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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Jan 4, 2011 15:03:54 GMT -6
I was just thinking about the fourth way and had a thought... Has anyone ever woken up?
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 4, 2011 15:10:09 GMT -6
I was just thinking about the fourth way and had a thought... Has anyone ever woken up? I've had brief moments of being Awake but am working on making that permanent. I understand now why it is called The Work because it is something that you have to work at on a constant basis but well worth the effort. Awake!
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Post by thoth25 on Jan 4, 2011 20:04:25 GMT -6
I've had brief moments of being Awake but am working on making that permanent. I understand now why it is called The Work because it is something that you have to work at on a constant basis but well worth the effort. Couldn't agree more, not only does being awake seem to waver, but the level which one believes he has reached. It seems like once you get somewhere, your shot down. It definitely is a Work.
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 4, 2011 20:25:31 GMT -6
I've had brief moments of being Awake but am working on making that permanent. I understand now why it is called The Work because it is something that you have to work at on a constant basis but well worth the effort. Couldn't agree more, not only does being awake seem to waver, but the level which one believes he has reached. It seems like once you get somewhere, your shot down. It definitely is a Work. Exactly! And right when we think we have it, some trivial crap comes along and distracts us and THAT is what we have to learn to control. We can't let our concentration waver. We have to use our WILL to push outside interferences away but even then we are acknowledging them and giving them power. So, for now, we do the best we can to strengthen our WILL first. Awake!
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Jan 4, 2011 21:08:38 GMT -6
Well I have a pretty strong will so (in theory) if ya'll would do me a solid and tell me how to focus on becoming more awake, I might then be able to see what you mean. Though I will say that by this point, I've been through many altered states of consciousness, and without drugs this time! So I may very well have experienced being truly awake and not even realized it. Or otherwise, perhaps Descartes was right in his earlier observations...
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Post by raygunnz171 on Jan 4, 2011 21:20:31 GMT -6
Yes people have reached the Awaken state and they are few in number or the few and the proud if you will.
AWAKE!
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Post by boksmutant on Jan 4, 2011 21:34:30 GMT -6
A lot of people have ascended throughout history. But you wouldn't know about it because their not in the greatest hurry to come back lol.
But in reference to the Fourth way, Im not sure.
Awake!
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 4, 2011 21:34:42 GMT -6
Yes people have reached the Awaken state and they are few in number or the few and the proud if you will. AWAKE! Many do not have the resources that we have to work with or do not have what it takes to put forth the effort into the Work. Or they are just as happy to go through their little sheeple lives. Awake!
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Jan 5, 2011 0:05:38 GMT -6
I was just curious as the fourth way is in direct contradiction with Descartes's meditations where he claims that he must exist and be awake as this is the only reality he can perceive. While many would claim that he is the first existentialist, I'm not so sure about that one anymore as existentialism as I know it, begs to answer the question, are we awake and alive?
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Jan 5, 2011 4:55:22 GMT -6
Plus keep in mind that while reading the books and doing the work is one of the most important thing for us to do, its a requirement that one goes to a legit 4th way school for at least 2 to 5 years.
That would mean to leave the US and stay at one of the 4th way schools. Plus money is a issue, since its so expensive. So for anyone to say they are awake or a 6 man or a 7 man is just insane. We are together and doing what we can do.
Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by lokidreaming on Jan 5, 2011 5:13:21 GMT -6
For me one of the saddest things in life is looking into the confused hollowed eyes of others around me.
Some of those people are so close yet so far, if only theywould just dig a little deeper and let go.
Belief Is Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Jan 5, 2011 21:21:19 GMT -6
Yes. Although, one should participate in a Fourth Way school in some fashion until our death. Awakening is a life-long process. When a student has learned enough, then he must begin to teach. Higher Forces shall compel him.No. This is a Fourth Way school right here. We stay in contact via the internet and it is not expensive.
I realize that you've been away, talking with other Fourth Way students and teachers unconnected with the CoC. It is a well-known fact that one 4th Way school is not the same as another. You would think that learning from two different schools would be more beneficial than simply learning from one. However, that is not the case. Things easily become confused. A student of two schools will eventually come to a point where he must choose one or the other. Hopefully, that student shall become a Master and teach his own students. I think you are correct here, Lord Satanis. I think that you must choose a teacher or a school based off of your own learning styles and intuitions. Follow that school/teacher for as long as you can until a point where you feel you need to break away from it in order to continue your awakening is reached. At that time, you will be versed in the language and more aware of your Self. You will be able understand what a new teacher is providing you and apply it accordingly to your own level of awareness. Unless you are very aware of yourself already, learning from two teachers simultaniously is extremely challenging. There are few of us able to balance that difference in influences effectively. Agreed. While acknowledging the predicament of others can assist you in reflecting your own predicaments, your main focus should remain effectively on self-remembering. Helping others, while admirable in idea, can be counter-productive to the asleep Self. Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Jan 6, 2011 5:24:39 GMT -6
I agree totally with Master Satanis and that is why I have been away. I didn't want to get confused and split my time here with studying the 4th Way elsewhere.
I wanted to challenge myself a bit and give studying the 4th Way some time and hopefully bring something to the CoC . While I was gone from here, my heart still was still here.
Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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