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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 18, 2010 10:26:05 GMT -6
What is your definition of enlightenment? Your post seems to go in multiple directions, just trying to get a handle on where you're coming from.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Oct 18, 2010 13:36:34 GMT -6
I think Alba Kalool's answer covers myself as well. At the rvpark that I live in there is a wonderful stretch of wild forest just across the lake. The owner recently cleared some nature trails through there for the park residents to enjoy and let me tell you, he scored some major thanks with me!!!
When I walk through those trails, I can actually feel myself drawing energy from everything around me but not in a draining sense of the word. It's more like I can feel myself "blending" in with the presence of those trees some of which are fifty years old or more. I am extemely aware of myself and my surroundings. It's the only time I actually feel stronger and at peace.
Awake!
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 18, 2010 14:05:50 GMT -6
What is your definition of enlightenment? Your post seems to go in multiple directions, just trying to get a handle on where you're coming from.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
Master Satanis, I do agree that my post went into alot of multiple directions, I was trying to cut down on the volume of the post. To me enlightenment is being at peace with myself, the heighten awareness, and the happiness inside. Enlightenment contains alot of different elements but I feel the basics of enlightenment is peace, awareness, happiness. I just feel that one who is enlightened, feels it inside , the essence. I understand I do have alot of work ahead. I got the Fourth Way book today and started reading it. I realize I do have alot of work to do. My post reflects the impact that The Power of Now had on me. I'm curious to see after I finished the Fourth Way book and start to apply the work, how much it will impact me. I'm sure it will reflect in my future posts. Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 18, 2010 14:15:35 GMT -6
I think Alba Kalool's answer covers myself as well. At the rvpark that I live in there is a wonderful stretch of wild forest just across the lake. The owner recently cleared some nature trails through there for the park residents to enjoy and let me tell you, he scored some major thanks with me!!! When I walk through those trails, I can actually feel myself drawing energy from everything around me but not in a draining sense of the word. It's more like I can feel myself "blending" in with the presence of those trees some of which are fifty years old or more. I am extemely aware of myself and my surroundings. It's the only time I actually feel stronger and at peace. Awake! I totally understand, and its nice to hear from a fellow cultist who understands the beauty thats all around. Its sounds beautiful where you're at. The awareness one has in a place like that is just amazing, if one realizes what they have. When I was younger and lived in the country , I was always outside, and often would lay down and look up at the sky and watch the clouds. Always had a sense that I came elsewhere, not of this earth. It has carried into my adult life as well. Thanks for the post Sarak G'hash! Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by boksmutant on Oct 23, 2010 10:06:30 GMT -6
What your talking about Kalool(since I still dont know how to use the"quote" feature yet) is something very important to me. The Christian experience of being awake or having moments of wakefulness is a cool thing to always remember about your past. They to can achieve a oneness of there"I's" for brief moments. And experience similar sensations to a cultists Enlightenment. They do self observe & self remember as far as I can tell. But its an extremely fucked up version of it. But its real. I remember some of the most relaxed & tranquil moments in my life from those days. The sun seems to be a little gentler on the eyes. Your body doesn't feel as mechanical, but fluid. And you feel a sorta gratefulness for anything around you. Everything around you. I remember trying to hold on to that feeling(no pun intended), but it always crept away by day two. Christians know that feeling. And they yearn for it regularly, as probably we all should. But the experience is not the same. Ive thought about the difference in there version of it vs, say, a cultists perspective of it. And what I came up with, is that where the Christian & the cultist(self deifying) differ is in accountability. The Christian plays the "victim"(when desiring that Enlightenment) & the cultist plays the"willing participant", if not the "commander" of said Enlightenment. This could be the most important difference between the way we seek that beautiful(slimy) beyond. I know I just went on a tangent. But this subject is very important to me to. Your thread Kalool really got my mind spinning. I should have hit "reply" instead of "quick reply" because only my girlfriend knows how to transfer what Ive written. Ill be back:) Oh ya! Like Lord Venger said" What was that moment of Enlightenment like. Or whats your experience with Enlightenment? Awake!
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 23, 2010 11:55:22 GMT -6
What your talking about Kalool(since I still don't know how to use the"quote" feature yet) is something very important to me. The Christian experience of being awake or having moments of wakefulness is a cool thing to always remember about your past. They to can achieve a oneness of there"I's" for brief moments. And experience similar sensations to a cultists Enlightenment. They do self observe & self remember as far as I can tell. But its an extremely fucked up version of it. But its real. I remember some of the most relaxed & tranquil moments in my life from those days. The sun seems to be a little gentler on the eyes. Your body doesn't feel as mechanical, but fluid. And you feel a sorta gratefulness for anything around you. Everything around you. I remember trying to hold on to that feeling(no pun intended), but it always crept away by day two. Christians know that feeling. And they yearn for it regularly, as probably we all should. But the experience is not the same. Ive thought about the difference in there version of it vs, say, a cultists perspective of it. And what I came up with, is that where the Christian & the cultist(self deifying) differ is in accountability. The Christian plays the "victim"(when desiring that Enlightenment) & the cultist plays the"willing participant", if not the "commander" of said Enlightenment. This could be the most important difference between the way we seek that beautiful(slimy) beyond. I know I just went on a tangent. But this subject is very important to me to. Your thread Kalool really got my mind spinning. I should have hit "reply" instead of "quick reply" because only my girlfriend knows how to transfer what Ive written. Ill be back:) Oh ya! Like Lord Venger said" What was that moment of Enlightenment like. Or whats your experience with Enlightenment? Awake! The enlightenment for me was just being one with everything, but more importantly being aware of everything. Everything has life to it, so i would walk out the door and was hit with everything that was outside. No joke, it was that strong. Now doing self observation and self remembering I find myself getting close to where I was at, but this all different in itself. Christians views are rather fucked up and one don't have to follow what they want you to either. I've read about some studies that were done that when people would do good, go out of the way doing good, it would have a profound effect on their mind and how they would act and treat people. That got me thinking and then along the way I found the CoC, and then The Fourth Way, which I learned that the CoC was in fact a Fourth Way school. So I'm still new to everything here but I'm close to the enlightenment that I had, but more importantly I'll have done it thru hard work and the help of everyone involved here in the CoC. Glad to hear it got your mind going, cause to me the CoC being a Fourth Way school is what seperates us from everyone else. We are trying to be more than what we are! Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by boksmutant on Oct 24, 2010 23:42:59 GMT -6
I once broke down after a few years of excessive drug use, & in the midst of praying that Id change my life, I had an awakening of sorts. Is this what your describing as a moment of Enlightenment?
The experience worked because I did quite & did change my life. Is your experience similar?
Awake!
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 25, 2010 4:36:07 GMT -6
I once broke down after a few years of excessive drug use, & in the midst of praying that Id change my life, I had an awakening of sorts. Is this what your describing as a moment of Enlightenment? The experience worked because I did quite & did change my life. Is your experience similar? Awake! Yeah kinda similar but the enlightenment was at that moment, but it carried on for months after that. I too broke down and had a life changing moment, alot of people have the same experience. Around the same time Head from Korn had a break down of sorts and gave his life to Christ. Now its been some years for him and he has often stated now that back then he was alittle crazy about the whole thing . Today he still believes but he is not as crazy about as he once was.It worked for him cause it saved his life. I know we can have the same awakening in self observation, and self remembering, well not the same but better. Faith doesn't enter into self remembering but doesn't mean you can't have it. Faith in the Old Ones. Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by boksmutant on Oct 25, 2010 8:58:04 GMT -6
Id love to hear from others what occurs in the christian/religious mind during these mock Enlightened/ Enlightening moments in regards to The Fourth Way. What is happening? Its similar to being "saved" & most religions have there own version of it. It is of course chemical. But the area of the mind they access is their own higher power. I wonder what that higher power thinks about the experience?Is it just glad to being spoken to regardless of the intent? And the sensation that runs over the body. That brief relationship & union for maybe the first time. Totally winning over the subjects rational mind.
I wonder where pain fits into it. If I remember correctly, it was my own forced, mental agony that produced the effect of being "saved". So thats what Im getting at.
What occurs in that moment of forced awakening?
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by beastx on Oct 25, 2010 15:40:03 GMT -6
Id love to hear from others what occurs in the christian/religious mind during these mock Enlightened/ Enlightening moments in regards to The Fourth Way. What is happening? Its similar to being "saved" & most religions have there own version of it. It is of course chemical. But the area of the mind they access is their own higher power. I wonder what that higher power thinks about the experience?Is it just glad to being spoken to regardless of the intent? And the sensation that runs over the body. That brief relationship & union for maybe the first time. Totally winning over the subjects rational mind. I wonder where pain fits into it. If I remember correctly, it was my own forced, mental agony that produced the effect of being "saved". So thats what Im getting at. What occurs in that moment of forced awakening? Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
Alright, I'll bite. "Enlightened/Enlightening moments" are points of realizing a 'truth'. This phenomenon happens universally and is not restricted to 'religion' or 'philosophy'. There are a few major problems within the context of 'truths' . A 'truth' is completely subjective, even within instances in which there are logical, statistical, and data supported evidence to suggest otherwise. Because of the subjective nature of 'truth', it can easily be misunderstood or mis-perceived. Man's mind can be fooled and has been fooled time and time again. I believe this is why Gurdjieff spoke not of Enlightenment but of Awakening.
'Truths' are dangerous for one seeking higher being. They trick us into making them too solid, instead of allowing them to be fluid and organic in their expression.
The above short quote says way more than it at first seems to. What are we really talking about when we say "one must know what truth is and what a lie is, and first of all in oneself"? What we see mentioned is Understanding. Understandings are fluid constructs, unlike the stale and stagnant former. Taking on a much more objective role within our minds. Objective because the Force of Reconciliation is put into action.
I do however realize you simply asked what 'occurs'... My simple reply; they Imagine themselves being 'Enlightened' in trade for simply Understanding....
Any questions?
Awake!
Beast Xeno First Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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