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Post by quantumtraveler on Sept 3, 2010 18:27:10 GMT -6
What are the benefits of having sex with numerous women? This includes having sex with one woman then another right after her and so with any of them knowing or not knowing what you were doing (them knowing isn't intended as a part of the question); have fun with numerous women at once such as a thresome or foursome etc., and/or have a polygamous relationship which means either having two or more girlfriends at once and/or having two or more wives at once etc. What are the spiritual benefits of this kind of relationship? Why is that the LHP seems to go more towards polygamy and the such? No need to answer the questiona bout the LHP if the LHP is simply about indulging yourself in earthly/worldy desire etc. Nonetheless, what are the spiritual benefits of having sex with numerous partners rather than just getting laid and getting adifferent piece of tail every night. It should be understood that I am not using certain language here for derogatory meaning nor am I seeking this kind of relationship per se. I am just interested as to why LHP practitioners seek sex with numerous women. I mean, you could always fall in love (which may or may not heed well here in the Cult as well as the LHP) or want to build a relationship with a single person. Sex, to me, would become meaningless if you persued many different women in your life time!
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by hartnell on Sept 3, 2010 23:25:55 GMT -6
To quote baba brinkman, "We've got a short-term mating dance up in here."
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 4, 2010 17:47:40 GMT -6
Ok, let me tackle this last bit first.
To me, that's like saying ice cream becomes meaningless if you pursue many different flavors in one's lifetime. Why meaningless? Positive or negative, sure. But I can't see how sexual experiences eventually become meaningless. Supposing you had sex with 1,000 different women, the relative meaning of just 1 of those sexual partners might lessen compared to the remaining 999. However, I have a difficult time seeing how the pursuit of variety renders the sexual act meaningless.
Off the top of my head: variety, acquiring experience and skills, pleasure, increased availability of sex, greater chance of having all of one's sexual needs met, engaging in multiple close personal relationships simultaneously, and genetic diversity of spawn.
Not all of these will apply to everyone, but potentially those are the up-sides, in my view.
I suppose one has the opportunity to have a spiritual connection with a greater variety of people than one otherwise would. If having a spiritual connection with a single person is good, then would being spiritually connected to three people be better? Assuming there quality didn't suffer, then I'd say yes. Too much of a good thing? You could make a case for that, but I don't know too many people who would buy it. Yet, when it comes to sexual relationships, society seems to be extremely prejudiced. Unlike a debate over ice cream.
Love and polygamy are not mutually exclusive. People are capable of loving multiple people at the same time. Also, plenty of LHP practitioners are happy in monogamous coupledom. I'm fine with what anyone wants to do with their sexual life. But when the freedom to have polygamous relations is opposed, that's when I put my oar in the water.
By His loathsome tentacle,
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by hartnell on Sept 4, 2010 22:21:53 GMT -6
Is your thinking here 'more is better'? Does one size really fit all?
Secondly, appealing to the opinions of an amorphous group of people is a form of seeking social proof. Go ahead. Make your case.
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Post by quantumtraveler on Sept 5, 2010 10:31:25 GMT -6
Ok, let me tackle this last bit first.
To me, that's like saying ice cream becomes meaningless if you pursue many different flavors in one's lifetime. Why meaningless? Positive or negative, sure. But I can't see how sexual experiences eventually become meaningless. Supposing you had sex with 1,000 different women, the relative meaning of just 1 of those sexual partners might lessen compared to the remaining 999. However, I have a difficult time seeing how the pursuit of variety renders the sexual act meaningless.I agree that the many different sexual experiences you have with many different women will probably not lessen over time compared to being with just one woman because our natural urges would get in the way and we would desire more! The thing here, from my own point of view, is that I should have expressed WHAT sex is to me in depth. Sex in general is a natural part of life but for me, I prefer to search for that one special somebody instead of experiencing many partners even though that urge is most definitely there! Why don't I indulge it? Only I know for sure and exactly why I don't know. Sex is spiritual in the long run, or at least to me it is. Keeping your options open is always a good idea but for me I think there are limits to things. I am not saying you, Lord Satanis, is wrong nor am I, Serbahk Nect, saying that I am right. I personally believe that women as anyone else are individuals not as you may have suggested, a world of different flavored ice cream waiting to be tasted or to taste other flavors. Thank you however for sharing your views on that bit of information. Off the top of my head: variety, acquiring experience and skills, pleasure, increased availability of sex, greater chance of having all of one's sexual needs met, engaging in multiple close personal relationships simultaneously, and genetic diversity of spawn.
Not all of these will apply to everyone, but potentially those are the up-sides, in my view.
Well, Lord Satanis, you have most definitely made a good argument! I suppose one has the opportunity to have a spiritual connection with a greater variety of people than one otherwise would. If having a spiritual connection with a single person is good, then would being spiritually connected to three people be better? Assuming there quality didn't suffer, then I'd say yes. Too much of a good thing? You could make a case for that, but I don't know too many people who would buy it. Yet, when it comes to sexual relationships, society seems to be extremely prejudiced. Unlike a debate over ice cream.Your being honest, Lord Satanis, so I will be honest also just as you are not turning to judgment nor will I but I, as you do as well, will present an opinion, Lord Satanis. (I am trying to call you by your proper title but it might get a bit annoying if I constantly did so every time I directed something to you, Lord Satanis. So, I hope that I am not breaking any forum rules!). I appreciate your forwardness here but for me the people that "wouldn't buy it" (reference to being with more than one person would be too much of a good thing) wouldn't buy it because of their own self indulgent and chauvinistic nature. I understand that some LHP practitioners revere this way of living over what is commonly accepted as RHP. I am neither a follower of the LHP nor RHP but an alternative mixture of both. Before you ask, "how can that be?" understand (to all and not just High Priest Venger As'Nas Satanis) that I said "alternative." Simply, because something looks better doesn't mean it is. It may be good in the short run but could turn badly in the long run. Then people have the misconception of something being good when it is not beneficial whatsoever and when I say "beneficial" I mean in a spiritual manner and not a physical one. This is also true for the physical issue as well. Sex with numerous partners is by far anything but NEW; maybe new to certain things but not new in general and yes, Lord Satanis, I know you didn't make that claim. Yes, society is prejudiced at times when it comes to sexual relationships and just sex in general but coming from my own personal experience in life I have came to the conclusion that sometimes people (LHP or RHP) take things TOO FAR or NOT FAR ENOUGH and sometimes both but in different categories of the subject. Sex is fore mostly a natural activity and is ultimately used in nature for procreation then you got enlightenment etc. for spiritual usage of sex. Sex is, to me, about union of opposites or union of the same for homosexual relationships and not about (I am NOT directing this as an attack!) control over the opposite or even same sex. Sex is an issue that has not been fully accepted in all of its avenues even as possibility by a great deal of people in this world! People got it all wrong when they started saying that we were animals so we need to act like animals and/or allow our animalistic urges to erupt to the surface even when there was responsibility exercised! People got it wrong when they said, we are more than animals and need to evolve to a higher state of consciousness etc. They were wrong in this assumption because they left behind the importance of natural and animalistic aspects of who we are. With the first example of how they got it wrong, we were becoming slaves to our inner selves that were exactly the things we were trying to escape from. We need to have a conscious mind and to act like a ravaging beast without reason! Even though at times that would seem to be the accurate way to act! With the second example we would have become mindless slaves that blindly walked into the light! We need a balance of specific aspects of each then alter and add things to fit our own goals which are not to indulge without meaningful reason but to indulge within that which is most crucial to our being! We must be ourselves, yes, we have many different "I"s within ourselves but we also are individual beings on the outside. We learn as humans we are bound to emotion by the universe or demiurgic rule etc. but why should we stop there? Why shouldn't we accept that we are bound by this force to these forces while understanding how to use our slave masters own whip against him and free ourselves in the process! We are the creator and not the created! This leads me back to what we were originally saying; we are the creator therefore we have the ability to create what we need and what we are hence a relationship!? Maybe this was my way of rambling on and understanding myself better! Thank you, Lord Satanis, for maybe if it was not for you replying to my post, I may never have came to this realization or at least not anytime soon! When the Stars are Right! Love and polygamy are not mutually exclusive. People are capable of loving multiple people at the same time. Also, plenty of LHP practitioners are happy in monogamous coupledom. I'm fine with what anyone wants to do with their sexual life. But when the freedom to have polygamous relations is opposed, that's when I put my oar in the water.
By His loathsome tentacle,
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
Ok, now we are getting somewhere else. What exactly do you, Lord Satanis, mean when you say, "People are capable of loving multiple people at the same time." Do you mean to say that Love is sexual? or that Love is Love? That people can love (as in family love, brotherly/sisterly love (as in fraternal brothers and sorornal sisters) etc.) multiple people at the same time? For me Love is Love and it is anything but bound to a single issue or meaning. Love is what you feel in your heart (I know that you can't actually feel anything in your heart per se but figuratively speaking) or rather Love is a strong emotion that you feel when around certain people such as family and/or a special somebody. That special somebody being a person that you can't get out of your head, every time you think of her/him or see them you get whats called "butterflies in your stomach" etc. I have to ask, being me, and ask myself, How do I/we/you (Lord Satanis) know that this isn't actually some destructive plot created by the universe to rule over our sex lives and or life in general? I also want to say your (Lord Satanis) ultimately right when you say, "But when the freedom to have polygamous relations is opposed, that's when I put my oar in the water." I agree that it is wrong to oppose anything but it is crucial to understand that just because something allows you to have more of something that you already possess and feel happy or good about, doesn't mean its ultimately for you or that it is ultimately beneficial in general. Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn! Ia Ia Cult of Cthulhu! Ia Ia Shub Niggurath!
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Sept 5, 2010 10:32:37 GMT -6
Open relationships, of one form or another, have been around for centuries. In the United States, the idea that polyamory, or even just sex outside of the relationship, is wrong is derived from social pressures relating to the influence of the Christian movement. Our society holds this stigma over our heads that sex with someone other than our spouse, as well as having more than one spouse, is wrong.
Statistics are hard to pinpoint because not everyone that actually strays is willing to admit it. However, it doesn't come as a surprise to me that the majority of marriages that end do so because of infidelity. While I agree that infidelity can lead to disaster, there is no reason why two mature adults cannot have an open line of communication about sexual wants and needs. If one person in the relationship desires to be deviant of the "normal" sexual routines in any way, their spouse or significant other should be the first person to hear about it. It requires an open-mind and level of maturity that shouldn't be difficult for cultists to awaken to.
This is not to say that an open relationship is right for everyone. There is a place for monogamy as well. However, if your monogamous spouse turns to you one day and asks you how you would feel about them sleeping with someone else, don't freak out. Feel complimented that your partner came to you with this request openly, trusting that you would be able to have that mature conversation with them, and listen to what they need. Be open to the conversation. You may be surprised and delighted at the outcome. Some people may only be looking for more attention. Some people may be looking to perform a sexual act that they didn't think you would be comfortable with. Give your partner the opportunity to express themselves.
For me, my tastes have changed with age and experience. Where I'm at now... multiple sex partners is like another toy in the bedroom for us to play with. I enjoy bringing in, or having him bring in, other people for us to play with. It gives a different dynamic to our sex life that I appreciate. Watching him have sex with another women doesn't mean he doesn't love me or appreciate me in any way. It's just him fulfilling a carnal desire. And if he wants to do that when I'm not around, why the hell not? As long as it remains an open-line of communication between us as to who is doing what with whom and when, why would there need to be any limitations? There are requests that may be made from one of us that don't get fulfilled, but the reasoning behind it is discussed and agreed upon.
Life is too short to worry about restricting the person you love the most. Remain open and awakened to your partner's desires, regardless of the number of partners you end up with.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by quantumtraveler on Sept 5, 2010 11:52:20 GMT -6
Open relationships, of one form or another, have been around for centuries. In the United States, the idea that polyamory, or even just sex outside of the relationship, is wrong is derived from social pressures relating to the influence of the Christian movement. Our society holds this stigma over our heads that sex with someone other than our spouse, as well as having more than one spouse, is wrong. Statics are hard to pinpoint because not everyone that actually strays is willing to admit it. However, it doesn't come as a surprise to me that the majority of marriages that end do so because of infidelity. While I agree that infidelity can lead to disaster, there is no reason why two mature adults cannot have an open line of communication about sexual wants and needs. If one person in the relationship desires to be deviant of the "normal" sexual routines in any way, their spouse or significant other should be the first person to hear about it. It requires an open-mind and level of maturity that shouldn't be difficult for a cultists to awaken to. This is not to say that an open relationship is right for everyone. There is a place for monogamy as well. However, if your monogamous spouse turns to you one day and asks you how you would feel about them sleeping with someone else, don't freak out. Feel complimented that your partner came to you with this request openly, trusting that you would be able to have that mature conversation with them, and listen to what they need. Be open to the conversation. You may be surprised and delighted at the outcome. Some people may only be looking for more attention. Some people may be looking to perform a sexual act that they didn't think you would be comfortable with. Give your partner the opportunity to express themselves. For me, my tastes have changed with age and experience. Where I'm at now... multiple sex partners is like another toy in the bedroom for us to play with. I enjoy bringing in, or having him bring in, other people for us to play with. It gives a different dynamic to our sex life that I appreciate. Watching him have sex with another women doesn't mean he doesn't love me or appreciate me in any way. It's just him fulfilling a carnal desire. And if he wants to do that when I'm not around, why the hell not? As long as it remains an open-line of communication between us as to who is doing what with whom and when, why would there need to be any limitations? There are requests that may be made from one of us that don't get fulfilled, but the reasoning behind it is discussed and agreed upon. Life is too short to worry about restricting the person you love the most. Remain open and awakened to your partner's desires, regardless of the number of partners you end up with. Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu I agree that it is better when your partner comes to you about wanting to have sexual relationships withsome else rather than going out and having sex with some else behind your back. A healthy relationship should be open to new ideas but not forced into nor should there be guilt about it whether if its sexual or not. Personally for me it is not necessary nor is it proper to have a relationship solely based on sex because your feeding your own carnal desires. The fact that your feeding your carnal desires isn't bad but that it leads to destruction of yourself and others, at times. Even if two or more people were fully mature and understanding had a polygamous relationship it would still be improper. You might think I am being close minded and immature about this but for you do say that would in fact prove your own close mindedness to understand me and what I really mean. Not that your jumping to that conclusion though. I am not saying that it is wrong in general to have sex with numerous partners, I just think its unnecessary and improper. I understand that polygamy is an avenue that shouldn't be shunned but as far as I am concerned, sex is spiritual and should only be accompanied by True Heart Felt Love which is NOT carnal desire. The problem I have with the LHP is that they indulge themselves in whatever they want until they run into a problem such as having a partner that isn't comfortable with performing a certain act, so they find an escape route while the partner with the issue allows it. This is problematic on a twofold basis. One, the person with the issue would rather let their partner have sex with someone else rather than look within themselves and rectify their inner issue. Just because they have a problem performing a certain sexual act probably isn't really stemming from a sexual distaste for that act but something deeper and is projecting it else into anything that can slightly associated with it. Two, the other person has absolutely no true genuine care for their partner that has the issue. They are only concerned in fulfilling their carnal desire rather than helping that other person out with their own issue. They are nothing more than a self indulged pig! Just to keep the reminder up, I am only stating an opinion and that last bit was not a personal attack. An issue I have with problems of the LHP which I just described, is that they want more of something good and no one who truely enjoys sex will say sex is bad unless there is obviously some religious fanatic thing like False Christianity going on. Someone that is seeking sex with numerous partners wants a different taste of things but that is only a way to cover up something else. Why indulge yourself within different women or men when you can find someone that ultimately fulfills your desires? When it is so much better in every possible way oppsed to being with numerous women/men. Or to simply create that life with someone? People say that it is a disease of the mind when society says its wrong to have sex with more than one person or numerous people at once or while your in a relationship but what makes the thought of rejecting this and accepting the thought of numerous partners as ok, ok? What doesn't make that thought also a disease of the mind? Why don't people ever just realize that sometimes the things they do is a part of something deeper? something psychological? Maybe the following the LHP is no safer than following the RHP because the people that do are at times no more than slaves and allowing themselves to be ignorant of their inner issues when they think they are liberating themselves. Serbahk Nect When the Stars are Right, Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 5, 2010 18:43:49 GMT -6
Agreed. I'm not going to tell anyone that something is ultimately for them or ultimately beneficial. To each their own, that's what makes the LHP great.
That's your own personal opinion or assumption, hoss.
We're talking about bigger issues now. Both LHP and rhp practitioners might enjoy eating carrots or taking the long way home or having anal sex with blondes. Some stuff just doesn't matter when it comes to submitting or mastering, being assimilated or being separate and distinct.
Can a LHP practitioner be a slave to his own desires, and might that impede his quest for autonomy, power, and self-deification? That's a very good question. I'll let others have a go before I say any more.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Sept 5, 2010 18:51:16 GMT -6
I understand that polygamy is an avenue that shouldn't be shunned but as far as I am concerned, sex is spiritual and should only be accompanied by True Heart Felt Love which is NOT carnal desire. Why? I don't discredit the idea that sex and spirituality can be intimately intertwined. However, I don't follow the line of thinking that sex should ONLY be accompanied by love. Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by quantumtraveler on Sept 5, 2010 21:38:31 GMT -6
I understand that polygamy is an avenue that shouldn't be shunned but as far as I am concerned, sex is spiritual and should only be accompanied by True Heart Felt Love which is NOT carnal desire. Why? I don't discredit the idea that sex and spirituality can be intimately intertwined. However, I don't follow the line of thinking that sex should ONLY be accompanied by love. Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu Why, should sex ONLY be accompanied by True Heart Felt Love? Well, first off I do want to make it clear again that that is my own view and that I am not saying others should follow it. Sex is spiritual and should only be taken to its highest limits which for me is in the bond of True Love and not seemingly meaningless sex! To create a special bond with someone is special but it the meaning on sex looses its meaning when tossed around like a used napkin. Why does it lose its meaning? Well, obviously it only loses its meaning to some and not to others. We still have to, as I do myself, ask ourselves if what we view is correct or not? Better yet, we must ask ourselves, is this truly what we desire as a being of evolution? In that instance, what goal can be accomplished in means of spiritual evolution through polygamous relationships? I accept that I may be wrong in thinking the way I do as I believe it is wrong to think its ok to have different sexual partners at once. Maybe neither view is correct or truly beneficial. Maybe it really is fact that these things are truly different for each and every person. Maybe it really is a benefit to be open with sexual desire when numerous partners are concerned or maybe it beneficial for some to accept only one sex partner. Maybe its all wrong, who knows? We do however know that we make our own reality and maybe we all should, if we feel the urge, let our inner desires come to the surface and just keep an eye one things to make sure they don't get so wild that we become true slaves to ourselves or true monsters of humanity such as rapists, necrophiliacs, pedophiles, zoophiles etc. OR maybe on some level those things or some of them are OK which is honestly not something I fully agree with when rape, pedophilia and bestiality are concerned. If the corpse has a soul and is animated by it, they have a consciousness of their own and are ok with sex then go for it! There are still obviously issues to remember such as the fact that they are a rotting piece of meat crawling with bacteria but then again we make our own reality! We must ask questions and receive answers while making up our answers to our own questions as well as giving answers to others questions! When the Stars are right the Unholy Ichor of His loathsome Tentacles shall cleanse the world of the Sin of Humanity and All who shall awake will Awake in His Emerald Kingdom!
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Post by quantumtraveler on Sept 5, 2010 21:41:40 GMT -6
We're talking about bigger issues now. Both LHP and rhp practitioners might enjoy eating carrots or taking the long way home or having anal sex with blondes. Some stuff just doesn't matter when it comes to submitting or mastering, being assimilated or being separate and distinct.
Can a LHP practitioner be a slave to his own desires, and might that impede his quest for autonomy, power, and self-deification? That's a very good question. I'll let others have a go before I say any more.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
Honestly, anyone that is truly a devotee of any spiritual path or path of growth would not allow their own desires to consume them without ultimate reason! With His Unholy Ichor He Shall Cleanse the World!
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Post by lucofthelight on Sept 6, 2010 3:43:18 GMT -6
Agreed. I'm not going to tell anyone that something is ultimately for them or ultimately beneficial. To each their own, that's what makes the LHP great.That's your own personal opinion or assumption, hoss.We're talking about bigger issues now. Both LHP and rhp practitioners might enjoy eating carrots or taking the long way home or having anal sex with blondes. Some stuff just doesn't matter when it comes to submitting or mastering, being assimilated or being separate and distinct.
Can a LHP practitioner be a slave to his own desires, and might that impede his quest for autonomy, power, and self-deification? That's a very good question. I'll let others have a go before I say any more.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
If being a slave to one's sexual desires means recognizing and fulfilling the carnal side of one's being with other consenting adults then no, this should not impede one's quest for autonomy, power, and self-deification. If it is fulfilling for the individual and brings joy to him/her then it can only be beneficial to the other aspects of their existence, providing it is indulged in, in a balanced way and doesn't become obsessive.
I think the key here is that what is right for one individual may not be right for another as High Priest Satanis pointed out. Some are more suited to monogamy and others are more suited to multiple partners. Some people with higher sex drives need more frequent sex and others only need it occasionally. The frequency and desire may also fluctuate at different points in the individuals life.
What's important is that the LHP practitioner know themselves well enough to honestly deal with the carnal side so it doesn't spill out into other areas of their lives in an unhealthy fashion. I think the Satanic Bible gives an excellent description of the freedom of sexual practices that can be undertaken. One should consider from what source of indoctrination their sexual beliefs stem from, and then consider what are one's natural sexual urges. Obviously sometimes a compromise may have to be made and that's where one can make use of the balance factor that LaVey described.
One should definitely take an active role in fulfilling their sexual desires if one has them. The same applies with taking an active role with exercise, intellectual study, creativity and all the other aspects of a LHP practitioner.
I can't see it being detrimental to one's evolution especially if it is approached in the mature fashion that Apsara Kamalli spoke of.
By his Loathsome Tentacles!
K'ara Kaiul Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by quantumtraveler on Sept 6, 2010 7:14:06 GMT -6
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If being a slave to one's sexual desires means recognizing and fulfilling the carnal side of one's being with other consenting adults then no, this should not impede one's quest for autonomy, power, and self-deification. If it is fulfilling for the individual and brings joy to him/her then it can only be beneficial to the other aspects of their existence, providing it is indulged in, in a balanced way and doesn't become obsessive.
I think the key here is that what is right for one individual may not be right for another as High Priest Satanis pointed out. Some are more suited to monogamy and others are more suited to multiple partners. Some people with higher sex drives need more frequent sex and others only need it occasionally. The frequency and desire may also fluctuate at different points in the individuals life.
What's important is that the LHP practitioner know themselves well enough to honestly deal with the carnal side so it doesn't spill out into other areas of their lives in an unhealthy fashion. I think the Satanic Bible gives an excellent description of the freedom of sexual practices that can be undertaken. One should consider from what source of indoctrination their sexual beliefs stem from, and then consider what are one's natural sexual urges. Obviously sometimes a compromise may have to be made and that's where one can make use of the balance factor that LaVey described.
One should definitely take an active role in fulfilling their sexual desires if one has them. The same applies with taking an active role with exercise, intellectual study, creativity and all the other aspects of a LHP practitioner.
I can't see it being detrimental to one's evolution especially if it is approached in the mature fashion that Apsara Kamalli spoke of.
By his Loathsome Tentacles!
K'ara Kaiul Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu[/quote]
Going back to one of the original questions I asked in my original post, and this is only a question and not meant as anything else. This is just me trying to understand things from a specific point of view. If you have a sex drive then yet it would be crucial to let it run healthy but now avoiding the simple physical and self indulgent (when I say self indulgent I mean doing things for yourseld that don't ultimately affect how you evolve spiritually into higher being of existence or aquire a higher state of consciousness etc.) aspects of sex, how does simply having sex and sex with numerous partners benefit the desire and goal to evolve to a higher state of being, higher consciousness etc. If you must, state what your view of enlightenment is then how sex and polygamous sex aids in progression upon that path. In this particular system of questioning, it is not a sufficient answer to say that enlightenment is simply being all that you can be in this life. For this system of questioning, enlightenment must pertain some degree of being more than human and it is also insufficient to say that simply be evolving into an emerald being such as the Great Old Ones requires sex. IF you do choose to venture into that area then feel free to explain WHY sex is needed?
Serbahk Nect Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by mister6 on Sept 7, 2010 11:56:10 GMT -6
Well, as the room's resident apatheist, and emotional anorexic, I'll put in my 2 cents. I think that sexuality is way too complex to reduce it to such simple terms or absolutes. At this current juncture I'm not sexually active and haven't been for some time, but I do not think that multiple partners is a bad thing. The only times when multiple partners could be a bad thing is when disease isn't controlled, and when the participants are sex addicts or love addicts.
Love addicts have a hard time separating love from lust, when that act is not always a precursor to love or vice versa. Some people have itches that need to be scratched and lucky you if you get to experience that with said person. There are many girls that have tried to get me to express myself sexually but I decline. So I would say try not to get love and lust confused because it turns into either an addiction or emotional disorder lol.
They key to living a long healthy life is having a healthy environment, having tons of sex, staying active, and being open to new things. Can't forget a good diet too. We are what we eat lol
I however do find monogamous relationships more gratifying but my experience is not necessarily the experience of others.
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Post by quantumtraveler on Sept 7, 2010 13:48:05 GMT -6
Well, as the room's resident apatheist, and emotional anorexic, I'll put in my 2 cents. I think that sexuality is way too complex to reduce it to such simple terms or absolutes. At this current juncture I'm not sexually active and haven't been for some time, but I do not think that multiple partners is a bad thing. The only times when multiple partners could be a bad thing is when disease isn't controlled, and when the participants are sex addicts or love addicts. Love addicts have a hard time separating love from lust, when that act is not always a precursor to love or vice versa. Some people have itches that need to be scratched and lucky you if you get to experience that with said person. There are many girls that have tried to get me to express myself sexually but I decline. So I would say try not to get love and lust confused because it turns into either an addiction or emotional disorder lol. They key to living a long healthy life is having a healthy environment, having tons of sex, staying active, and being open to new things. Can't forget a good diet too. We are what we eat lol I however do find monogamous relationships more gratifying but my experience is not necessarily the experience of others. I am not confusing sex or love in any way whatsoever. It is true you have your say but honestly I was asking for actual benefits and primarily the spiritual/magickal benefits of having numerous sexual partners. Sex being a natural anti-depressant etc. is already a given but still doesn't qualify as an actual productive benefactor to humanity! Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by mister6 on Sept 7, 2010 14:46:06 GMT -6
My best advice to you then is to become an island of strength first and focus on female attention later. You must be able to hold your own spiritual ground. I would wager that there are many highly successful magicians and occultists that do their own thing
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Post by quantumtraveler on Sept 7, 2010 18:00:36 GMT -6
My best advice to you then is to become an island of strength first and focus on female attention later. You must be able to hold your own spiritual ground. I would wager that there are many highly successful magicians and occultists that do their own thing Well, this certainly holds alot of truth and in the long run is not what I was aiming at. I should have said that I meant, "what are the spiritual benefits of being with numerous sexual partners and that person/those people are past the basic grounds of building up a stable foundation for themselves. Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by mister6 on Sept 8, 2010 6:04:24 GMT -6
I only understand sex magic from a LaVeyan POV. So I would guess that the more sexual tension and energy that is contained and eventually expelled would be heightened from more sex as opposed to less sex. From what I hear of one guy and two girl threesomes then man is effing exhausted by the end of it. Taking care of 2 girls calls for a ton of stamina.... i digress
The energy used would perhaps be even more useful in a magical working, but like I said, that's from an ex-LaVeyan POV and my limited knowledge of sex magic.
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Post by tentaclednephilim on Sept 29, 2010 14:54:32 GMT -6
I might be covering ideas already expressed here, but I don't have much time to read every entry until later. However, I thought I'd get some words in on this topic.
Having multiple sex partners is beneficial for the reasons High Priest Venger Satanis gave above. From an evolutionary perspective, it is superior to monogamy among other benefits.
Having multiple partners is what our species has been practicing for a long time. We are wired for it. Monogamy being the norm in our culture is abnormal and has a tendency to create tension between partners.
I'm not advocating against monogamy or saying that people can't have fulfilling monogamous relationships. My point is simply that we, as a species, are more inclined to want more than one sexual partner.
Our natural sexual desires can have negative impacts on strictly monogamous couples. Take cheating, for example. To cheat, in any relationship dynamic, simply means you have broken the rules of your relationship agreement. When you create rules that go against your natural inclinations, you open the door to dishonesty & mistrust. Without trust & honesty, a relationship will inevitably dissolve.
As for love, I'd say that it's quite possible to have sex without love, but I think that when you love someone, having sex with them is a great way to show them. It also helps create a stronger bond. In fact, I think sex in a relationship is necessary although the sex itself does not necessarily define the relationship.
For me, having a sexually open relationship has been quite fruitful. It allows us to learn more about each other, strengthen our bond, and fulfills our young, raging hormones on top of other things.
Hail Satanis!
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