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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 1, 2008 10:15:51 GMT -6
yes, a great idea. i'll be incorporating such teaching in the new book as well.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Sept 2, 2008 19:48:44 GMT -6
i look forward to reading it. Im curious as to what other people do to hold an awakend state over time, or if they do anything at all.
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Post by jmsn on Sept 2, 2008 23:39:50 GMT -6
Cthulhu Cult introduces awakening basically, and outlines what is needed to get started. The rest is left up to the individual cultist, rightly so. However no one has discussed these 2 nd and more importantly 3 rd stages of awakening in depth on this site, at least to my knowledge. So i have created this thread with that intent. Here i figure we can network ideas and approaches to ensure that no one can go off the less then clear path. One of the major stump in the 4 th way is the ability to remain awake for longer periods of time. It seems that it is this crucial step that most people fail to climb. Personally the best method i can offer is the use of your cult name. If you have joined then you would have undoubtably have received one. Depending on how you use this name is wether or not this approach to long term awakening will work. I use the name as an alternate persona, assumed during ritual and spell craft. When i assume this persona it is not unlike an actor getting into character. However i use simple meditation techniques to bring it to manifestation as almost a demon possession. this is not unlike the voodoo practice of altered consciousness. Once this persona is assumed then I(the character) sit within the body as if it were a shell. Moving it as puppet, and not unlike a puppeteer has to focus on every movement of the puppet, so do i. This helps keep the mind focused on the state of gnosis, without inhibiting the whatever it is your doing. Of course none of this will be possible unless you have mastered the basics of awakening, and grown through understanding the gnosis(these are the 1 st and 2 nd stages) Best of luck! shaz'rahjeemWould this not then be like invoking one's self or true self?.Sounds like a self invocation unless Im wrong.I can see how such an approach can work. Replacing a self that has limitations with the self that is almost infinite in nature.Assuming I am right;self as god..invoking the god self permanently (possession?)
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Sept 5, 2008 2:23:57 GMT -6
Thats a good analysis, however i lok at th alter ego, as like god larvel state all ready within me. That is a gift from the old ones.
cthulhu cult "these unutterable secrets allow us to complete our evolution so that we may progress to becoming Demi-Gods. Such a blasphemous gift is our only salvation as well as our key to altering reality itself."
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Dec 19, 2009 20:39:49 GMT -6
That's a new one. I'm going to have to give that a go.
To hold my awakened state I usually vibrate words or names such as Kort'thsalis or Ahraev'Nuszeth'Kaiul. I also find this excerpt from Liber A:O to be effective when it's chanted: "I am the key. Me, not me. I am I. Am that am. Never to be. All that is. Infinity."
I've also been experimenting with using binaural frequences to awaken. Getting some interesting results.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Dec 20, 2009 20:25:44 GMT -6
The passage, "Of Biblical Importance" never fails to stir me.
binaural Frequencies?
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Dec 20, 2009 21:41:16 GMT -6
Cthulhu Cult introduces awakening basically, and outlines what is needed to get started. The rest is left up to the individual cultist, rightly so. However no one has discussed these 2 nd and more importantly 3 rd stages of awakening in depth on this site, at least to my knowledge. So i have created this thread with that intent. Here i figure we can network ideas and approaches to ensure that no one can go off the less then clear path. One of the major stump in the 4 th way is the ability to remain awake for longer periods of time. It seems that it is this crucial step that most people fail to climb. Personally the best method i can offer is the use of your cult name. If you have joined then you would have undoubtably have received one. Depending on how you use this name is wether or not this approach to long term awakening will work. I use the name as an alternate persona, assumed during ritual and spell craft. When i assume this persona it is not unlike an actor getting into character. However i use simple meditation techniques to bring it to manifestation as almost a demon possession. this is not unlike the voodoo practice of altered consciousness. Once this persona is assumed then I(the character) sit within the body as if it were a shell. Moving it as puppet, and not unlike a puppeteer has to focus on every movement of the puppet, so do i. This helps keep the mind focused on the state of gnosis, without inhibiting the whatever it is your doing. Of course none of this will be possible unless you have mastered the basics of awakening, and grown through understanding the gnosis(these are the 1 st and 2 nd stages) Best of luck! shaz'rahjeemI employ the use of a mask (see my avatar pic on the left) to allow this "possesion", although now I can mentally shift at will at this point. I recomend everyone develope a mask. It is an old shamanistic method. You will KNOW when the shift is begining. For me, my whole demenor changes. Its like my reptilian brain is fully awakened. I want to FUCK and/or DEVOUR just about everything I see. I am filled with LUST and RAGE.. and at the same time a strange, calm inhuman outlook on things. As well as a bizzar feeling of Joy. Contradictory, I know, but THAT is how I can explain it. I feel a RUSH go up my spine, and SOMETIMES phrases come to me.. random tongues.. words of power? Or just nonsense? It doesnt SOUND like the bullshit the christians speak when they supposidly speak in tongues.. for me, the words flow and sound like another language. I think this is an EXISTING part of us. The Old-One within us all. Maybe an ancient Atavisim? Who knows for sure. I just know it is apart of me.. maybe my TRUE self? Or perhaps the oldest and most powerful "I" in the sea of myselves.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Dec 21, 2009 1:23:04 GMT -6
The passage, "Of Biblical Importance" never fails to stir me. binaural Frequencies? Yeah. Differing frequencies played at the same time to produce changes in neural behaviour and brain chemistry. Many people use them to help get to sleep, or to aid in lucid dreaming. They're available for free download all over the internet... I've evn found ones that are supposed to cause "disturbing" dreams... Although, I can't really say I know what's disturbing anymore so I can't vouch for all of them. I try to get ones that cause theta brainwaves when it comes to meditation and such. Wikipedia probably explains it better than I... "Binaural beats or binaural tones are auditory processing artifacts, or apparent sounds, the perception of which arises in the brain independent of physical stimuli. This effect was discovered in 1839 by Heinrich Wilhelm Dove. The brain produces a phenomenon resulting in low-frequency pulsations in the loudness of a perceived sound when two tones at slightly different frequencies are presented separately, one to each of a subject's ears, using stereo headphones. A beating tone will be perceived, as if the two tones mixed naturally, out of the brain. The frequency of the tones must be below about 1,000 to 1,500 hertz for the beating to be heard. The difference between the two frequencies must be small (below about 30 Hz) for the effect to occur; otherwise, the two tones will be heard separately and no beat will be perceived. Binaural beats are of interest to neurophysiologists investigating the sense of hearing. Second, binaural beats reportedly influence the brain in more subtle ways through the entrainment of brainwaves and can be used to produce relaxation and other health benefits such as pain relief "
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Post by sin on Dec 21, 2009 9:22:39 GMT -6
I think it's key to understanding the nature of the self, before one can truly awaken and stay awake. If you do not understand what must be worked on, how can one begin the awakening process?
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Post by nixx on Dec 22, 2009 9:25:10 GMT -6
As I've just started in this method, I'm not sure at what "level" I'm at, but I generally remind myself that I'm asleep, that everything around me is a dream, & then affirm taking conscious control & awakening. Since I've been doing this, I've become much more mindful of what's going on within me & around me & it has also been easier to manipulate events on the small scale & occasionally the large.
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Post by boksmutant on Jan 31, 2011 0:09:40 GMT -6
A simple exercise I try to do every day is just breath. Let go of the past & all the things I gotta do tomorrow & just breath. Someone once told me that its the greatest & most unrecognized power we have over ourselves. It effects so much about how you feel & how you take things in. From how well you digest your food to how well you listen, everything.
What ever your doing right now stop & just take one deep breath. The endorphins do their job as well as the rush of oxygen to the brain.
Another way of remaining awake is to being surrounded by spiritual people. Which is what the forum is excellent at since were so spread out. Self progress & spirituality should be the only things discussed throughout our lives. The world & the strangers its filled with are distraction enough, we must remember the goal to awaken at all times.
Consider when you went to 5th grade camp or on a boyscout trip for a long duration. You activated all the"I"s that would prepare you for that extended trip. You prepared your self to be around all those people & to be a participant in all the activities. This is what helped you deal with the sudden change in environment. So it is with being around spiritual or inquisitive people; you allow yourself to be opened to a greater purpose, a greater meaning, and a lot more of your"I"s become accustomed to that desire.
One trick that helps me is to read through the forum at least every day. Old stuff, new stuff it doesn't matter. The things we discuss here can almost be thought of as gospels. Anyway.
Awake!
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Post by Erebos on Feb 5, 2011 12:26:11 GMT -6
This thread didn't get much attention when i started it over a year ago. It would seem that there has been a flux in the last couple weeks so maybe this is a good time to talk about techniques for maintaining the awakened state etc. I would like to introduce another technique which i have found to work. `start by lying on the ground, anywhere is fine but somewhere you don't usually frequent is best. `Lay on your back, arms at the side, legs parallel(almost like c coffin pose) `close your eyes `then begin to sink yourself. this is a druidic practice. start buy breathing slow and deep. then just let each of your limbs 'sink' into the ground. ie. let it drop into its own dead wait. the traditional way is to do your entire body very slowly but its not necessary. `now open your eyes slowly `treat everything as if you have never experienced it before. so basically sit up slowly, pay attention to everything you do, think, feel, notice. because you've "never been in this body, this existence" I know it sounds kind of silly but it works this should make you do things deliberately, albeit slowly. this can help to awaken and you could hold that state for much longer. This has worked very good for me except I do it a little different. I don't really lay on my back but I follow all the other steps anywhere I feel I need a boost. Almost a combination between boksmutant and yours. I will do it in the shower, the car, or really anywhere works for me. It works significantly well, I get a great boost of energy and a focus of them mind which is very useful. I never tried laying on back as of yet, but if I have a horrible day where my way of doing it does not work I will probably try laying on my back to do this as I can where that would be more relaxing and seems like it would be a greater boost. So far from the past four days I read that post and tried it all the days have been good and with a sense of awakening. I was productive, observant, and anything else I could've hoped for. Also four days in a row is really good with what I have to deal with during the day and I'm still going. Thank you, this has helped significantly and anyone reading this should try it. Belief Is Reality!
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Post by loganvonkannibal on Mar 29, 2011 10:24:56 GMT -6
I think to become Awake, one must first truly recognize themselves as a mortal and as a God. To do this all you really need to do is take several hours to meditate and think back on your life and every aspect of your life. By doing this you can try to predict future self and true to conquer any problems with your future self, that is only one part of becoming Awakened.
There is also one other thing you could so is release emotions in certain ways like breaking things, throwing stuff, etc. by doing so you are releasing negative emotion allowing you to focus on becoming more and more Awake each and every day.
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 29, 2011 13:20:17 GMT -6
I think to become Awake, one must first truly recognize themselves as a mortal and as a God. To do this all you really need to do is take several hours to meditate and think back on your life and every aspect of your life. By doing this you can try to predict future self and true to conquer any problems with your future self, that is only one part of becoming Awakened. There is also one other thing you could so is release emotions in certain ways like breaking things, throwing stuff, etc. by doing so you are releasing negative emotion allowing you to focus on becoming more and more Awake each and every day. There's probably not much harm in reflecting back on one's life; however, keep in mind that a person will remember their life wrongly if they remain asleep. For example, you might recall always being taken advantage of by others. That is because you currently believe you are owed something right now. Once you stop making accounts, then the slate is clean. One's past and future will also be clean if the right things are let go... released.
Breaking and throwing things is expressing negative emotions! You are not solving a problem, brother. You are simply putting a new hat on it. Dealing with issues, obstacles, and concerns in a mature, detached manner is the way to go.
Does that make sense? This isn't kid's stuff, by the way. The Great Work is not for children.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by loganvonkannibal on Mar 29, 2011 18:00:36 GMT -6
I think to become Awake, one must first truly recognize themselves as a mortal and as a God. To do this all you really need to do is take several hours to meditate and think back on your life and every aspect of your life. By doing this you can try to predict future self and true to conquer any problems with your future self, that is only one part of becoming Awakened. There is also one other thing you could so is release emotions in certain ways like breaking things, throwing stuff, etc. by doing so you are releasing negative emotion allowing you to focus on becoming more and more Awake each and every day. There's probably not much harm in reflecting back on one's life; however, keep in mind that a person will remember their life wrongly if they remain asleep. For example, you might recall always being taken advantage of by others. That is because you currently believe you are owed something right now. Once you stop making accounts, then the slate is clean. One's past and future will also be clean if the right things are let go... released.
Breaking and throwing things is expressing negative emotions! You are not solving a problem, brother. You are simply putting a new hat on it. Dealing with issues, obstacles, and concerns in a mature, detached manner is the way to go.
Does that make sense? This isn't kid's stuff, by the way. The Great Work is not for children.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
Well, than what's the point of having an open cult if half the teachings kids can't participate in? There's no point, you should make the whole board and site 18+ in that case. P.S. what I meant by the throwing stuff thing is it is a form of release, is it helpful, probably not, but it does help when trying to get harmful emotions out. But then again I wouldn't recommend it to the easily angered, they could end ruining their house haha.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2011 3:56:47 GMT -6
Well, than what's the point of having an open cult if half the teachings kids can't participate in? There's no point, you should make the whole board and site 18+ in that case. P.S. what I meant by the throwing stuff thing is it is a form of release, is it helpful, probably not, but it does help when trying to get harmful emotions out. But then again I wouldn't recommend it to the easily angered, they could end ruining their house haha.
That's a behavior for a naughty child, not for an awakening man.
Please participate, but keep in mind that you have to know more about life before understanding the secrets of the universe...
Don't worry, be happy, make efforts.
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 30, 2011 13:54:10 GMT -6
A good question. Here's my answer: we have a more or less open religion so that the 10% of human beings who stumble upon our paradigm can effectively use the knowledge presented.
If 100 people accidentally wandered into the CoC forum because of a vague, casual interest in Lovecraft or Satanism or Chaos Magic, then I estimate only about 10 individuals would want to stay and participate. The other 90 wouldn't "get it". The knowledge would only go so far before it trailed off into nothing, no action, no deeper meaning... a lack of crystallization.
Some 16 year olds are more mature or advanced than a lot of people in their 40's. It's relative. We use age as a guideline. The CoC recognizes 15 year olds as young adults, but that doesn't mean most teenagers are ready for those untenable, crepuscular secrets to which we piously adhere.
I get where your advice was coming from, but I don't ask people with a broken leg to use their dislocated shoulder as a crutch to smooth things over. Expressing negative emotions might be the largest personal obstacle we face. Therefore, it's imperative that workable solutions are implemented.
Indeed, Yrreiht is correct.
The Cult of Cthulhu is a multi-dimensional school; we provide learning on various levels commensurate with a student's capacity to understand. This means that a less worldly individual might only pick up surface ideas while an occultist with decades of experience might be able to glean the full depth of our emerald paradigm.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by lokidreaming on Mar 30, 2011 19:40:35 GMT -6
There is an analogy that I use regardless wether a person is on a path of knowledge (in terms of spirituality, occult, other belief systems and however you internalize it) and those that are not on the path of knowledge or starting or something new has got there interests or regardless of ones age.
A person is essentially a young cub running around playing and chasing things left right and center. That cub has got so much natural energy, that when the wise wolf teaches the cub to hunt and catch the prey, the young cub from time to time gets too greedy, headstrong knows it all and pounces too early and the prey escapes.
While the wise wolf has learnt and grown and now sits back passively and watches the young cubs at work and play and remembering themselves as cubs. A|s you tell wise wolfs have a knowing grace to their movements and is one step of the others and watches and observes.
I myself am very mellow at the moment as I am can both sides of the fence due to my age, I can see from the cubs point of view and thwe wise wolfs point of view.
Belief Is Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by loganvonkannibal on Mar 30, 2011 20:21:35 GMT -6
A good question. Here's my answer: we have a more or less open religion so that the 10% of human beings who stumble upon our paradigm can effectively use the knowledge presented.
If 100 people accidentally wandered into the CoC forum because of a vague, casual interest in Lovecraft or Satanism or Chaos Magic, then I estimate only about 10 individuals would want to stay and participate. The other 90 wouldn't "get it". The knowledge would only go so far before it trailed off into nothing, no action, no deeper meaning... a lack of crystallization.Some 16 year olds are more mature or advanced than a lot of people in their 40's. It's relative. We use age as a guideline. The CoC recognizes 15 year olds as young adults, but that doesn't mean most teenagers are ready for those untenable, crepuscular secrets to which we piously adhere.I get where your advice was coming from, but I don't ask people with a broken leg to use their dislocated shoulder as a crutch to smooth things over. Expressing negative emotions might be the largest personal obstacle we face. Therefore, it's imperative that workable solutions are implemented.Indeed, Yrreiht is correct.
The Cult of Cthulhu is a multi-dimensional school; we provide learning on various levels commensurate with a student's capacity to understand. This means that a less worldly individual might only pick up surface ideas while an occultist with decades of experience might be able to glean the full depth of our emerald paradigm.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
Thank you, this clears things up for me alot, and I do wish to stay and I am 15. I do "get it" and realize, now, that SOME things aren't for kids, but do wish to particiapte in the fourth way, maybe just not give my opioin on the subject haha, aka just shut the hell up and go with it, eh?
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 31, 2011 13:03:29 GMT -6
Participation in Work discussions is vital. Just be prepared for learning that what you thought was true is actually false and vice versa.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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