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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 6, 2010 12:56:46 GMT -6
Is self-separation necessary? If so, then what's the best way to separate from yourself? Lastly, have you done this?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by lhpinitiate on Dec 6, 2010 16:34:02 GMT -6
Define self-separation or what you mean by that.
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 8, 2010 17:43:25 GMT -6
I see self separation as a necessary practice to begin on the road to objective consciousness. To see oneself from the outside and the interactions of the human organism within one's surroundings and interactions, preferably unbiased, is also a step to greater self awareness. Self remembering is a also a very important part of this. What is the best way to do this? Try viewing your body, mind and emotions as just that. A body, mind and emotion. Not necessarily you, but a thing you can experience. This should allow a sense of separation to occur. De-identification, although some might say is anti-human, has the value of viewing the experience as an outsider, to view what's happening with more clarity, rather than being enmeshed in the experience, therefore a separation requiring self remembering can enable this experience without losing oneself. Another way is to view your organism from the outside is from an aerial view. This can be as simple as looking down on yourself from a higher vantage point like a building, seeing yourself walking along a road and seeing your connection to the surroundings, or perhaps further up on a planetary scale or a view from outside the atmosphere of planet earth. The latter one will also enable you to see how insignificant a single persons negative emotion would be on a larger scale. From such a high vantage point, do the things we really worry about have any cosmic significance? Isn't the only way forward from that view to begin to behave in a way that benefits ourselves and others? As being viewed, like we would ants, only efforts and Work to do something profound and beneficial would hold any significance. This can also be a way of justifying behaviors of a negative nature as holding no real cosmic significance, as to indulge in them more frequently, so care should be taken to hold on to some kind of ethical ideal and beneficial rational self interest. Yes, I have tried this, High Priest Satanis. I could go into more detail but this is short analysis regarding your questions. Awesome questions they are. By his Loathsome Tentacles! Dark Prism Brief though it may be, I found your answer to the point and very close to my own thinking as a Man # 4. After I'm finished with this, I'll be adding your sentiments to The Directory of Awesome Posts.
However, Girard Haven had an alternative methodology for separating from oneself in Creating a Soul.
Trust the teacher above all things. For he is the representative of Higher Forces.
That idea reinforces the need for a conscious school. It also should make students apprehensive. Not just anyone can teach The Work, as I'm sure all will agree. Once the conscience and consciousness of a teacher, or leader, has been verified it behooves the student to learn... trusting in the teacher, deferring to his understanding and judgement when necessary.
If that is not the case, then please, anyone, tell me how it will help the student who struggles against not only himself and this world but the teacher as well?Self-separation is dividing oneself.
First a division between the object (you) and observer, then further divisions can be made... dividing oneself into physical, emotional, and intellectual centers... dividing attention between multiple points... comprehending The Work from various angles, and so on.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by darkprism on Dec 9, 2010 5:24:22 GMT -6
Thankyou for this honor and feedback Lord Satanis.
I would say this is a correct methodology, particularly within the Fourth Way ideology as well as other forms or schools of Esoteric thought. One can become despondent and confused quite often pursuing these paths 'flying solo', without aid from a more conscious teacher to challenge, guide and lift up over rocky terrain every once in a while. There is also a need for the student to guide and challenge others as well, not only to reinforce the reality of his struggle and understanding but to assist and help those who wish to become more.
I've had my apprehensions lately, I won't deny that, relating to the 'Decree of Heresy' thread and the loss of two important and great individuals in my opinion, but with all that aside, High Priest Satanis has proven himself a worthy, insightful teacher and leader, capable of guiding his organization through periods of extreme blows. Also, the fact that he represents himself with a calm dignity in the face of extreme opposition and criticism here and on other forums reveals a consciousness attainable only through true Work and efforts on oneself. I also admire the quality of being able to exhibit the criticisms here on the forum, which represents an air of honesty I've not seen in many other LHP organizations, if any at all.
This all relates to Work on oneself and to accept what is. Not too common in the world today.
Awake!
Dark Prism
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Post by symbolicone on Dec 9, 2010 8:50:41 GMT -6
I think all I could add is, watch the movie 'Cashback'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashback_(film)Great movie, just watch the feature film first, no explanation is needed beyond that. Enjoy! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Kai'Sigth
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jan 18, 2011 19:28:18 GMT -6
Try viewing your body, mind and emotions as just that. A body, mind and emotion. Not necessarily you, but a thing you can experience. This should allow a sense of separation to occur. De-identification, although some might say is anti-human, has the value of viewing the experience as an outsider, to view what's happening with more clarity, rather than being enmeshed in the experience, therefore a separation requiring self remembering can enable this experience without losing oneself. Another way is to view your organism from the outside is from an aerial view. This can be as simple as looking down on yourself from a higher vantage point like a building, seeing yourself walking along a road and seeing your connection to the surroundings, or perhaps further up on a planetary scale or a view from outside the atmosphere of planet earth. The latter one will also enable you to see how insignificant a single persons negative emotion would be on a larger scale. From such a high vantage point, do the things we really worry about have any cosmic significance? Isn't the only way forward from that view to begin to behave in a way that benefits ourselves and others? As being viewed, like we would ants, only efforts and Work to do something profound and beneficial would hold any significance. Thank you for the example. It's mental exercises like this that aid me to further grasp certain concepts of the Work. Concepts that I can sometimes find difficult to get around. If you have any more, ones to deal with self-remembering especially, I would love to hear them. Awake! Kai'Sigth Dreaming Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 18, 2011 21:46:58 GMT -6
Try viewing your body, mind and emotions as just that. A body, mind and emotion. Not necessarily you, but a thing you can experience. This should allow a sense of separation to occur. De-identification, although some might say is anti-human, has the value of viewing the experience as an outsider, to view what's happening with more clarity, rather than being enmeshed in the experience, therefore a separation requiring self remembering can enable this experience without losing oneself. Another way is to view your organism from the outside is from an aerial view. This can be as simple as looking down on yourself from a higher vantage point like a building, seeing yourself walking along a road and seeing your connection to the surroundings, or perhaps further up on a planetary scale or a view from outside the atmosphere of planet earth. The latter one will also enable you to see how insignificant a single persons negative emotion would be on a larger scale. From such a high vantage point, do the things we really worry about have any cosmic significance? Isn't the only way forward from that view to begin to behave in a way that benefits ourselves and others? As being viewed, like we would ants, only efforts and Work to do something profound and beneficial would hold any significance. Thank you for the example. It's mental exercises like this that aid me to further grasp certain concepts of the Work. Concepts that I can sometimes find difficult to get around. If you have any more, ones to deal with self-remembering especially, I would love to hear them. Awake! Kai'Sigth Dreaming Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu I have benefited from this as well! Many thanks. Awake!
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Post by darkprism on Jan 19, 2011 14:35:07 GMT -6
Your both welcome, and Herald Kai, I will see what I can come up with over the next few days in regards to your request. I'm glad the post helped wrap your head around things a bit more. Indeed, it was a unique and thought provoking question from our High Priest.
Awake!
Dark Prism
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