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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 19, 2011 14:12:39 GMT -6
Next week, I'll be writing a new blog post cause it's been a little while, and I just came up with an interesting topic. BTW, this is the blog website: cthulhu-cult.com/
The article is going to be on the difference between being in the moment and being outside the moment. The idea came to me when thinking about comparisons between The Power of Now and various 4th Way books.
I'd like your feedback ahead of time so I can include a few quotes, anecdotes, and practical evidence from Cultists who've thought about such differences and what those differences might mean.
Contemplate being in the moment and being outside the moment, then if you would, email me what you come up with. If you don't want any part of your email to be included in next week's blog, then please say so.
Awake,
VS
p.s. I just completed a spur-of-the-moment blog post titled "Linguistic Precision".
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 28, 2011 13:37:08 GMT -6
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 28, 2011 16:00:44 GMT -6
I love the comparison to the Matrix movie. It does give a more visual example that is easier to relate to.
Awake!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 16:21:57 GMT -6
Another great piece of wisdom. Hail Satanis !
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 29, 2011 11:29:31 GMT -6
Great post, Dark Prism!
I'm going to put this in the Directory of Awesome Posts... with a footnote. Specifically, that self-remembering is more like being outside the moment while self-observation is the same as being in the moment. The former allows for analysis, perspective, and distance whereas the latter is not dissimilar to being lost within the moment.
Thanks for the comments, guys. I hope to read more. And don't be shy about posting questions either... or dissenting theories.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by boksmutant on Jan 29, 2011 14:00:41 GMT -6
This answer's a question I had perfectly. The distinction between being in the moment & recognizing your world for what it is, vs being outside the moment & see the world from a greater perspective. It would be my guess that most average people spend 95% of their lives "unaware". 4% in the moment, & 1% outside the moment.
Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 29, 2011 15:15:34 GMT -6
Thanks for posting, Jake Black. This will provide excellent food for thought.
This is my point of view on your understanding...
That's what I meant by momentization.
Your personal experience is an example of lopsided being versus knowledge. This is an easy trap to fall in without the benefit of a Conscious School. In your case, I believe your knowledge outweighed your being. You had the right information or approach but the wrong way of going about it. To me, it sounds like you couldn't effectively utilize the advanced knowledge at your disposal. In effect, you were in a state of overwhelming paralysis.
However, it seems like you've been correcting this imbalance on your own... probably with the aid of B Influences (conscious teaching diluted by the ordinary, everyday world). That's still very commendable.
Here's where I think your misinterpretation is. Objective consciousness assumes subjective consciousness just as being in the moment is inherent or a part of being outside the moment. If it were a matter of either one or the other, then I would agree... one would need to keep practicing both.
Fortunately, you can't have objective consciousness without the possibility or potential for subjective consciousness. The third state of momentization is about adding control to the second state, not exchanging one valuable perspective for another.
For those who know the game of chess, the following illustration might help. There is the pawn which is blind to the moment. A pawn hardly has any mastery of itself within the game. Then there's the rook or castle which has more power, more movement, more possibilities. That is like being in the moment or subjective consciousness. The queen has the most authority because the queen can act like a pawn or rook if she wants. She is also far more than both those pieces combined. Within the game of chess, she is Master (although, we shouldn't forget about the king).
Does this make sense? Already, I think the discussion has born tremendous fruit. Would love to hear other voices speak up!
Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate,
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by boksmutant on Mar 23, 2011 18:52:16 GMT -6
In regards to being in the moment & being outside it, I think of times I when I'm reading a book. It occurred to me that when reading, I could become so wrapped up in the scene taking place that I don't remember the context with which the scene was put in, IE the rest of the story. Then would have to go back a page or two just to recapture the over all picture.
Yes it has a lot to do with how we'll written it is, your attention span,etc. But the feeling that wash's over you when you take a step back & remember all the little details that have led up to the situation at hand for your characters, is quite noticeable.
I would like to think this sorta feeling is associated with being outside the moment vs inside. Its a bit weak I know, but would you say there is an awakening feeling when outside the moment, something more recognizable than another, like in the case of the reading situation; or would it be more subtle?
For me being outside the moment has quite a few different sensations, not always the same. Some are mind blowing experiences where I actually feel a camera being pulled back & it hits me like a ton of bricks, while others I feel a sinking in sensation where I AM the actual camera & things get pushed away from me till I can see them in perspective.
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Awake!
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