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Post by pyramidhead333 on Dec 16, 2009 19:42:47 GMT -6
VS, got a couple questions for you: 1. If I decide to join the CoC, do I have to answer the questions through actual mail, or could I send 'em to ya through this forum, e-mail, or Youtube (in case you don't know, I'm PyramidHead333 on Youtube and my e-mails are ian.bruesch@gmail.com and ian@bruesch.net) Because being 16, I'd probably get caught if I sent it by letter. 2. I saw "In the Mouth of Madness" not long ago, and I just realized today a few similarities in both you and Sutter Cane's beliefs: the "awaken the Old Ones, destroy reality, become a god" scenario. I'm not saying you're ripping off ItMoM, but I'm just wondering if it's a coincidence or not? Hope to get answers soon.
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 17, 2009 12:46:50 GMT -6
Email is fine.
The character of Sutter Cane from In the Mouth of Madness definitely channeled Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos. We think along the same lines. Sure, that film has influenced me and many Cultists; however, the source of our beliefs comes from the Great Old Ones.
VS
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Post by pyramidhead333 on Dec 19, 2009 15:04:46 GMT -6
Email is fine.The character of Sutter Cane from In the Mouth of Madness definitely channeled Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos. We think along the same lines. Sure, that film has influenced me and many Cultists; however, the source of our beliefs comes from the Great Old Ones.
VS Ah, I see. Of course, in that movie, they never directly speak of the Old Ones (or at least, not from what I remember), apart from a few pictures and the Mrs. Pickman monster. *shudders at the memory of the Mrs. Pickman creature* But actually, I heard somewhere that somebody interprets Cane is Nyarlathotep, but the problem with that theory is that he'd probably know if he was.
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 20, 2009 11:16:31 GMT -6
Sometimes people take the Mythos too literally. Something can be extremely Lovecraftian without directly pertaining to the Cthulhu Mythos. Or can it? (that's a good question if anyone has the tentacles to tackle it) What I mean is, does Cane really have to be Nyarlathotep? Can't he just be his own thing? John Carpenter's intention was probably to make him a mix of H.P. Lovecraft and Stephen King. Oh, to be that profound and popular... that would be the ultimate power!
For me, Sutter Cane is a black magician and Cultist involved in the Great Work who warps reality through his writing. And like him, the next book I write is going to be fiction that will change the world.
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Post by pyramidhead333 on Dec 21, 2009 21:05:41 GMT -6
Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, FICTION? I thought you literally believed in the Old Ones. Or am I misinterpreting what you say?
And here's where I heard the interpretation that Cane is Nyarlathotep (on Youtube):
formless777 (3 weeks ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply | Spam "In the Mouth of Madness" is definitely a C'thulhu movie. It even says so in Wikipedia it's that obvious. Sutter Kane is the bastard hybrid of HPL and Stephen King. According to the Malleus Monstorum, Kane is an avatar of Nyarlathotep, one of the 999 Masks.
PyramidHead333 (2 days ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply | Remove Huh, interesting. But wouldn't Nyarlathotep KNOW who he is? Because at first Kane thought he was writing fiction.
formless777 (1 day ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply | Spam Interesting point, to which the answer is probably no. There is a mythos story where physicists attempt to solve the Kruschtya equation, a strange physics problem, but in the process become avatars of Nyarlathotep.
And yes, I know I spelled "Cane" wrong, but seriously who gives a fuck?
Btw, speaking of fiction, I'm writing a Mythos story myself, one where a prophecy Lovecraft only wrote about a few times happening: the apocalypse. It's inspired a bit by In the Mouth of Madness, takes place in modern times, and at the start, it may seem like the main character is intending to fight against the Old Ones, but you'll see how it ends. Unlike "In the Shadows" (which I'm not sure if I'm gonna write anymore), the ending won't be happy. Well, it'd probably be your idea of a happy ending (not to offend). Expect to find it in the "Your fiction!" section when I'm finished writing it!
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 22, 2009 12:36:03 GMT -6
I do believe. It's because I know that fiction and reality are interchangeable which allows me to go back and forth between the two.
People say a lot of things, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. If you want to go with that and believe Cane is Nyarlathotep, then awesome. However, I like to view individual Cultists, like Sutter Cane, as fruitful human beings in their own right. Just because someone is extraordinary, that doesn't necessarily mean they are an Old One in disguise. Sometimes superior examples of humanity are just men and women who experience higher states of consciousness, only appearing to be godlike. [/b]
Looking forward to it!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by pyramidhead333 on Dec 22, 2009 18:42:37 GMT -6
I do believe. It's because I know that fiction and reality are interchangeable which allows me to go back and forth between the two.
Okay, but I still don't get why you say you're gonna be writing fiction. People say a lot of things, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. If you want to go with that and believe Cane is Nyarlathotep, then awesome. However, I like to view individual Cultists, like Sutter Cane, as fruitful human beings in their own right. Just because someone is extraordinary, that doesn't necessarily mean they are an Old One in disguise. Sometimes superior examples of humanity are just men and women who experience higher states of consciousness, only appearing to be godlike. [/b] I never actually said I believe that Cane is Nyralathotep, I just said where I found the theory he is. Looking forward to it!
One thing though, is that it may not be too good, but hey, couldn't be as bad as the movie 'adaption' of The Tomb.
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