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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 26, 2010 16:08:48 GMT -6
Hmm, it would appear that Mr. Sorrell removed the comment I made on his video yesterday. I just re-posted it, but assume it will be taken down again. Anyways, I thought posting his video and my comment below would be instructive, as well as, an opportunity for healthy debate.
"Everything has an inherent 'urge' to be, to grow, to "know" its potential." I disagree with that. An urge to be at the most base, mechanical level I can understand, but the urge to become? Xeper?!?
I believe that LaVey and Gurdjieff were talking about the same thing. Positive, negative, and neutral or reconciling force are all distinct values. If you included the outside observer or the "Leviathan Urge" then it would be more like a quadchotomy, wouldn't it?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu [/b]
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 26, 2010 18:44:20 GMT -6
Hmm, it would appear that Mr. Sorrell removed the comment I made on his video yesterday. I just re-posted it, but assume it will be taken down again. Anyways, I thought posting his video and my comment below would be instructive, as well as, an opportunity for healthy debate.
"Everything has an inherent 'urge' to be, to grow, to "know" its potential." I disagree with that. An urge to be at the most base, mechanical level I can understand, but the urge to become? Xeper?!?
I believe that LaVey and Gurdjieff were talking about the same thing. Positive, negative, and neutral or reconciling force are all distinct values. If you included the outside observer or the "Leviathan Urge" then it would be more like a quadchotomy, wouldn't it?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu [/b] [/quote] I almost hate to do this, but let me link back to page 3 of the thread containing the trichotomy discussion when Beast & Ego were here, and we were discussing the Bridge Perspective. cocthulhu.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fourth&action=display&thread=3746&page=3I still have the same opinion, mostly because anything I've seen trying to explain otherwise hasn't triggered the instinctual reaction of "Ah ha!" That's not to say that I'm not open to it still happening. I think the naturally occurring "product" of two ideas, or opposites, is not the third aspect of the trichotomy. The third aspect is more closely related even to a possible "shock" than to the bridge of the two ideas. And if we are going to bring in all of the different perspectives, then the possibilities are limitless, so why bother discussing them? That line of thinking would eventually lead you to a statement resembling "To each his own" and then, what's the point? I have a question. From my limited LHP interactions and knowledge, I was under the impression that the word "Xeper" is considered an insult. Is that correct, or no? I'm not sure. If so, then maybe your comment was deleted because he thought you were taking a shot at him. I also have a suggestion. If he's deleting your comments, maybe you should video response, and link the response? I don't know how important it is to you to have the discussion with him, but this may be way to do so. Just my two cents... Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 27, 2010 0:55:32 GMT -6
Yeah, I got that sense from his private email. I really don't understand since Xeper means becoming or to become. How could it be an insult unless it came from someone who hated the Temple of Set? Since I've loosely modeled the Cult of Cthulhu on the Church of Satan and Temple of Set, that would be a bizarre association to make.
It really doesn't matter. Jason Sorrell still seems unhappy with me, so I shall endeavor to leave him alone. I believe that's what he wants.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 27, 2010 1:04:56 GMT -6
I used the word "bridge" to describe what I was talking about, but really it isn't a combination of two opposing viewpoints at all. It is actually a separate and distinct position. I only used the word bridge because I was trying to create a consensus or coming together of opposing viewpoints. Why? Because I was trying to avoid what happened with the whole "decree of heresy". Some things are unavoidable.
If you look at a coin, there's heads and tails. Two sides; but the third side isn't the middle of heads and tails. No, the third side is the coin's edge. It is independent of the original duality. That illustrates our (Gurdjieff, LaVey, and myself) definition of trichotomy. Does this make sense?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 27, 2010 23:56:48 GMT -6
Yeah, I got that sense from his private email. I really don't understand since Xeper means becoming or to become. How could it be an insult unless it came from someone who hated the Temple of Set? Since I've loosely modeled the Cult of Cthulhu on the Church of Satan and Temple of Set, that would be a bizarre association to make.
I apologize, but still I'm having a hard time understanding what your message is. I admit to having a limited understanding of the idea of Xeper. However, when I read your comment to Jason's Youtube video, it appeared to me that you were using the word in a negative connotation. Now above, you are saying that you didn't mean it that way because of your connection with the Temple of Set. Maybe if you explain further what you meant when you used the word "Xeper," I will grasp what it is you are trying to get across. It really doesn't matter. Jason Sorrell still seems unhappy with me, so I shall endeavor to leave him alone. I believe that's what he wants.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
I don't know that I agree with you. While he may still be upset with what happened here in the CoC, I don't think he's pushing for a lack of communication. Along with the comment that he deleted, I also read a comment you made, and he publicly agreed with what you were saying. The two of you have common ground that can be pursued collectively if you are both open-minded enough to listen to what the other one is suggesting. I wouldn't, however, expect him to let stand any comment that he perceives as derogatory, even if it's not what is intended, from anyone. Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 28, 2010 11:22:07 GMT -6
I liked it. Pretty informative, good examples. In the Cultists early years it is understandable to carry a rage against the light, & desire to destroy it. Im still at that point lol. But ultimately ascension will be a middle road. When you ascend, you will be at that point. How fantastic it will be to rest with the A:O. To move through the Universe observing the Entropy, the brake down.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 28, 2010 11:29:40 GMT -6
To my knowledge, Xeper has no derogatory connotations. It means "to come into being". Jason was talking about everything having an urge to grow to become what it should be, ideal. At least, that's what I gathered from his Leviathan Urge talk. So my comment was basically... rocks want to come into being? Really? Even plant and animal life doesn't have the consciousness and will in order to self-actualize or reach enlightenment. Xeper?!? Really? Have you thought this through?
That's why I prefer discussing things on the forum, youtube gives you only so much space to argue or clarify. Anyway, if Jason actually believed that I did somehow use Xeper as an insult to him, then why not leave it up there to show everyone that I can be just as negative, immature, and asleep as the average modern Satanist? Wouldn't that just prove his point that I'm actually as common as everyone around me? I don't know, the whole thing just seems fishy, and I can't be bothered with it.
His idea of being neutral is a little too hostile and biased for my taste. I'm not going to engage him in conversation (or Jason King) until they prove to me that they can be civil, accommodating, and respectful.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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