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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Aug 24, 2008 22:39:01 GMT -6
Cthulhu Cult plainly says that real world effort can be classed as a form of magic. So i just wondered what was entailed by this. I asume basic manipulation of people would come under this idea, but i would by no means deam it magic. I think if you where to, then the term magic is suffering some harshe injustices.
On the other hand i ave performed some rituals, and combined them with real world effort. eg. performing a spell, with much lower effect, like planting an idea in someones head, and then acting on the spell. This serves well because the simple spells hold 100% success rate for me, then acting on it fills in the rest. rather then performing an elaborate ceremony, for some far of goal.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 24, 2008 23:12:54 GMT -6
i personally define magic as "willed change", so that would include real world effort. however, you can define magic as you wish.
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Post by mari66 on Aug 25, 2008 2:09:01 GMT -6
I believe the stronger the person's Will becomes, in the practice of the Occult, the more he/she is able to manipulate his/her surroundings with little effort.
Its one of the reasons to control angry or wayward thoughts, because once the Mage has connected himself/herself with the Gods and astral spirits, his/her Will may create a situation that was not really desired.
I have discovered that I am connected mentally with family and close friends. If I happen to be thinking of them, and want them to call me,I will get a unexpected phone call from them.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Aug 25, 2008 16:16:24 GMT -6
I have the same thing with my girlfriend. If i am thinking of her, or something reminds me of her. I usually receive a text message or phone call.
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Post by jmsn on Aug 25, 2008 19:14:44 GMT -6
i personally define magic as "willed change", so that would include real world effort. however, you can define magic as you wish.
VS I tend to be an artistic type sometimes.If I wanted to improve my skills and willfully spent more and more time drawing and refining it for example and improved,I guess that'd be real world effort. I suppose one can do magick and still fail due to a lack of real world effort right?I mean if I summoned a demon to get Picasso's skills but spent no time drawing,it'd be a waste right?
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Post by youma on Aug 25, 2008 20:02:12 GMT -6
I've read an interesting point of view on a voodoo site. The houngan offered his services in helping curing diseases using potions and rituals, but he insisted on not interrupting any regular treatment, that there was no contradiction between the materialistic and magical approach: as the material and spiritual world are two aspects of the same thing, acting upon one will influe on the other. He used some of the money he raised to have the plants he used analysed to identify the chemicals in them, because he considered them no less magical after learning through what molecule their virtues manifested themselves, while that knowledge could hint at better ways to use them. No contradiction in that; if you have many tools to reach a given goal, it makes sense to use all who seem necessary.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 25, 2008 21:52:39 GMT -6
right.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Aug 26, 2008 0:40:32 GMT -6
I've read an interesting point of view on a voodoo site. The houngan offered his services in helping curing diseases using potions and rituals, but he insisted on not interrupting any regular treatment, that there was no contradiction between the materialistic and magical approach: as the material and spiritual world are two aspects of the same thing, acting upon one will influe on the other. He used some of the money he raised to have the plants he used analysed to identify the chemicals in them, because he considered them no less magical after learning through what molecule their virtues manifested themselves, while that knowledge could hint at better ways to use them. No contradiction in that; if you have many tools to reach a given goal, it makes sense to use all who seem necessary. Thats a very good point..
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Post by Yevathik on Aug 26, 2008 6:45:34 GMT -6
I tend to define magic as willed change as well, but only in terms of change brought about by will alone, rather than something more mundane like willing your hand to move and then causing the neurons in your body to move it.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Aug 26, 2008 17:45:19 GMT -6
Thats what im meant. Will alone(perhaps with the help of ritual, or spellcraft)
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