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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 17, 2010 21:04:33 GMT -6
Since finishing Creating a Soul by Girard Haven, I've turned to both Meetings With Remarkable Men by Gurdjieff and re-reading parts of Maruice Nicoll's Psychological Commentaries on the Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky (a fantastic multi-volume set).
A couple years ago, while first reading Volume 3, I came across a passage which confirmed my earliest theories on this universe, humanity, and the terrible reality of our predicament. Those words crystallized the Cthulhu Cult's paradigm comprising Lovecraft's Mythos, the Fourth Way, and my own ideas imparted to me by Higher Forces. Since stumbling upon it again, I've decided to post it here for all to read and then discuss...
"The action of the Moon," Gurdjieff said, in so many words, "is like a weight. It controls Organic Life, which covers the surface of the Earth as a sensitive film. It is like a weight on a pendulum. Its influence is to keep everything where and as it is. It uses Organic Life as its food. From this point of view life on Earth is a pain-factory." ~ page 1089
From there Maurice Nicoll relays Ouspensky's teaching on resisting the influences of life which some ancient writers called "escaping from prison."
How does that relate to your thoughts and feelings when reading Cthulhu Cult and Liber A:O? What about reading other 4th Way books?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu [/b] [/color]
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Post by raygunnz171 on Dec 18, 2010 1:54:34 GMT -6
I seriously need to get Creating a Soul I just love the wisdom from that book but is it a pretty easy book to follow?
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 18, 2010 12:21:57 GMT -6
I seriously need to get Creating a Soul I just love the wisdom from that book but is it a pretty easy book to follow? AWAKE! Just so you are aware, the quoted passage was not from Creating a Soul. It was from Maurice Nicoll's Psychological Commentaries on the Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky volume 3. I believe Nicoll's commentaries can be found as free PDFs online. A warning, they are not to be taken lightly.
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Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2010 16:26:33 GMT -6
I remember when reading "Cthulhu Cult", the first new idea who stroke me at heart was precisely that our suffering is food for the lesser gods. (the second that most of the men are machines with no soul, the third that magic does exist).
Indeed this is a very important point. Gurdjieff goes on ("in search of the miraculous") explaining that the "weight" is necessary for the pendulum who is the engine of the universe.
From my own meditations, I had this idea long ago : the higher gods (the Source ?) are of course loving strength (only a degenerate christian may think the inverse), so they created this universe, or allowed it to exist, to select the few who by their qualities and moral strength will succeed to escape from it, that will be the proof that they deserve to live and to join the gods. And what to do with the rest ? why not recycle it to sustain the big Machine...
Some experiences are so profound they alter our DNA.
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Post by raygunnz171 on Dec 18, 2010 18:25:06 GMT -6
I seriously need to get Creating a Soul I just love the wisdom from that book but is it a pretty easy book to follow? AWAKE! Just so you are aware, the quoted passage was not from Creating a Soul. It was from Maurice Nicoll's Psychological Commentaries on the Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky volume 3. I believe Nicoll's commentaries can be found as free PDFs online. A warning, they are not to be taken lightly.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
Yes i know but Im just curious about Creating a Soul. the 4th way is very interesting philosophy how is it you came across it?
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 19, 2010 11:55:27 GMT -6
Thanks for the high praise, Yrreiht.
I was introduced to the 4th Way through the Temple of Set's reading list around 1997. At first, I thought it strange that such a teaching was being promoted by a "satanic" religion. Now, of course, I find it strange that any Left Hand Path organization can effectively make progress without it!
Since Creating a Soul is one of the more expensive 4th Way books due to its being out of print and unavailable online, I recommend reading Ouspensky first. Cheaper and more accessible in a multitude of ways.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 8, 2011 11:38:29 GMT -6
"And remember, as some of you can, that we ourselves can be and are eaten - for we are foods. Yes - just imagine - we, strutting about and eating everything on Earth as by right - we are also in turn eaten by Beings we do not know, in the Scale of Being represented by the Ray of Creation. If we are cleverer we will be absorbed mentally into Beings of a higher level and participate in things quite marvellous that coarser beings cannot participate in. Enough of that side of the Work for the moment except to say that a person stuffed with attitudes, pride, self-merit, False Personality and the rest of it, is not acceptable food to Beings of a higher level of Intelligence."
page 1176 of Psychological Commentaries on the Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky Volume 3
It is very little discussed and usually not for the eyes and ears of novices; however, central to The Work are Beings, Higher Forces, and ultra-telluric entities which influence mankind one way or the other.
Many of those outside our emerald paradigm mention the devouring of human beings by Lord Cthulhu... even though Lovecraft never wrote of it. Perhaps deep within human beings there is a distant race memory of being consumed. Not in a physical way, but in a spiritual way. For what is food in the end except energy?
Let us further suppose that the lesser gods of the earth eat us in the lowest possible sense - as a food source and nothing more. But the Great Old Ones utilize us, break us down into our essential parts, that essence transcends Universe A and grows into advanced Beings like the Ancient Ones!
Ahaaa! Yes, let them call me insane now! This madness knows no bounds, brothers and sisters. Thoughts?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 8, 2011 11:53:38 GMT -6
"And remember, as some of you can, that we ourselves can be and are eaten - for we are foods. Yes - just imagine - we, strutting about and eating everything on Earth as by right - we are also in turn eaten by Beings we do not know, in the Scale of Being represented by the Ray of Creation. If we are cleverer we will be absorbed mentally into Beings of a higher level and participate in things quite marvellous that coarser beings cannot participate in. Enough of that side of the Work for the moment except to say that a person stuffed with attitudes, pride, self-merit, False Personality and the rest of it, is not acceptable food to Beings of a higher level of Intelligence."page 1176 of Psychological Commentaries on the Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky Volume 3 It is very little discussed and usually not for the eyes and ears of novices; however, central to The Work are Beings, Higher Forces, and ultra-telluric entities which influence mankind one way or the other.
Many of those outside our emerald paradigm mention the devouring of human beings by Lord Cthulhu... even though Lovecraft never wrote of it. Perhaps deep within human beings there is a distant race memory of being consumed. Not in a physical way, but in a spiritual way. For what is food in the end except energy?
Let us further suppose that the lesser gods of the earth eat us in the lowest possible sense - as a food source and nothing more. But the Great Old Ones utilize us, break us down into our essential parts, that essence transcends Universe A and grows into advanced Beings like the Ancient Ones!
Ahaaa! Yes, let them call me insane now! This madness knows no bounds, brothers and sisters. Thoughts?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
I pray that your madness NEVER knows any bounds, Master Satanis!! What an interesting concept! I do know that when we die, our energy is not destroyed, since the first Law of Thermodynamics is that energy cannot be created or destroyed but only changes form! This would mean that our lifeforce energy, or essence, has to go somewhere when we die. I may be wrong, but I am of the opinion that the more contact we have with the Old Ones, the more our energy "bonds" with Theirs and thus we change and become more like the Old Ones ourselves and eventually become Gods ourselves. This takes much work and does not happen until we are fully Awakened. Awake!
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