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Post by whatsupable on Nov 29, 2009 7:18:31 GMT -6
just a thought i had last night in the story of Adam and Eva there was a tree of knowledge they may not eat of. than Satan tells them to eat it and after they eat the fruit the released they were naked and some more things. they REALIZED that moment they were conces you could see that as a calling from cthulhu. luckily we have or good old Satan to let them eat that ;D let me know how you think of it i don't believe in the bible but like 80% of The people here do so this could give them a good disguising point
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Nov 29, 2009 21:43:25 GMT -6
"80% of the people"
hahahaha, Not likely. Anyway people believing int he bible aren't going to welcoming to the idea that cthulhu is calling humanity thought the apple of knowledge. However if someone within the CoC did use the bible, it would probably be in a more gnostic sense(not say thats all that's allowed or anything). In which the stories in the bible are read more as myths. Myths in the sense that the people, event, places have lessons to teach about the human condition, consciousness, magic, life etc. But even then cthulhu is still not really that relevant.
basically the use of the bible in this sense is what the Gnostics do/ did. They started off as a secular group of Jews, which later started using Christian writing, and become more and more detached over the years. Though still, this doesn't mean in a theistic sense cthulhu is calling them in the bible.
thats my two cents.
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Post by thepuck on Nov 29, 2009 22:47:13 GMT -6
"80% of the people" hahahaha, Not likely. Anyway people believing int he bible aren't going to welcoming to the idea that cthulhu is calling humanity thought the apple of knowledge. However if someone within the CoC did use the bible, it would probably be in a more gnostic sense(not say thats all that's allowed or anything). In which the stories in the bible are read more as myths. Myths in the sense that the people, event, places have lessons to teach about the human condition, consciousness, magic, life etc. But even then cthulhu is still not really that relevant. basically the use of the bible in this sense is what the Gnostics do/ did. They started off as a secular group of Jews, which later started using Christian writing, and become more and more detached over the years. Though still, this doesn't mean in a theistic sense cthulhu is calling them in the bible. thats my two cents. Oh, the Bible is full of useful lore and mystical knowledge. If you just look at it like any other collection of magickal texts, it's got some good stuff in it. So do the writings of many of the mystics of the Abrahamic traditions...St. John of the Cross, Hildegard von Bingen, the Desert Fathers, Sufi mystics, Jewish Qabalists, etc all have some useful stuff to say. At the roots, all mystical and magickal traditions tend towards certain truths. While these truth are subjective in one sense, they are absolute in another sense. There is a reason almost every mage in the history of magick has believed in and agreed with the First Axiom of Magick, recorded on the Emerald Tablet by Hermes Trismegistus: As above, so below. Magick, the universe we exist in, and the basic conditions of being existential consciousnesses are consistent and continuous phenomena. Magick is a "way" of doing things; Left Hand or Right Hand is a "why" to do them, a conviction about the nature of the universe that guides our efforts. Don't let yourself be simply a mirror image of the white-hats. They are the ones with rules about what they can do, what they can use, and so on. Any tool that suits your hand and is the best for the job at hand should be available to the true magician. On the other hand, I am extremely resistant to identifying any entities of the Mythos with specific entities of traditional magickal and mystical lore. Sure, we can, and through including them in tables of correspondences for use in particular psychocosms like the Qabala, we end up with connections anyway, but at the same time I feel like they are their own entities and need to be approached on their own terms. Qabalistic correspondences are meant to correspond concrete symbols to abstract concepts, not truly dictate an identity. While it is true that the Sun = 6 = Apollo and the Sun = 6 = Ra, it is not the case that Apollo = Ra, because Apollo is the Sun through the subjectivity of the Greeks and Ra that of the Egyptians. They are connected, yes, identical, no. The fictional origins of the Mythos are a blessing because they free us from the preconceptions of ancient tribal cultures we have little if any real connection to. I don't understand nor agree with this need to find equivalencies in other pantheons. This does not lend legitimacy any more than the idea that Thor and Zeus are connected through being sky gods wielding lightning somehow lends legitimacy to Thor. These are all distinct engagements with reality and they choose to generally manifest themselves as entities, thus they should be engaged with on those terms. It is very rude to insist upon meeting someone that they must be identical to someone else you know because there is a fundamental resemblance.
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Post by whatsupable on Dec 1, 2009 8:51:49 GMT -6
the reason why i was thinking about this was because when i am discussing whit people (mostly Christians) the always say
but in the bible stand this and this.
i would like to just say:
screw the god damn bible and go think for yourself instead of being a slave of Jesus (and rip it apart and use it as how it should as toilet paper) ;D
not i say that the book is bad everyone may believe what they want but they don't even think about if it is right.
they just follow it like
if jesus was a gay they would all become gay whiteout even wanting it.
it is just that i maby am to good for people and still have hope in the world but probably i am wrong.
and i should leave those fuckers and let them die in the end
it is just frustration that i sometimes need to get rid of. i really hate the place i live at Sundays morning's walking whit the dog people don't even response if i wish them a good day.
luckily only a few more years and i am going to leave it
but i hope you understand my situations
ia ia
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Post by whatsupable on Dec 1, 2009 8:56:56 GMT -6
the reason why i was thinking about this was because when i am discussing whit people (mostly Christians) the always say but in the bible stand this and this. i would like to just say: screw the god damn bible and go think for yourself instead of being a slave of Jesus (and rip it apart and use it as how it should as toilet paper) ;D not i say that the book is bad everyone may believe what they want but they don't even think about if it is right. they just follow it like if jesus was a gay they would all become gay whiteout even wanting it. it is just that i maby am to good for people and still have hope in the world but probably i am wrong. and i should leave those fuckers and let them die in the end it is just frustration that i sometimes need to get rid of. i really hate the place i live at Sundays morning's walking whit the dog people don't even response if i wish them a good day. luckily only a few more years and i am going to leave it but i hope you understand my situations ia ia i should just curse all of these people and claim this city and watch them slowly and painfully die. a much better way in solving my frustration's instead of whining at the forum P.S. bible paper as toilet paper don't work really well butt i heard that you can smoke them
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Post by Kyuubi on Apr 13, 2010 13:01:23 GMT -6
the reason why i was thinking about this was because when i am discussing whit people (mostly Christians) the always say but in the bible stand this and this. i would like to just say: screw the god damn bible and go think for yourself instead of being a slave of Jesus (and rip it apart and use it as how it should as toilet paper) ;D not i say that the book is bad everyone may believe what they want but they don't even think about if it is right. they just follow it like if jesus was a gay they would all become gay whiteout even wanting it. it is just that i maby am to good for people and still have hope in the world but probably i am wrong. and i should leave those fuckers and let them die in the end it is just frustration that i sometimes need to get rid of. i really hate the place i live at Sundays morning's walking whit the dog people don't even response if i wish them a good day. luckily only a few more years and i am going to leave it but i hope you understand my situations ia ia You and I would make great friends haha.
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Post by Inha Etbrae Ipshae on Apr 13, 2010 13:36:53 GMT -6
The Bible does make good rolling papers. Though, I am no longer into such things.
All of the "big stories" we all know from the Bible are only like 1-4 verses half the time. It's so vague at certain points, that I have no idea how anyone could find it useful for anything besides a piece for a shaky table.
Just my views.
Hail Satanis!
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Post by A'Zodul F'eid on Apr 13, 2010 18:24:19 GMT -6
Cthulhu = Leviathan maybe?
That's pretty much all I have to say, but to put it in proper English; Could the image of Cthulhu retained in the subconscious mind of the Bible's authors have influenced the inclusion and details of Leviathan.
Awake!
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Post by nixx on Apr 14, 2010 4:48:13 GMT -6
The Bible is a pack of metaphors for the Awakening process. It shows you the progression of the fall of man & its return to an Awakened state. You have to do a lot of cross referencing with other traditions, but the metaphors are pretty much the same across the board. In Hoodoo traditions, its been called the most powerful spellbook in existence, & that is pretty much the reason. The problem with the whole thing is that people take the book literally when it is one big metaphor. Cthulhu exists in nearly every passage, especially when they talk about the coming messiah, & Jesus is pretty much Cthulhu showing the way to Awakening.
After the gospels, you have to do even more sifting as that was the point chthonic mysteries that Jesus was teaching got mixed with Roman sun worship & that is the trap most people fall into when trying to work with the book gnosticly. I would recommend anyone to read the book & really meditate on the meaning behind the story & what it is actually saying. If nothing else, you'll have an informed argument the next time you get accosted by a rabid fundy!
Awake!
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Post by LostSoul on Apr 14, 2010 19:15:43 GMT -6
let me know how you think of it i don't believe in the bible but like 80% of The people here do so this could give them a good disguising point Which bible? There are like dozen's of variations out there; Apocryphas, they are called...Some have powerful insight and intriguing philosophies. Sadly; mainstream editions are all anybody thinks of when the talk about "the Bible". Sigh.
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Post by Kyuubi on Apr 15, 2010 13:01:50 GMT -6
...Could the image of Cthulhu retained in the subconscious mind of the Bible's authors have influenced the inclusion and details of Leviathan. I have often wondered this myself it seems that to many know Cthulhu's image they just my not know how to process it correctly. If you look at other mythologies for example in Samarian Tiamat seems similar in appearance (tentacles). The biggest issue I find with this question is Leviathan was translated from Modern Hebrew to mean only "whale". One interesting point in Demonology Leviathan is the 7th prince of hell, in "Hellmouth".
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