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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Oct 6, 2008 20:41:08 GMT -6
I give this movie an 81/2 outa 10. I like it but it lapsed occasionally. I think its one of the better movies J. Depp has done. I like the over plot line, and found it interesting enough to watch. It had that good old film feel to it which i liked. What was your opinions of it?
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Oct 6, 2008 20:45:56 GMT -6
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Post by Madguten on Oct 7, 2008 3:05:12 GMT -6
The film is based on the wicked cool book "El Club Dumas" or "The Dumas Club" by the wonderful writer Arturo Perez-Reverte. It says here on the back of the book that he was one of the two journalists whom did not leave Baghdad during the first gulf war. No wonder he can write such great works. But yes its a great movie. Really good, better than "eyes wide shut", but the only thing cool in THAT movie is when Tom Cruise sneaks into the gathering of masked wierdoes. I have both the versions of the drawings printed. You can get the images and a how to guide here. www.apocprod.com/Pages/prop_pages/ninthgate.htmHere is a picture of Club Dumas Later EDIT:I think that it is damn near the best film i have seen with Depp if it wasnt for Fear and Loathing and he has been in a lot of great films. I used to watch The Nine Gates all the time. It was one of the last film that REALLY got my attention, before i drifted off into "no care land", now i automatically know that all films will suck before i see them and so i simply sit and watch for stuff that i dont directly hate while watching them ;D Like the new Terminator Salvation movie coming out next year, i KNOW its gonna suck, but i dont hate that it is Christian Bale as John Connor. ;D Nine Gates is one of those films where there is NOTHING about the movie that pisses me off, even the ending completely and utter kicks ass. Great film. And ANYONE who is into old secret books of forbidden lore should get a kick out of watching the film or reading the book. From wiki on Torchia Aristide Torchia is a fictional character from The Club Dumas, a 1993 novel by Arturo Pérez-Reverte. The events of the novel take place hundreds of years after Torchia's death, and he is referenced only as a historical figure. He is also mentioned in the film The Ninth Gate, which is based on the novel.
Torchia was born in 1620. He apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
The character of Torchia is possibly based on the life of Giordano Bruno, burned as a heretic in 1600. Know, Giordano Bruno is a real person. I have been meaning to make a post about him here on the forum for years know. From wiki on Bruno. Giordano Bruno (1548 – February 17, 1600) was an Italian philosopher best-known as an early proponent of heliocentrism and the infinity of the universe. In addition to his cosmological writings, he also wrote extensive works on the art of memory, a loosely-organized group of mnemonic techniques and principles. He is often considered an early martyr for modern scientific ideas, in part because he was burned at the stake as a heretic by the Roman Inquisition.
More recent assessments, beginning with the pioneering work of Frances Yates, suggest that Bruno was deeply influenced by magical views of the universe inherited from Arab astrological magic, Neoplatonism and Renaissance Hermeticism.[1] Other recent studies of Bruno have focused on his qualitative approach to mathematics and his application of the spatial paradigms of geometry to language.[2]Here is wiki on his trial and death In Rome he was imprisoned for seven years during his lengthy trial, lastly in the Tower of Nona. Some important documents about the trial are lost, but others have been preserved, among them a summary of the proceedings that was rediscovered in 1940.[9] The numerous charges against Bruno, based on some of his books as well as on witness accounts, included blasphemy, immoral conduct, and heresy in matters of dogmatic theology, and involved some of the basic doctrines of his philosophy and cosmology. Luigi Firpo lists them as follows: [10]
* Holding opinions contrary to the Catholic Faith and speaking against it and its ministers. * Holding erroneous opinions about the Trinity, about Christ's divinity and Incarnation. * Holding erroneous opinions about Christ. * Holding erroneous opinions about Transubstantiation and Mass. * Claiming the existence of a plurality of worlds and their eternity. * Believing in metempsychosis and in the transmigration of the human soul into brutes. * Dealing in magics and divination. * Denying the Virginity of Mary.
In these grim circumstances Bruno continued his Venetian defensive strategy, which consisted in bowing to the Church's dogmatic teachings, while trying to preserve the basis of his philosophy. In particular Bruno held firm to his belief in the plurality of worlds, although he was admonished to abandon it. His trial was overseen by the inquisitor Cardinal Bellarmine, who demanded a full recantation, which Bruno eventually refused. Instead he appealed in vain to Pope Clement VIII, hoping to save his life through a partial recantation. The Pope expressed himself in favor of a guilty verdict. Consequently, Bruno was declared a heretic, and told he would be handed over to secular authorities. According to the correspondence of one Gaspar Schopp of Breslau, he is said to have made threatening gesture towards his judges and to have replied: "Perhaps you, my judges, pronounce this sentence against me with greater fear than I receive it."[11] He was quickly turned over to the secular authorities and, on February 17, 1600 in the Campo de' Fiori, a central Roman market square, "his tongue imprisoned because of his wicked words" he was burned at the stake.[12] When the fire had died out his ashes were dumped into the Tiber river. All Bruno's works were placed on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum in 1603.
Four hundred years after his execution, official expression of "profound sorrow" and acknowledgement of error at Bruno's condemnation to death was made, during the papacy of John Paul II[citation needed]. Attempts were made by a group of professors in the Catholic Theological Faculty at Naples, led by the Nolan Domenico Sorrentino, to obtain a full rehabilitation from the Catholic authorities.Ia! Giordano Bruno! Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 7, 2008 10:51:30 GMT -6
yes, that scene (and the naked female fuckathon afterwards) is amazing. so creepy and dreamlike. those masks screamed Ligotti, at the time i first saw it.
yes again! i love Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. hilarious and Depp makes a superb Hunter S. Thompson.
Terminator 3 sucked, but i have high hopes for the new film. at least the Sarah Connor Chronicles is ultra kick ass. haven't been watching season 2 because i'd rather just watch it all on DVD, but season 1 was really well done, A plus casting.
all i've seen of Terminator Salvation was a short teaser trailer; i have a feeling that it might revive the franchise.
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Post by sin on Oct 7, 2008 12:13:40 GMT -6
I've always liked the movie, bought it as soon as it was available for my collection. I enjoy the obsession with the Devil. All of these considerably intelligent people, killing to obtain the keys to the gates of hell.
The best Sinner on the Block? Depp as a greedy and prideful book whore; the devil's favorite :-)
I always wanted to make my own 9 Gates for fun. I have all the engravings in electronic form. I have them printed but I think it would be a far more interesting look and feel to hand-draw each of the engravings, then add my own text and meanings. I'd like to leave it in a safety deposit box, so when I'm dead - that's all they find as my legacy. *lol*
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 7, 2008 12:43:54 GMT -6
Dread Cthulhu, i love this movie!!! in FACT, i and my guitarist love it so much, we recently renamed our band after it!!! check us out! www.myspace.com/entertheninthgatenot kidding! every time i watch this movie i pick up on something new. its deceiving how much subtext is in the film. really pay attention to the illustrations and the characters in the film as they appear. you'l find the people he meets bear the likeness of those on the pages. and when the two brothers in portugal say "if this is a forgery, it would have to be the work of a master!" and then both start snickering... lol only in retrospect can you pick up on that msterful use of foreshadowing. this movie gets such a bad rap from critics. i really think you have to have an interest in the occult and the LHP to truly appreciate the morals of this story. not made for mainstream consumption, thats for sure. but masterfully acted and directed. a true gem. listen to my band, The Ninth Gate! in other news, we've decided to sign with this label and will be doing very cool things for the rest of the year and especially 2009. bahahaha Year 2009thGATE!!!
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Post by dzepxich on Oct 7, 2008 18:07:06 GMT -6
I liked the movie a lot also. J. Depp has done lots of movies I like, he's got good taste in projects to work on, in general.
It's nice to see an "occult" movie where the lead doesn't end up slaughtered/insane. It actually had a happy ending! (IMO)
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Oct 8, 2008 2:22:50 GMT -6
sex with the beast in human form, is a happy ending imo.
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 8, 2008 3:01:35 GMT -6
ill say it again just so i know that you all know that my band is named after this awesome awesome fucking gem of a film. we play heavy heavy non-melodic metal and we are called The Ninth Gate. here is our myspace. we're signing to a small label and will have a cd in stores by january and good dstro (sony red label or century media) so ask your local best buy, f.y.e., or hot topic to carry us when it comes time!!! www.myspace.com/entertheninthgateand back to the movie again... its near flawless. however murky the ending may be, with more viewings and additional research into the theme (satan, lucifer, meanings of His names, fate, free will, theology, blah blah blah etc yada yada) the ending becomes pretty clear, and way more awsome and, strangely enough, happy!
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Post by A'Zodul F'eid on Jan 19, 2010 17:37:39 GMT -6
Oh Cthulhu, I heart that movie so hard. The book(Club Dumas) was good too. That movie struck so close to home since my father used to deal antiquarian books. I'm going to check out your band in a sec, B'Lahk'Neeth.
When the Stars are right!
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Post by Inha Etbrae Ipshae on Apr 18, 2010 19:27:48 GMT -6
Bought the movie for $4 and really enjoyed it.
Sadly, I have no idea what the ending was all about. I fear I missed something.
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Apr 29, 2010 20:36:30 GMT -6
This is one of my favorite movies of all times. The whole feel to it was particularly odd and something I don't get much of these days with cinema. It resonated within me, I can't quite explain it in words. I must admit, the whole dead lady in the wheelchair scene made me giggle.
It's funny that I would now come across this post now after just thinking about this movie the other day.
When the Stars Are Right!
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