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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Dec 8, 2010 0:58:18 GMT -6
They say that he is the light bearer! They also say that he is the adversary. I believe what they are referring to in the latter, is the adversary to zianity and/or "orthodox" religions, yet I welcome any and all takes on this matter. I know that Lucifer is Latin for "light bearer" and that Satan is Hebrew for "adversary" so there is no need to go over that I assure you. But I felt it might be interesting to get feedback on these ideas as I think it's interesting to know what others believe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 1:30:07 GMT -6
Lucifer is Prometheus, he gave light/fire from heaven to the men, so they have opportunity to become as the gods. For that crime, he was banished by the gods who planned to keep man on the animal level.
Lucifer is Set, and he is Cthulhu.
Now is the moment of Awakening !
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Dec 8, 2010 9:55:15 GMT -6
He has so many names!
In any case, I feel you are correct sir... I've come to know him and he came to me in a dream assuring me that I will get what I need. Key words there, "What I need..." What I want is often an entirely different matter!
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Post by raygunnz171 on Dec 8, 2010 14:34:51 GMT -6
Lucifer was an important figure in Heaven but he craved more power till he eventually thought he deserved to have God's power. He and other Angels rebelled against God who cast them out of Heaven where Lucifer became "Satan" the Advercery and the cast out Angels "Fallen Angels."
Read Paradise Lost and the Old testament of the Christian Bible and yes he has lots of names!
AWAKE!
Drakaas Ahmar Sephiroth Dreaming Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Ikaros on Dec 22, 2010 15:01:05 GMT -6
I am very new to this group, and this is my first posting. I truly do not mean to violate any Newb etiquette. However . . . I must take issue with any interpretation of Lucifer equated with the Christian devil. Unfortunately, most Christians don't know their own mythology. Lucifer is only mentioned in the Vulgate and King James versions of the bible, where it is an apparently deliberate mistranslation. In the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament to the Christians), the Book of Isaiah chapter 14 speaks very specifically of the King of Babylon (at that time Sennacherib). The primary deity in Babylon was Ishtar aka Inanna aka Asrarte. Ishtar was associated with the planet Venus aka the morning star. The King of Babylon had the ceremonial title of "Son of the Morning Star" indicating his divine right to rule. What Isaiah is prophesying is Sennacherib's attack on Judah, and Sennacherib's ultimate defeat. The Latin equivalent to the morning star (which was believed to be a different star from Venus here known as the Evening Star) was a minor deity known as Lucifer. When St. Jerome wrote the Vulgate, he wrote in the reference to this minor deity as a way of discouraging and indicting Roman paganism. Now, one might argue that enough history has been built up around this mistranslation (which was copied by the authors of the King James bible) that they are now the same thing. However, if we look at the Islamic perspective, we get a much different interpretation of the entity known as Satan (which in the Hebrew sense is a title that seems to have applied to many angels, not one source of malevolence). In the Muslim mythology, God instructed the angels to bow before his new creation, man, and worship them and do their bidding. Iblis, an angel refused and was therefore cast out. However, there is a small sect of Muslims known as the Yazidi who actually worship this being under the name Malek Taus. In their belief, his refusal to worship man was because he refused to worship anyone besides Allah. Furthermore, there are many small sects in all three Judaic religions (viewed as heretical, of course) that believe that Satan will be restored to his previous high place of authority in the last days. I share all this for two reasons: to point out the error of confusing Satan and Lucifer, and to point out the complex set of ideas surrounding "the adversary". I would be most happy to hear any differing opinions or arguments to what I have stated here.
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Post by Inha Delgado Ot Anth Paz jeem on Dec 24, 2010 15:47:00 GMT -6
im greek orthodox
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Post by sxt701 on Dec 25, 2010 0:00:49 GMT -6
I know these terms and names are not quite appropriate, but we know them and who and what they refer to.
in the beginning god was but he was not. so he became. all was chaos. he then made order of himself. there was light. he created, in his infinite knowledge of himself, a heaven. a refuge. he then made hell. a prison. then, his first creation complete, he made "angels" to help over see all of his smallest and some of his most important tasks that he could not "physically" see to. the angels were god's first "children" and they had all of his love. its all they knew from the very beginning. and in his wisdom he saw his error. because they were created as "perfect beings" they did not strive, had no need, and RIGHTFULLY knew they were great. they had modesty because he commanded it. they obeyed because of love. but not because they understood. from life, love; and visa-versa.
And so god made man, and he commanded all of heaven and creation: love them more than you love me. Lucifer could not understand and refused, even god, to love us. he was cast down. in hell his anger grew and in a sort of abandond madness he made demons. tools to hlep him in his goal to prove us unworthy.
now I say, what reason would god ask so much of his angles...but not for to teach them the same thing all parents want there first born to learn. that a new child is selfish, fragile, prone to mistakes. but the potential is unbelievable.
because man was made imperfect, they could BECOME great, with help, and be everything that the agles were born as. and more. from imperfection comes failure. from failure, success. from success, evolution.
all things die. who's in charge when god must leaves us? Angles, satan, or us?
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Post by lokidreaming on Dec 28, 2010 21:36:04 GMT -6
I read someway years ago the Lucifer's name before he fell was Lucibel.
Any one can shed some light of this?
Belief Is Reality Loki Dreaming
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