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Post by andrewbloodworth on Sept 30, 2010 9:33:33 GMT -6
Anyone see or hear about the new reality show called sister wives? About polygamy relationship, it deals with one guy and like four wives. Been causing a uproar on the news. I haven't seen it yet, it airs on tlc. Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn
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Post by xiaogui17 on Oct 1, 2010 11:11:36 GMT -6
I Googled the show (they are a fundamentalist Mormon family) and noticed that it has spurred a felony investigation. www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/01/polygamy-show-features-a-_n_746326.htmlBack when Mormonism was new, legislation was passed against polygamy , including the federal Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act (1862), Edmunds Act (1882), and the Edmunds-Tucker Act (1887). The Edmunds-Tucker (an amendment to Morrill including sanctions specifically targeting the LDS church) was repealed in 1978, but the overall ban on polygamy remains, precedented by the U.S. v. Reynolds case which has yet to be overturned. In addition, Utah itself banned polygamy in 1890 in an effort to gain statehood and mainstream acceptance. Many in this day and age consider these sanctions against polygamy unconstitutional, but the courts upheld that federal law may ban a practice mandated by a particular religion so long as the ban in neutral in regards to the religion practicing it. (For example, they can't ban the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but they could ban eating meatballs so long as they never mentioned FSM in that ban. This neutral amendment would ban anyone, FSM or otherwise, from eating meatballs.) There were some legitimate reasons for the prohibition. Because Mormon polygamy was one-sided (polygyny but no polyandry), Mormons were running out of women. Thus it often involved under-aged girls with much older men, some of whom were not always willing or informed that they had other options. In this day and age, this is no longer applicable in most cases (clearly not in the case of the TLC show), but it persists on isolated fundamentalist ranches which are occasionally raided (like Warren Jeffs's). It will be interesting to see how this all goes down. If fundamentalist Mormons can bring this issue to a head and get the Supreme Court to overturn the previous sanction, it will be a good step towards empowering the cult's own agenda. Fundamentalist Mormons mostly keep to themselves, so I had my doubts as to whether this would ever become enough of an issue to be altered, but if an AUB family is getting their own reality show, it may help. When the stars are right!
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 1, 2010 11:45:28 GMT -6
I Googled the show (they are a fundamentalist Mormon family) and noticed that it has spurred a felony investigation. www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/01/polygamy-show-features-a-_n_746326.htmlBack when Mormonism was new, legislation was passed against polygamy , including the federal Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act (1862), Edmunds Act (1882), and the Edmunds-Tucker Act (1887). The Edmunds-Tucker (an amendment to Morrill including sanctions specifically targeting the LDS church) was repealed in 1978, but the overall ban on polygamy remains, precedented by the U.S. v. Reynolds case which has yet to be overturned. In addition, Utah itself banned polygamy in 1890 in an effort to gain statehood and mainstream acceptance. Many in this day and age consider these sanctions against polygamy unconstitutional, but the courts upheld that federal law may ban a practice mandated by a particular religion so long as the ban in neutral in regards to the religion practicing it. (For example, they can't ban the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but they could ban eating meatballs so long as they never mentioned FSM in that ban. This neutral amendment would ban anyone, FSM or otherwise, from eating meatballs.) There were some legitimate reasons for the prohibition. Because Mormon polygamy was one-sided (polygyny but no polyandry), Mormons were running out of women. Thus it often involved under-aged girls with much older men, some of whom were not always willing or informed that they had other options. In this day and age, this is no longer applicable in most cases (clearly not in the case of the TLC show), but it persists on isolated fundamentalist ranches which are occasionally raided (like Warren Jeffs's). It will be interesting to see how this all goes down. If fundamentalist Mormons can bring this issue to a head and get the Supreme Court to overturn the previous sanction, it will be a good step towards empowering the cult's own agenda. Fundamentalist Mormons mostly keep to themselves, so I had my doubts as to whether this would ever become enough of an issue to be altered, but if an AUB family is getting their own reality show, it may help. When the stars are right! Thanks for that post, very interesting to see how it does play out. I saw that he's legally married to only one of the woman, the others they had a special ceremony for them. I can't see them getting into trouble with law. One being they're on a reality show, and two they're all of are of age. Lastly being married to only one legally, i just don't see anything happening to them. It will for sure be interesting, keeping my eye on it. Thanks for the post, you done your research. Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by xiaogui17 on Oct 1, 2010 12:32:13 GMT -6
If he had attempted to legally marry all 4 of them, this would be de jure polygamy, or an attempt to get government recognition of his relationship dynamic, and naturally this would not go through. We may think that de facto polygamy (cohabiting with multiple "wives" who are legally nothing but girlfriends) would be acceptable, but sanctions actually do prohibit de facto polygamy as well. I guess lots of Mormons tried to get around the law by practicing de facto polygamy, and legislators responded by essentially making it illegal to have more than one girlfriend at a time.
It's similar to old-fashioned sodomy laws. We may think so long as a gay man doesn't attempt to marry his boyfriend (gay marriage being not legally recognized), the government wouldn't care if two men pack fudge together. But up until recently, there were laws against homosexual sodomy in the state of Texas, and two men (Lawrence and Garner) were actually arrested and convicted for boinking one another in the privacy of their own home. Lawrence vs Texas struck down the Texas sodomy laws as unconstitutional under the equal protection clause. In order to get polygamy sanctions removed, we would need a similar case.
No doubt the bans on polygamy are all kinds of unconstitutional, but they are rarely enforced, so no one has bothered to get rid of them. Here's hoping this new show and investigation helps uproot that blue law where it stands.
By His loathsome tentacles!
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 1, 2010 13:24:20 GMT -6
Very well put, it'll be interesting to see if they don't pull the plug on this show. Whatever happens they got there 15 min. of fame. Look forward to reading some of your other posts! Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 1, 2010 15:59:09 GMT -6
And there's also Big Love which isn't a reality show but an actual HBO drama based on a polygamist family in Utah starring Bill Paxton.
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 1, 2010 16:49:36 GMT -6
And there's also Big Love which isn't a reality show but an actual HBO drama based on a polygamist family in Utah starring Bill Paxton.
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Master Satanis i forgot about that one lol. Not bad, i seen it a few times. I have a feeling polygamy will become more of norm. in the not so distance future. Shall be interesting. Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Oct 7, 2010 9:43:13 GMT -6
Just heard on the news that the family on the show Sister Wives May be charged. It seems bigamy is a felony in Utah, if convicted all of them could face up to 5 years in prison.
Pretty crazy huh?
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Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by xiaogui17 on Oct 8, 2010 10:23:35 GMT -6
Just heard on the news that the family on the show Sister Wives May be charged. It seems bigamy is a felony in Utah, if convicted all of them could face up to 5 years in prison. Pretty crazy huh? Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn! Crazy, indeed. I do hope they appeal and fight the charges if convicted. Mainstream Mormon culture has a tendency to roll over and acquiesce to the laws of the land, but here's hoping the Apostolic United Brethren have a bit more fighting spirit. When the stars are right!
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