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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 15:53:51 GMT -6
Brothers and sisters,
I want us to resume our work of studying and understanding the 4th way ; for this is a pillar of our religion, and the sake of our soul.
Instead of reading and commenting a book, I suggest a discussion on a particular subject : for example influence, awareness, octave, false personality, ... We could open a tread every 1 or 2 weeks and confront our views on this subject, from different sources and from our own observations and deductions.
I suggest, too, that it will be in another sub-forum who will quickly become a sort of encyclopedia written by us all, an invaluable 4th way / LHP encyclopedia. Who knows, one day it will be published as was "creating a soul" !
How many of you will do that ?
Belief is reality...
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 10, 2010 16:30:45 GMT -6
A 4th way sub-board to this board? What specific focus would it have that would make that preferable to creating new threads every week or two?
I like the idea of resuming our study on Fourth Way subjects. Let's look at octaves next week, alright? Everyone start reading and taking notes right now so we can make it a great discussion on Monday. Comments, suggestions, questions?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 23:32:12 GMT -6
A 4th way sub-board to this board? What specific focus would it have that would make that preferable to creating new threads every week or two?
It's not a necessity, but a sub-board would be about studies of precise and specific subjects such as octave, instead of generalities or for example book's review or 'how the 4th way changed my life'. The aim would be to build an encyclopedia. As books had already been written, when relevant a LHP perspective on these subjects would create something new and probably very interesting. I'm OK to begin Monday with octave, it is a subject I don't understand well and I want to understand everything ! Now is the moment of Awakening.
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Post by lucofthelight on Nov 11, 2010 1:53:48 GMT -6
Excellent, octaves. Should require some research as this is a harder to understand facet of the Work. This should be a great learning experience for everyone.
As a suggestion, perhaps those participating could share an example of The Law of Seven in their own lives to help facilitate a practical understanding.
Awake!
K'ara Kaiul
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Nov 11, 2010 7:49:27 GMT -6
A 4th way sub-board to this board? What specific focus would it have that would make that preferable to creating new threads every week or two?
It's not a necessity, but a sub-board would be about studies of precise and specific subjects such as octave, instead of generalities or for example book's review or 'how the 4th way changed my life'. The aim would be to build an encyclopedia. As books had already been written, when relevant a LHP perspective on these subjects would create something new and probably very interesting. I'm OK to begin Monday with octave, it is a subject I don't understand well and I want to understand everything ! Now is the moment of Awakening. Ok I know this is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway...what is an octave??? Awake!
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Post by formallyknownasczhanjeem on Nov 11, 2010 8:25:56 GMT -6
Great idea brother this will definatly be a great contribution to the forum! Hail Satanis Hail Cthulhu!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2010 13:46:34 GMT -6
Ok I know this is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway...what is an octave??? Awake! According to Gurdjieff when progressing on anything, from a state to a superior one you have to climb an octave as in music : do, ré, mi, fa, sol, la, si, do... and some steps are more difficult, I have trouble understand this just now. Awake.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 11, 2010 15:23:54 GMT -6
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 14, 2010 12:38:38 GMT -6
Next week Octaves, the following week we will be exploring Conscience in detail.
The void approacheth,
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 14, 2010 13:06:41 GMT -6
Excellent Master Venger. But I did feel like I was on acid because of the echo. lol
Awake!
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Nov 14, 2010 17:46:42 GMT -6
Next week Octaves, the following week we will be exploring Conscience in detail.
The void approacheth,
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
Wonderful work, Master! I am looking forward to the next video/lesson. Will you be doing a bunch more o these? Awake!
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Post by talek on Nov 17, 2010 17:55:10 GMT -6
This is something I have never fully understood, the octave. The musical notes..wish you could do a beginners course..just not on this but the fourth way in general. Awake Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 17, 2010 19:28:05 GMT -6
Master Satanis, I read through the links. What are your thoughts on the Fifth Way idea? When the stars are right! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 18, 2010 14:06:27 GMT -6
Actually, Shawn Hartnell brought something to my attention in a related video comment. Though I'm still trying to locate it, Shawn / Ka-plow gives us a quote from Jesus, "I have given you wisdom like unto a ladder." Remember, there is esoteric wisdom buried within the christian bible's Gospels.
Take, for example, a person's desire to obtain a better job. Now, let's separate the steps required to make that change into 8 levels or rungs on a ladder. Each step from writing a resume to asking friends about job opportunities gets that person a little bit farther up the Octave. The 8th level is getting the better job, however, that in itself presents a new host of desires/problems such as how to make the most of one's new job. So, the 8th rung on the ladder is actually the first rung of an entirely new ladder. This means that almost everything works according to the Law of Seven, an idea just as important as the Law of Three. Does this make sense?
For a beginners course on the 4th Way, I suggest reading The Psychology of Man's Possible Evolution, In Search of the Miraculous, and The Fourth Way all by P.D. Ouspensky and in the order I just listed.
That's precisely what I asked T.C. and Jason Sorrell last week. No response so far.
I'm not sure what I think about a possible 5th way, at the moment. It's intriguing. Is the 4th Way enough? Is there room for improvement or evolution of the system? Is the Cthulhu Cult's understanding and pursuit of The Great Work similar to what the author of that article suspected about the 5th way? With so little to go on, I've come to a wall. Will do more investigation.
What are your thoughts?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 18, 2010 22:24:53 GMT -6
That's precisely what I asked T.C. and Jason Sorrell last week. No response so far. I was under the impression that the CoC was moving away from the influences that TC & Jason provided in this forum. What is your motivation for including them in this discussion and your gathering of knowledge? I'm not sure what I think about a possible 5th way, at the moment. It's intriguing. Is the 4th Way enough? Is there room for improvement or evolution of the system? Is the Cthulhu Cult's understanding and pursuit of The Great Work similar to what the author of that article suspected about the 5th way? With so little to go on, I've come to a wall. Will do more investigation.
What are your thoughts? I think that the Fourth Way is no more limiting or limitless than any other philosophy or religious views. There can only be limits if you allow them to be there. The Fourth Way provides a good system to build on, but it certainly should not be viewed as the only system or all of the system. Doing so would prevent opportunities for evolution, and that's not what we want to cultivate here, is it? One of the major things I disagree with in the article is that they liken the Fourth Way to a void. If one of the theories of the Fourth Way is that you cannot escape all influences and you cannot leave one influence without subjecting yourself to another one, then how can the Fourth Way be a void? We are the sum total of all influences that we have experienced. Even if we return to zero and "start fresh," we will still be made up of the life we have lived. It is only in how we choose to utilize those influences while creating our future ones that makes the difference. How does this equal a void? I think it's very much worth looking into further. Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 19, 2010 14:10:31 GMT -6
On the contrary, I see the value in many of their ideas. That's why I approved of the heretical perspective in the first place. It was only how they approached such a direction that I found problematic. The Devil is in the details!
If T.C. and Jason are still pursuing The Work, and I hope they are, then I'm happy to exchange views with them. However, I don't see the compatibility between modern Satanism and the Fourth Way... assuming one doesn't have a conscious bridge such as the Cthulhu Cult.
I agree. There are various Octaves within the Fourth Way. It is also a matter of scale. I think the Fourth Way looks a certain way from Man # 1, 2, or 3... just as it looks completely different from the perspective of a Man #4 or #5. There were many times, years ago, when I could not see the next ascending Octave as Man #4. However, as Man #6, there are many things which now have an emerald transparency.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 20, 2010 21:11:55 GMT -6
On the contrary, I see the value in many of their ideas. That's why I approved of the heretical perspective in the first place. It was only how they approached such a direction that I found problematic. The Devil is in the details!
If T.C. and Jason are still pursuing The Work, and I hope they are, then I'm happy to exchange views with them. However, I don't see the compatibility between modern Satanism and the Fourth Way... assuming one doesn't have a conscious bridge such as the Cthulhu Cult. I understand. However, given the recent discussion on the SIN forum, I don't think TC & Jason are interested in discussing it with you. Returning to the topic, something else that is bothering me about the "Fifth Way" idea is that they discuss how there is no rebuilding efforts in the Fourth Way once someone "returns to zero." I disagree with this. Ouspensky explains in depth that the way to "move up the staircase" is to replace yourself on the step by someone else that has reached your level, usually by putting people in their "school-work" place. By assisting those that are Working on self-remembering, you are also remembering your Self in the process. This strengthens your conscious will and your ability to manifest it. As Ouspensky states in The Fourth Way, "It is childish to think that it can be done by one person transmitting these ideas to another." On the contrary, that person must be at a state where they are also looking to manifest their will to replace themselves on the staircase so that they can take the next step up as well. You cannot "teach" the next person on your path to awakening. You can only help them to remember themselves, and in doing so, you will be reminded to remember your Self. In my opinion, this is one of the most influential "rebuilding efforts" that you can manifest. Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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