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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Feb 12, 2011 20:18:52 GMT -6
Lately, I have been disappointed with the amount of conversations (or lack there of) in regards to The Work. Therefore, I am scheduling a one hour, live chat session for Tuesday, February 15, 2011 @ 9pm CST. The topic of discussion will be internal vs. external considering as referenced by Gurdjieff.
It would be great if many of you could schedule this in as well, and hopefully, we can get a dialogue going. If there is a decent turn-out, then I would like to make this a semi-monthly, possibly weekly engagement.
Awake!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 7:41:35 GMT -6
I'd like to, unfortunately 9 pm CST is 4 am for me...
But why not a topic in this forum ?
Now is the moment of Awakening.
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Feb 15, 2011 20:56:55 GMT -6
Live Chat failed. I stuck around for 20 minutes, but no one showed up. I did, however, manage to read through some of Maurice Nicoll's Commentaries while I waited, so it wasn't a complete loss...
When the stars are right.
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Post by Ikaros on Feb 15, 2011 22:07:16 GMT -6
Live Chat failed. I stuck around for 20 minutes, but no one showed up. I did, however, manage to read through some of Maurice Nicoll's Commentaries while I waited, so it wasn't a complete loss... When the stars are right. Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu I apologize, Sister. I completely forgot about it. I had every intention of joining you. Should we try again? Belief is Reality Ikaros
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Post by boksmutant on Feb 15, 2011 22:22:28 GMT -6
How would this be done? I am interested.
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Feb 16, 2011 20:20:37 GMT -6
How would this be done? I am interested. There is a "Live Chat" option at the top of this website. It will take you into a chat room. If we want to try again, let me check my schedule and get back to you. Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Mar 1, 2011 22:32:37 GMT -6
Let's try this again! I'm scheduling a live chat for the CoC this Sunday, March 6th, from 8:30pm - 9:30pm CST. Topic of discussion will be internal vs. external considering.
Hope to see many of you there!
We are out own future Gods.
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by hartnell on Mar 1, 2011 22:44:49 GMT -6
Ok. I'll try. I need background material though. Otherwise you have to put up with me asking a billion questions.
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Post by symbolicone on Mar 1, 2011 22:53:49 GMT -6
I'd be happy to join this. I'll be there!
Awake!
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Post by darkprism on Mar 2, 2011 3:25:30 GMT -6
I'd like to join in Apsara, but the time conversion for me is a Monday and I'll be at work.
I hope it goes well, and the subject is very interesting. If you ever arrange it for a Saturday at 8.30pm for the USA, let me know as it will be a Sunday afternoon here.
Awake!
Dark Prism
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Post by symbolicone on Mar 2, 2011 3:50:17 GMT -6
I could always record it in a video, or someone can copy the chatroom and post it here. Also, you could submit a question or 2 before the event, and see the answer afterwards.
Just some ideas.
Awake!
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Post by darkprism on Mar 2, 2011 11:47:25 GMT -6
Great idea, Symbolicone. If you or anyone is able to record or copy and paste the chat room session that would be much appreciated.
Awake!
Dark Prism
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 2, 2011 14:20:07 GMT -6
Let's try this again! I'm scheduling a live chat for the CoC this Sunday, March 6th, from 8:30pm - 9:30pm CST. Topic of discussion will be internal vs. external considering. Hope to see many of you there! We are out own future Gods. Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu Unless an emergency occurs, I shall be there. Hope to see many of you chatting away on the topic of internal versus external considering!
Thanks for spurring us to much needed action, Apsara Kamalli.
Awake!
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Mar 6, 2011 20:33:29 GMT -6
Live Chat happening now. Please join us in the Live Chat lobby for our discussion on internal vs. external considering.
Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 6, 2011 23:29:56 GMT -6
Apsara, Hartnell, and I had a nice little chat. You guys missed it... lame!
Hey, how about making the Live Chat a weekly thing every Sunday night? Here are some highlights from tonight's conversation. Please excuse... well, everything.
[hartnell] hola!
[asparakamalli] Evening!
Hey.
[hartnell] sorry for being late
No prob. Plenty of ritual killing left to do.
[hartnell] rock on
[hartnell] anyone get the cow to hold a knife properly?
[asparakamalli] I think we were just concluding our discussion.
[hartnell] what's the conclusion?
[asparakamalli] That no one else showed up so we chatted about personal issues. Did you have something that you wanted to add?
[hartnell] yeah
[hartnell] ok, so, I read what Jason posted...
[hartnell] let me see if I understand
Shoot.
[hartnell] identification is association of a bit of imagination with your identity?
[asparakamalli] No.
[asparakamalli] I don't think so.
I think Jason understands identification (and considering) to be an afront of one's true self.
[hartnell] for example, if someone sees a superhero on tv and takes bits of that and applies that to themselves, would that be identification?
[hartnell] so identification is mask building?
[asparakamalli] Mask building is closer, but still not it.
Not really.
[hartnell] what's the difference between identification and building self-concept as a process?
[asparakamalli] Have you read anything on the "Fourth Way"?
In that scenario, identification would be not paying attention to your hot pocket burning because you're too wrapped up in the superhero drama.
[hartnell] yeah aspara, i'm working on understanding it
[hartnell] consider me a curious tard looking to understand
Haha.
Did you get my example?
[asparakamalli]
[hartnell] yes, vs
[hartnell] but, how does your interpretation of your hot pocket figure into this?
Does that make sense? Or should I clarify?
The hot pocket is the outside world, as well as, the internal stuff you're neglecting because you are identified with the TV or your dandruff, or the hot girl who was in that last commercial.
[hartnell] ask me questions to verify my understanding, please
Are you your fucking khakis?
[hartnell] is identification related to recognition?
[hartnell] oh, hell no. i'm not my job either.
Then congrats, you're less identified than most people on the planet.
[hartnell] i am the all singing-all dancing crap of the world
Identification like a lot of things in our way (4th Way wise) obscure recognition.
[hartnell] yeah but some people call it a tomato, some people call it fruit
[hartnell] recognition is often dependent on the context, isn't it?
We can't see objectively (objective reality, if you will) because we are absorbed by the ordinary things we care about. Ridiculous life stuff that has no bearing on the matters at hand.
[hartnell] i mean, who some people are is dependent on context. at home. at work. at school. etc
If you can retain context, then you're doing well. Or be mindful of context.
[hartnell] i have no context.
[hartnell] what you see is what you get
Most people lose themselves in whatever crap is happening to them at the time.
[hartnell] i read that, and i have to ask, isn't that normal?
Yes, what you see is what you get.
[hartnell] like drawing requires it
[asparakamalli] No, drawing doesn't require it.
For us, it seems like common sense, but it's harder to apply than most people realize.
[hartnell] i know what you mean, vs, but i'm a total freak
[hartnell] aspara, are you an artist?
Indeed, that's why you already get it even though you're not that schooled in this stuff. Well, you are because of other sources. B Influences.
[hartnell] what's a b influence?
[asparakamalli] No, but I live with one that exercises by drawing and remembering himself at the same time.
[hartnell] that's interesting, i may stand corrected
[hartnell] for me, art requires a focus where I disappear and become totally absorbed in what i'm drawing
[hartnell] it's an intensification of the senses
A Influences come from life. C Influences come from Higher Forces (the Conscious Circle of Humanity or whatever). B Influences came from C but either degenerated or became misunderstood.
[hartnell] i vaguely remember reading something about that, vs
[asparakamalli] If you are totally obsorbed by drawing, then you have deaded your senses, and have become identified with your drawing.
[hartnell] i disagree
4th Way authors love to repeat stuff. The oldies but goodies.
In a way, I disagree too.
But it's hard to differentiate.
[asparakamalli] Being identified by drawing enhances your senses?
[hartnell] i get the idea we're missing a distinction
Absorption of what you are focued on is different than being absobed by whatever nonsense happens to cross your path.
[hartnell] and we're probably both right
[hartnell] in NLP we call it "uptime"
The former is uptime?
[hartnell] which is time spent focused outward, in the moment, in our senses
[hartnell] you get the same thing travelling at 200mph
Gurdjieff said that if you could mop the floor, really mop it like it should be mopped, doing it correctly... then that would be more valuable than writing 10 books.
[hartnell] clean freek.
[hartnell] j/k
[asparakamalli] Right. Because internally, you are unaffected byt the mopping.But when you stop remembering your Self, you become identified.
Haha.
I think you can hold off on identification even when not actively Self-Remembering.
[hartnell] i'm confused
[hartnell] why do anything if you are unaffected by it?
Identification is something we easily fall into rather than being our normal, everyday state. Although, it happens to us many times each day.
[hartnell] if mopping the floor doesn't change anything, then why mop?
Because the floor is dirty.
[asparakamalli] One of the goals of the Fourth Way is to remain internally consistent while effectively managing your external affairs.,
[hartnell] are you affected by the floor being dirty?
[asparakamalli] Yes, externally, and you don't even realize it.
[hartnell] aspara, can you elaborate?
Well, it moved you to action. But you must be the Master of the floor, the mop, and your own self.
[hartnell] moppin' ninja, vs?
Yes, we must all learn to be moppin' ninja, my young padawan learner.
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Post by hartnell on Mar 6, 2011 23:40:05 GMT -6
I was totally misquoted and misrepresented in this. I'm joking.
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Post by hartnell on Mar 12, 2011 15:31:28 GMT -6
By my divine non-authority, I'm scheduling a chat tomorrow at 8:30pm - 9:30pm CST. Topic to be announced by someone else.
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Post by boksmutant on Mar 12, 2011 16:11:21 GMT -6
I'll try & get in on it again this week as well. Had trouble last time.
Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 12, 2011 17:35:32 GMT -6
By my divine non-authority, I'm scheduling a chat tomorrow at 8:30pm - 9:30pm CST. Topic to be announced by someone else. By your divine non-authority, Hartnell, I shall be in attendance (unless Scarlet Princess happens to be in labor) !!!
How about we open Live Chat discussion up to anything involving The Great Work (Lovecraft, Left Hand Path, 4th Way). That gives us plenty of breathing room.
Awake!
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Post by matthaeus on Mar 12, 2011 17:39:46 GMT -6
I may try to make this as well.
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Post by hartnell on Mar 12, 2011 18:18:09 GMT -6
I'll do my best to be on time this time.
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Post by boksmutant on Mar 12, 2011 20:23:52 GMT -6
So rad brother satanis. We will have to have pictures of the child.
Whats the word on Scarlet anyway?
Awake!
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Post by hartnell on Mar 13, 2011 19:42:05 GMT -6
Chat's on.
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 14, 2011 23:29:10 GMT -6
The word? Still swollen with child. If she doesn't have it naturally by Monday, they're going to induce her.
Sorry, I missed the Live Chat, guys. I feel bad. Don't even have a good reason, just forgot about it. Was anything discussed? If there's a record of your conversation, feel free to post it or give us the gist.
If there's another Live Chat this Sunday night, I'll try harder not to let it slip my mind.
Awake!
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Post by hartnell on Mar 20, 2011 14:19:16 GMT -6
by my divine non-authority, I once again proclaim a chat at the usual bat time, same bat chat.
Tonight, 8:30pm - 9:30pm CST.
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 20, 2011 16:58:50 GMT -6
by my divine non-authority, I once again proclaim a chat at the usual bat time, same bat chat. Tonight, 8:30pm - 9:30pm CST. Two and a half hours from now. Not likely I'll forget that. Will be there for discussion. Thanks for getting things in gear, brother.
Awake!
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