who I'm reading at the time.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean, but I would like to. Can you elaborate?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by sugarubies on Jul 15, 2011 8:33:53 GMT -6
Master Satanis, amongst my close personal friends who live quite far from me, such broad, all encompassing anecdotes would seem amusing to them. They are enlightened individuals living a fully conscious existence (although few are on the road to Self-Deification). I sense that the majority of readers of your essays are much the same and know what lies ahead for them, that waking and striving to better themselves, master themselves and become stronger is already ingrained in their daily lives. The decision to find the right path (or the left, if you will) and take up the high road has been made. It feels as though you you seek a much broader audience, hence your power, knowledge and wisdom that could be expressed here for those awaiting your writings is held at bay. As I said, it reads a bit like it was created for mass consumption.
However, reactions here to the essay were bursting with motivation and praise, so I may just be too sensitive.
That said, it's still a fine piece of comprehensive writing and I understand the bit about adopting other writers' styles. I simply feel that a more intimate style might foster more profound reactions and in effect, more immediate actions from your readers.
Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 15, 2011 13:25:51 GMT -6
Master Satanis, amongst my close personal friends who live quite far from me, such broad, all encompassing anecdotes would seem amusing to them. They are enlightened individuals living a fully conscious existence (although few are on the road to Self-Deification). I sense that the majority of readers of your essays are much the same and know what lies ahead for them, that waking and striving to better themselves, master themselves and become stronger is already ingrained in their daily lives. The decision to find the right path (or the left, if you will) and take up the high road has been made. It feels as though you you seek a much broader audience, hence your power, knowledge and wisdom that could be expressed here for those awaiting your writings is held at bay. As I said, it reads a bit like it was created for mass consumption. However, reactions here to the essay were bursting with motivation and praise, so I may just be too sensitive. That said, it's still a fine piece of comprehensive writing and I understand the bit about adopting other writers' styles. I simply feel that a more intimate style might foster more profound reactions and in effect, more immediate actions from your readers. Awake! Now, I understand. Thanks for clarifying. A lot of it was meant for mass consumption, yet there are parts of "To Will the Work" which can be understood on multiple levels. Some of those levels won't be intelligible to the masses.
In future, I'll also write essays which are geared towards adept LHP practitioners. Just out of curiosity, what do you think of "Metanoia"? That essay was intended for a more discerning audience.
www.cultofcthulhu.net/2011/06/metanoia/
Anyone else want to give me their impressions?
Awake!
VS
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Post by twilighterheart on Jul 15, 2011 18:35:44 GMT -6
It don't feel like an occult writing at all. More like a mainstream attempt at it, with HPL terms thrown in for flavor. I have yet to read this book, but highlights my point clearly: Sham: How the Self-Help Movement Made America Helpless www.amazon.com/Sham-Self-Help-Movement-America-Helpless/dp/1400054109/ref=bxgy_cc_b_img_aMaybe you are just trying to a part of the $8-billion-a-year industry of self help, using HPL public domain works for it. The sad truth is there is real magic here, but no one with the real means to wield said magic. I will give you a piece of advice reading dead words will only lead to dead deeds. A modern man with western secularism mind will never inherit the kingdom of the Old Ones.
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Post by sin on Jul 16, 2011 5:28:27 GMT -6
The sad truth is there is real magic here, but no one with the real means to wield said magic. Based on what exactly? Can you observe all people, their actions, their measurable results? It starts with individuals, and as they use magic to change themselves, the world changes.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 16, 2011 15:29:18 GMT -6
It don't feel like an occult writing at all. More like a mainstream attempt at it, with HPL terms thrown in for flavor. I have yet to read this book, but highlights my point clearly: Sham: How the Self-Help Movement Made America Helpless www.amazon.com/Sham-Self-Help-Movement-America-Helpless/dp/1400054109/ref=bxgy_cc_b_img_aMaybe you are just trying to a part of the $8-billion-a-year industry of self help, using HPL public domain works for it. The sad truth is there is real magic here, but no one with the real means to wield said magic. I will give you a piece of advice reading dead words will only lead to dead deeds. A modern man with western secularism mind will never inherit the kingdom of the Old Ones. Your saying that my work doesn't feel like occult writing is a compliment. Most occult writing lacks clarity, substance, or both. I study and use self-help techniques because people, including myself, need help. Who better to help a man than himself? Also, I prefer the phrase "self improvement".
Take any industry... it can be framed in the billions. The porn industry, the art industry, the oil industry. What does the dollar value have to do with anything? Are you saying that I'm only doing this for the money or that financial compensation is my primary concern? If so, then come right out and say it.
I use the Cthulhu Mythos as Lovecraft and his friends intended. Even if HPL's works were not in the public domain, I'd still be doing what I do. The Mythos inspires me and will always have an influence on my own creative works.
I do wield magic. Many Cultists do. Many non-Cultists do as well. Also, I'm not a secularist.
If you're going to level criticism in the future, then I suggest removing personal bias before you proceed. Disliking something and then trying to find pseudo-legitimate reasons to support your dislike is a rather fruitless endeavor. Oh yeah, one last thing, twilighterheart... you never responded to my questions regarding your initial criticism. First things first.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by twilighterheart on Jul 17, 2011 0:14:06 GMT -6
It don't feel like an occult writing at all. More like a mainstream attempt at it, with HPL terms thrown in for flavor. I have yet to read this book, but highlights my point clearly: Sham: How the Self-Help Movement Made America Helpless www.amazon.com/Sham-Self-Help-Movement-America-Helpless/dp/1400054109/ref=bxgy_cc_b_img_aMaybe you are just trying to a part of the $8-billion-a-year industry of self help, using HPL public domain works for it. The sad truth is there is real magic here, but no one with the real means to wield said magic. I will give you a piece of advice reading dead words will only lead to dead deeds. A modern man with western secularism mind will never inherit the kingdom of the Old Ones. Your saying that my work doesn't feel like occult writing is a compliment. Most occult writing lacks clarity, substance, or both. I study and use self-help techniques because people, including myself, need help. Who better to help a man than himself? Also, I prefer the phrase "self improvement".
Take any industry... it can be framed in the billions. The porn industry, the art industry, the oil industry. What does the dollar value have to do with anything? Are you saying that I'm only doing this for the money or that financial compensation is my primary concern? If so, then come right out and say it.
I use the Cthulhu Mythos as Lovecraft and his friends intended. Even if HPL's works were not in the public domain, I'd still be doing what I do. The Mythos inspires me and will always have an influence on my own creative works.
I do wield magic. Many Cultists do. Many non-Cultists do as well. Also, I'm not a secularist.
If you're going to level criticism in the future, then I suggest removing personal bias before you proceed. Disliking something and then trying to find pseudo-legitimate reasons to support your dislike is a rather fruitless endeavor. Oh yeah, one last thing, twilighterheart... you never responded to my questions regarding your initial criticism. First things first.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
I find your words hollow. They lack power, purity, and strength. I doubt you even believe in the Gods, it is why I say you are a secularist. You have a great need to omit useless words because your writing style is long-winded. Being a devotee to horrible Gods myself, I came here hoping to find something real, but yet again I see so much humanness it makes me sick. If an authentic high priest of Cthulhu was around, he would be hiding in the shadows of humanity waiting for the day when his amoral plans could come into being so his monstrous God would raise. He would be the human vessel for his Greenness to devour. He would be on the look at for other human vessels of the Old Ones to join forces with so they could take over the entire world. Their work would be in secret, it would have to be. Humans would seek to destroy them all. They would have a right to it, to protect their worthless world from horrible Gods returning. To no avail would they stop the return of the Old Ones. If this is not your goal in life, then you are a fake high priest of mighty Cthulhu. He will punish those that take His name in vain. There real people working in secret to the raising of the horrible Gods return. May you never chance upon meeting them if your devotion is fake, but if it is real you be better off returning to the shadows to continue the work, priest. Least you be found a fraud.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 0:27:47 GMT -6
twilighterheart,
First I want to emphasize on this : I suffered as much as you. I was a devoted, lived exactly the same, went on the brink of dying for it, what you told about you could be a description of my past.
I understand you suffered a lot, and now you are searching for a justification for it.
When it is not intentional and for a clear reason, suffering is debilitating. Now that I am a Cultist and learned a lot, I can testify it by experience. I'm sorry for you for all what you endured, life is the most cruel with people as us who wanted to be "good". Yes your tears and your pain were food for the gods they took everything from you and now you are full of negativity, because they have eaten the good part of you !
So difficult to admit that all your suffering was for nothing ? Yes, difficult and more easy to fool yourself by inventing a justification. I know.
The Cult of Cthulhu may help you to give up your suffering and to build yourself again. Read again, watch again, with a new eye. Give up your hate and your rage, that's what I had, too, and trust me you will be better without, this is NOT something of value this is a wound.
The Cult of Cthulhu cured me, come, it may work with you, too.
(And if Lord Satanis did not create the 4th way, nor the Cthulhu mythos, nor Magic, etc, putting them together and building with this material the most fantastic paradigm I never saw IS his deed.)
Now is the moment of Awakening.
EDIT : Ho you completely changed your post, well at least you and me fully understand my own post now...
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Post by lokidreaming on Jul 17, 2011 22:07:41 GMT -6
@twilighterheart
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Post by twilighterheart on Jul 17, 2011 22:35:22 GMT -6
What secularist pop crap. It is why I hold to believe that Gods will not reveal themselves to people like you guys for the very reason above me. You can't reach the higher realms using your crappy little human mind. Please, you are so all warped and wrapped up into all of this powerless modern concepts that you fail to get it. I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but I must. The only point of being a devotee is one based on faith, to giving up one's soul to a god, not your freaking little humannessist thoughts! I am a person of faith. I am a person of the divine. I am a believer int the unknown. I have a soul.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 0:37:21 GMT -6
twilighterheart, AGAIN you edited ! Again you deleted your answer !
At least this is proving you are not very conscious of what you are doing when you do it. Think about it.
I read nothing deep and dark in what you write (although it is well written) only negativity, smell of pain & sadness and attack on everything around.
So you are The Very Best Person on Earth, according to what I have read. The Only One who get it about the occult. What are you doing in life, and please show a photo of you, I'm sure we all want to see what The Chosen One of the dark gods looks like.
By His loathsome tentacles.
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Post by twilighterheart on Jul 18, 2011 1:29:26 GMT -6
twilighterheart, AGAIN you edited ! Again you deleted your answer !
At least this is proving you are not very conscious of what you are doing when you do it. Think about it.
I read nothing deep and dark in what you write (although it is well written) only negativity, smell of pain & sadness and attack on everything around.
So you are The Very Best Person on Earth, according to what I have read. The Only One who get it about the occult. What are you doing in life, and please show a photo of you, I'm sure we all want to see what The Chosen One of the dark gods looks like.
By His loathsome tentacles. Thanks for being the common reaction to things. People are quite similar and I haven't been surprise with anyone in quite awhile. I deleted my messages because I wrote them while being highly emotional and knew they needed to be deleted. I should not even be here wasting my time, but it's late Sunday night and I don't feel like finishing reading my book so... I am just bored. I am not going to bother defending anything I have said. It's what I thought and still feel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 3:50:00 GMT -6
twilighterheart, AGAIN you edited ! Again you deleted your answer !
At least this is proving you are not very conscious of what you are doing when you do it. Think about it.
I read nothing deep and dark in what you write (although it is well written) only negativity, smell of pain & sadness and attack on everything around.
So you are The Very Best Person on Earth, according to what I have read. The Only One who get it about the occult. What are you doing in life, and please show a photo of you, I'm sure we all want to see what The Chosen One of the dark gods looks like.
By His loathsome tentacles. Thanks for being the common reaction to things. People are quite similar and I haven't been surprise with anyone in quite awhile. I deleted my messages because I wrote them while being highly emotional and knew they needed to be deleted. I should not even be here wasting my time, but it's late Sunday night and I don't feel like finishing reading my book so... I am just bored. I am not going to bother defending anything I have said. It's what I thought and still feel. Ha ha ha. Edit again. I challenge you to write a post without editing. Rule N°1 of occultism, the management of the emotional state : Power is control.
OK you told us enough. Write us again when you will be tired of suffering (it was and is not pity for you, it is hope to find partnership).
Now is the moment of Awakening.
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Post by K'zin Z'tari on Jul 18, 2011 8:30:47 GMT -6
Awesome
@master Satanis,as I have said before,you are the man
@yrreiht,brother,you make me proud to be a Cthulhu Cultist,keep up the good work
Awake
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Post by sin on Jul 18, 2011 9:01:29 GMT -6
What secularist pop crap. It is why I hold to believe that Gods will not reveal themselves to people like you guys for the very reason above me. You can't reach the higher realms using your crappy little human mind. Please, you are so all warped and wrapped up into all of this powerless modern concepts that you fail to get it. I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but I must. The only point of being a devotee is one based on faith, to giving up one's soul to a god, not your freaking little humannessist thoughts! I am a person of faith. I am a person of the divine. I am a believer int the unknown. I have a soul. What is your soul? Were you born with it, or did you work at creating it?
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Post by ophiuchus on Jul 18, 2011 10:10:44 GMT -6
"The only point of being a devotee is one based on faith, to giving up one's soul to a god, not your freaking little humannessist thoughts!"
This is, you may recall, a Left-Hand Path forum. Faith is the abdication of reason, and we don't do that. Giving up one's soul to a god is servitude. We don't do that either. We're not secularist, we're trying to go one better than the Christians, and the Muslims, and the other Right-Hand Path faiths, because the Gods are our allies and our mentors, not our rulers, and we want to be like Them someday, as a son wants to be like his Father when he grows up. I am a person of faith. I am a person of the divine. I am a believer in the unknown. I have a soul. That doesn't make me a slave, and there's no reason I can't be capable of socialising with or teaching uninitiated humans.
By the way lokidreaming, where'd you find that quote?
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Post by boksmutant on Jul 18, 2011 16:12:56 GMT -6
"What secularist pop crap. It is why I hold to believe that Gods will not reveal themselves to people like you guys for the very reason above me.
You can't reach the higher realms using your crappy little human mind. Please, you are so all warped and wrapped up into all of this powerless modern concepts that you fail to get it."
twilighterheart, this was all to impulsive of you, your wiser side should see that if we the COC or Venger are not capable of communing with the Dark Gods, then should we not be shown the way, Perhaps by you? Why leave us in the dark with out a guide? This is your responsibility as an enlightened person, to help show the world a different way, to enlighten, not tear down.
Awake!
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