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Oct 23, 2008 2:29:46 GMT -6
Post by astennoth on Oct 23, 2008 2:29:46 GMT -6
Just a quick question : Which Old One presides over each day of the week? Or do they have a certain day of the year where their worship is most powerful? I know Tyson covered this in The Grimoire of the Necronomicon, but I would like to put the question out there to see if anyone knows any better
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Oct 23, 2008 10:23:42 GMT -6
Post by I AM the Way on Oct 23, 2008 10:23:42 GMT -6
oh man... days of the week is where i draw the mother loving line!
not to rain on your parade, brother, but if Tyson and others had their way, we'd be associating certain Old Ones to particular flavors of ice cream!?! ok, so chocolate is Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth is strawberry, right? good grief!
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Oct 24, 2008 11:48:37 GMT -6
Post by Madguten on Oct 24, 2008 11:48:37 GMT -6
The concept is actually more common than most people would dream about. The seven day week as we know it is based on planets and each of these planets have been attributed different gods by different people. I made this septogram to illustrate the seven day week. There is more info hereen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#European_and_Near_Eastern_weekIn this scenario, having the days of the week already representing planets one merely has to decide what planets to attribute to which gods. I am not sure how much i trust our calender though, i believe that we can sense the cycles ourselves under the right circumstances. I see what you mean. I think that it is a human trademark though, to associate things with other things. But your right, i myself am unable to tie the mythos gods to the days of the week in any particularly useful way.
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Oct 24, 2008 12:45:42 GMT -6
Post by sin on Oct 24, 2008 12:45:42 GMT -6
Oh, cut it out! Cthuluian Wicca? That's all we frickin' need!
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Oct 24, 2008 19:39:26 GMT -6
Post by astennoth on Oct 24, 2008 19:39:26 GMT -6
Lol I do see what you mean, HPVS... I just needed to know if apart from a full moon there was a time when I could practice the rituals of certain Old Ones and have a stronger magickal power present. But yeah, I get it
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Oct 24, 2008 21:13:36 GMT -6
Post by I AM the Way on Oct 24, 2008 21:13:36 GMT -6
anytime. you can do it on the first Tuesday of every month if you want, but don't let that stop you. observe yourself, worship the Ancient Ones, and draw strength from Them every night!
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Oct 25, 2008 1:07:51 GMT -6
Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 25, 2008 1:07:51 GMT -6
yeah i have a big problem with this. smacks of the RHP waaaaaaaay waywaywaywayway WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much.
in the words of HP, days of the week is where i most fucking DEFinitely draw that line.
outside of moon cycles, solstices, equinoxes and the like which are legitimate times of power, ANY day is a good for magick!!!
keep it Left Handed!!!
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Oct 25, 2008 3:21:29 GMT -6
Post by Madguten on Oct 25, 2008 3:21:29 GMT -6
So you dont like this idea, but you accept the seven day week anyway?. Even though it is based on the Jewish genesis.
Now thats RHP if anything is ;D
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Oct 25, 2008 10:55:57 GMT -6
Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 25, 2008 10:55:57 GMT -6
i disagree, and so does this excerpt:
"The first thing to understand is that a week is not necessarily seven days. In pre-literate societies weeks of 4 to 10 days were observed; those weeks were typically the interval from one market day to the next. Four to 10 days gave farmers enough time to accumulate and transport goods to sell. (The one week that was almost always avoided was the 7-day week -- it was considered unlucky!) The 7-day week was introduced in Rome (where ides, nones, and calends were the vogue) in the first century A.D. by Persian astrology fanatics, not by Christians or Jews. The idea was that there would be a day for the five known planets, plus the sun and the moon, making seven; this was an ancient West Asian idea. However, when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire in the time of Constantine (c. 325 A.D.), the familiar Hebrew-Christian week of 7 days, beginning on Sunday, became conflated with the pagan week and took its place in the Julian calendar. Thereafter, it seemed to Christians that the week Rome now observed was seamless with the 7-day week of the Bible -- even though its pagan roots were obvious in the names of the days: Saturn's day, Sun's day, Moon's day. The other days take their equally pagan names in English from a detour into Norse mythology: Tiw's day, Woden's day, Thor's day, and Fria's day. "
as usual, everything biblical has its true origin in something older and pagan. does christianity contain ONE fucking original thought? damn!
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Oct 25, 2008 11:51:11 GMT -6
Post by Madguten on Oct 25, 2008 11:51:11 GMT -6
Here in denmark, everything is closed on Sundays, except gas stations and such. The tradition originates from genesis, where god rests on the seventh day. It goes back hundreds of years BC, and has been carried along by Christianity by force.
But yes, you are right, the concept of gods and planets being tied to the days of the week IS an occult tradition. That was also one of the points i was trying to make myself in my first post..The reason i identify the week in itself as being "Christian" even as we know it today, is because the planetary/gods idea was just added to the story later. The original reason for our Christian rulers of old to force the seven day week upon us has been the story of the seven day genesis. Originally, it has NO apparent meaning universally or in terms of planetary cycles. That was added later because it fitted.
It was not the Egyptians who forced their week upon us, it was the Christians. They did it all in the name of God.
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Oct 25, 2008 12:38:54 GMT -6
Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 25, 2008 12:38:54 GMT -6
yeah, man. we're on the same page.
sorry lol i just get on the offensive when anyone says anything originated with christianity because nothing much has, it all goes back to some other idea from some other culture that got hijacked by the christian authority during their grab for power in earlier centuries.
you know i love you, maddie! you're one of my favorite posters for sure.
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Oct 25, 2008 13:12:11 GMT -6
Post by fahy92 on Oct 25, 2008 13:12:11 GMT -6
you know i love you, maddie! you're one of my favorite posters for sure. Ha, great nickname for Madguten! I'd have to agree though, the days of the week just takes it a little too far
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Oct 25, 2008 15:45:27 GMT -6
Post by Madguten on Oct 25, 2008 15:45:27 GMT -6
I am the one who was a tad defensive i think. Its actually an interesting subject, WERE DID the seven day week first appear i wonder, or the concept of weeks themselves.
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Oct 26, 2008 2:14:25 GMT -6
Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 26, 2008 2:14:25 GMT -6
i googled i think maybe just the word "week" or "seven+day+week" or some shit and got HELLA shit on the esoteric origins of the seven day week
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Oct 26, 2008 18:09:12 GMT -6
Post by youma on Oct 26, 2008 18:09:12 GMT -6
does christianity contain ONE fucking original thought? damn! "Feel guilty about everything you are a sinner and going to hell rrRRAAAAARRRRH!!!!" *drools all over self* I think it's original to Christianity.
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Oct 28, 2008 3:57:09 GMT -6
Post by Madguten on Oct 28, 2008 3:57:09 GMT -6
;D ;D ;D
You're right, THATS their thing.
They probably stole it anyway, lol
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