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Post by jasonsorrell on Apr 10, 2011 6:46:41 GMT -6
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 10, 2011 9:23:33 GMT -6
In my opinion, what you've described is the birth of Utopia. I'd love to see such an ideal society come together for the mutual benefit of all. The realist in me, however understated he might be, feels this is too far-fetched. By and large, people are generally lazy, ignorant, deluded assholes. That is why only 3% make those required super-efforts to forge a better world.
Nevertheless, I do believe that a religious, magical, or philosophical organization should be rooted in the off-line "real world".
Besides posting ads on Craigslist and some hypothetical occult book shop's bulletin board... any suggestions for finding those local individuals of the 3% variety? Not just Jason but anyone?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Narlool L'Pah on Apr 10, 2011 9:57:16 GMT -6
Besides posting ads on Craigslist and some hypothetical occult book shop's bulletin board... any suggestions for finding those local individuals of the 3% variety? Not just Jason but anyone? Dark Magick? Ritual to 'attract' certain individuals?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 2:15:29 GMT -6
Quote from Jason's sermon :
" To accomplish the goal of creating a community will require courage; a boldness that is several degree more than creating an Internet presence and identity no matter how radical or extreme. It will require a leader truly willing to lead, and members truly dedicated to their cause. The potential benefits, if successful, might be well worth the risk."
Come back to the Cult of Cthulhu then ! What are you waiting for ?
Here we have a leader willing to lead, dedicated members, a common goal, an excellent philosophy, and we are far above, I mean far more awake than other satanist groups.
You know it, alone you will achieve less than in a group.
Don't worry, be happy, make efforts !
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Post by jasonsorrell on Apr 11, 2011 9:28:53 GMT -6
In my opinion, what you've described is the birth of Utopia. I'd love to see such an ideal society come together for the mutual benefit of all. The realist in me, however understated he might be, feels this is too far-fetched. By and large, people are generally lazy, ignorant, deluded assholes. That is why only 3% make those required super-efforts to forge a better world.
Nevertheless, I do believe that a religious, magical, or philosophical organization should be rooted in the off-line "real world".
Besides posting ads on Craigslist and some hypothetical occult book shop's bulletin board... any suggestions for finding those local individuals of the 3% variety? Not just Jason but anyone?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
3% of 300 million (The US population rounded down) is 9 million people... enough people to populate an average size city. It is not far-fetched for like-minded people to gather together in the same geographical area for mutual benefit. The Puritans went to the New World, the Mormons to Utah, the Quakers to Pennsylvania... the examples from US history are numerous. There is nothing Utopian about it. In each example it only took leadership willing to start the process and dedicated membership willing to follow through. I did not write this specifically for the Cult of Cthulhu, but this organization would be perfect to test this process. Sun Prairie has a population of around 30,000 (rounding up) and is growing. As a suburb of Madison, there are employment and entrepreneurial opportunities. With such a small community, it would not take many CoC members to form an influential voting block in Sun Prairie. You have invited members or Individuals to come to Sun Prairie and work with you directly on a temporary basis in the past. This would just be an extension of that offer; dedicated members would stay with you until they have gotten jobs and a place to stay on their own. They would continue to work with you directly; participating in regular services and rituals, assisting with the maintenance and growth of the physical CoC, and making the way for even more members to relocate. I admit that it would be a bold move on your part, and would require a real investment from your dedicated members to relocate and focus on B influences almost exclusively. The work that could be accomplished through being centrally and geographically focused could, as I pointed out, truly set any organization that made that move apart from the Internet-based counterparts and go a long way toward ensure the future viability of the organization. As to your question on how to attract that 3% to what you are doing locally... Well, if you are not drawing them in from outside your community, you again are looking at a pool of about 900 people in Sun Prairie. I would suggest that most of those people are Internet-based, with only a small number of them interested in doing anything face-to-face. However, those Individuals who would do anything face-to-face would do ANYTHING... they would be willing to check out anything no matter how radical it might be, if just to see if it might interest them. They are just waiting for someone to do something, an open it up to the public. Simply be somewhere public on a regular basis, and announce that you will be at, I don't know, Coffee House X at 9pm on the 23rd of each month with copies of your book and a willingness to discuss the CoC and any questions the public might have. You have to have an agenda, a plan to move from public to private gatherings, but that is the step beyond fliers and business cards that I would take. You would also need endurance and patience... many nights you will spend an hour sipping your coffee alone. And, as you know, this need not be your responsibility alone. Any member of your organization could do this. In fact, I would encourage all your members who consider themselves dedicated and enthusiastically involved in the CoC to do the same. If they are making the effort publicly, and doing the minimum to make the public aware of their efforts, others seeking that kind of B influence will be drawn to them. Or not. There are no guarantees. It takes effort... and courage.
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 11, 2011 10:34:01 GMT -6
Perhaps it is less far-fetched than my initial misanthropy had me believe...
I am willing to meet half way if others do the same. Unfortunately, I am tied to the Madison area and will probably reside here for a few more years. It's not a bad place to live, but I feel that LaVey probably had an easier time in San Francisco; Gurdjieff outside Paris or Ouspensky in London.
Nevertheless, the Cult of Cthulhu must try. I'm always up for a challenge. What about you?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by jasonsorrell on Apr 11, 2011 12:17:23 GMT -6
Perhaps it is less far-fetched than my initial misanthropy had me believe...
I am willing to meet half way if others do the same. Unfortunately, I am tied to the Madison area and will probably reside here for a few more years. It's not a bad place to live, but I feel that LaVey probably had an easier time in San Francisco; Gurdjieff outside Paris or Ouspensky in London.
Nevertheless, the Cult of Cthulhu must try. I'm always up for a challenge. What about you?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
Larger cities have the advantage of a larger population to draw from, but, other than the local Native Americans, how many people lived in Salt Lake City before the Mormons arrived? The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that Sun Prairie is ideal for this kind of effort, and all you would need is one person or family who is dedicated to the Cult of Cthulhu and your teachings to be willing to relocate with an eye on applying the concepts of the CoC, building social and political influence within a small population, and establishing a geographical base of operations. You have more than one or two members that show that kind of dedication here on the board. If in 5 years you had half-a-dozen CoC households in Sun Prairie, imagine the impact that would have when placed up against any other organization like the CoC that hasn't made that move! CoC members getting together once a month to make art, music, films... whatever. While everyone else would be talking about what they want to do, the CoC would be talking about what they have done and are doing. Again, this is not a call to action or a challenge I am placing before the CoC, just an acknowledgment that the CoC appears (from an outsider's perspective) to be primed for this kind of effort as are a few other groups. You get one member to say that they are moving to Sun Prairie... that will get the ball rolling. This might not be the best possible example, but consider what Circle Sanctuary in Mt. Horeb has been doing. They have been kicking around since 1974, hold a 20 acre chunk of land, and have members from all over the world who visit on a regular basis for festivals and events or have moved to the area to support the organization on a full-time basis. These people seem to have their own little reality-bubble, a society outside of society. I think that this kind of move by a current organization like the CoC would be ground-breaking. I am always up for a challenge, though again no challenge is being made here. On April 30th, 6 or 7 of us are getting together at my place for a barbecue, booze, tunes, and possibly some discussion about what we, as a group, might do down the road. I have the advantage of living in a large city where when like-minded Individuals begin to crave interaction with others we tend to find one another. I definitely do not have a forum with 1000+ registered members or people expressing the kind of dedication that would facilitate choosing to move to be near where I am, but I am always encouraging others to move to Austin. The Gurdjieff Foundation in San Antonio has gotten my attention along these lines, and I know that efforts are being made to establish something for that organization here in Austin as well. This is all, of course, food for thought.
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Post by sin on Apr 11, 2011 15:45:05 GMT -6
I had a go at it for nearly 2 years, with a 'real world' grotto. What I found, was that the first year, people were really dedicated. It was something new, something intriguing, something they could value. By the second year, the members treated it as a social club. They were more content to sleep, because the Work was...well work!
In my observation, people like to talk, but not many like to do. I like to produce results, if I want to change the world I'm a part of, I like to be active. I'm everywhere, I have my hands into everything, and I'm always looking for that 3%.
I honestly think they are like Bigfoot.
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Post by Narlool L'Pah on Apr 11, 2011 18:34:03 GMT -6
I have had a similar experience to Cora is organising community based groups (unrelated to this topic).
I think we should concentrate on improving ourselves first. There are many good people here who are 'leader types', but just because you are a go-getting leader type, doesn't make you anymore awake than the average basement dweller. Just your talents/personality is different.
If we awaken more, develop dark rituals, and raise our energy, like will attract like. We will draw them in.
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Post by sin on Apr 11, 2011 19:18:06 GMT -6
If we awaken more, develop dark rituals, and raise our energy, like will attract like. We will draw them in. Or more appropriately, they will be recognized. Well said.
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Post by darkprism on Apr 13, 2011 7:00:32 GMT -6
I really like the idea of this blog. It may be just a vision for a Utopian society based on agreeable ideals but I can also see this as a potential possibility for members and sympathizers of the CoC to form an affirming environment. A geographical locale where the ideas, concepts and interests of the CoC are allowed to flourish openly with a sense of physical community, just like the Mormons, the Amish and countless other Cult-like or religious groups. In this way there could be a great community of artists, writers, Workers, with places to gather, like homes, art galleries, music venues, places of reverence or worship for the Great Old Ones, actual, physical Fourth Way schools and projects. Like Jason says, it would start off with just one individual moving in and establishing themselves with another of their ilk in the same area and go from there. Who knows how this might flourish and grow over a decade or more. It is possible, although because it would more than likely be heavily opposed by other religious groups and fanatics, we would have to be well armed and well versed in the art of tactical warfare. Awake! Dark Prism
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Post by boksmutant on Apr 18, 2011 1:22:28 GMT -6
I've spent most of my life in night clubs & its somewhat comparable. Besides the strangers that drop by, you have the two main types who support the scene: #1 The regulars who live near by. #2 And the lifers (like me) who drive from two hours away lol.
We are a community that gathers for a multitude of reasons, the club is our everything, the dance floors the temple. I always felt a night club was one of the most important places on earth, no need to talk & bullshit.
A particular club in LA I know is like the main club to go to. Its a massive three story building that used to be a disco club back in the day. They hold art shows, model runway shows(hot!) Bands the whole gig, hell they even got a few computers in there now if you want. It's a hub ya know, a community worth fighting for, paying for ,supporting. One time the owner held a fund raiser for a guy who needed a organ transplant lol! After a few months he got the doe together. Were talkin tens of thousands of $. Fuckin crazy hu?
What I'm getting at is that YES, being nearer as a group would be the next logical step in creating a bigger organization. Like Andy Warhols"Factory" filled with artists & film makers, now that had the right idea & there are still a lot of places like that but they get filled with some useless elements like drug addicts & loafers lol, but under a religious setting like the COC's we could definitely take advantage of the good elements while NOT EVEN NEEDING to dispose of the bad.
I wouldn't have a problem moving out to Sun Prairie at some point(Not for a couple of years though) to collaborate with Venger. But that's also because it would be cool to be around other like minded people working on art/film stuff that supports the Cult. The best part would be having people near by to assist with projects & the like. For now these forums are a good way of weeding out who might be useful in the future, so I look at it like that, for now.
Awake!
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