Post by I AM the Way on Jul 13, 2008 11:16:23 GMT -6
after all that's been said and done, i think this long, occult prose poem qualifies as a magical operation. so if you have comments, suggestions, or questions about the linguistic hyper sigil, then post them here.
also, just got this email a short while ago; thought i'd post it, as well as, my reply.
Well, to begin with, there is no such thing as a prose poem, about the
closest thing to such concept is lyrical prose, which your Unbearable
Fruit is not. Prose is defined as any writing that isn't poetry, and
poetry is defined as any writing that isn't prose. Each can only
really be defined as not being the other. This is only the first thing
that makes my inner English major cry. To be honest, by the end of
your poem he managed to fill my soul with oceans of tears.
Religious poetry, as a secular thing, tends to be some of the most
horrible poetry ever devised. There are some exceptions, but generally
these are Christian poems written by adept poets, and they're still
one in a million longshots, it just so happens Christianity has a much
bigger base and longer history to work off of (there are a lot more
bad Christian poems if you look for them).
Which brings us to the only possible redeeming value of the poem,
magical ability. Such a thing can exist. See the history of Celtic
poetry, magical languages, magical quality of musical notes, ect. to
get an idea of how to go about this. Yours doesn't do anything though,
I'm sorry. I so hoped it would evoke some horrible old one or
something similar, I mean, then I'd have something to do today. But it
didn't. And I evoke two, three things at least every day on accident.
So if it could've worked, it should've, but it didn't. So forgive me,
but I don't see any metaphysical point to your poem. It's something
you maybe put a lot of time and energy into, but it has no real
practical value.
I've been through your sites too, and I can't find anything of
practical use in there. There's not even anything far enough along
that I can work with it. Just alot of sound and fury absent substance
and amounting to nothing.
You talk quite a bit about becoming a god, yet I don't even thing you
have the first idea of what a god is. Have you tried talking to gods?
I mean, if you really want to be one, good for you, and the gods are
usually encouraging of such goals, but I don't think you're on the
best path to godhood right now, I don't even think you know what that
means. Talk to the gods, learn of what you speak.
Don't think you've been in contact with the Cthulu mythos stuff
either. You don't seem to be working directly with the primals, the
things that generally fill in for the lovecraftian things. You haven't
been horrified by them yet, and you don't have that special brand of
insanity or that icky taint that those working with things seem to
have.
Your board seems rather active and you have a stronger online
following than a lot do, so congrats on that. Such a thing, in and of
itself, is hard to mantain. But in the end its much like the site,
lots of noise, almost nothing of significant value. No practical
information, and none of your members seem to be doing serious
practical work. Not a single one seemed to be even initiate material,
very few were even neophyte material.
Learn of what you speak, get some practical work up there so people
can see some results, and then maybe you'll have something worthwhile
on your site. But to me you don't seem to be too compatible with the
primal forces, or even much of the left hand path. I'm guessing if you
ever find anything real, your path will change considerably.
Best of luck in all of your endeavors,
-Rob
i can understand your criticism of Unbearable Fruit because that was a complete experiment from beginning to end and i have no preconceived expectations regarding its usefulness. however, your beliefs of prose poetry lost you some credibility to start with. it took me all of 3 seconds to find this on Wikipedia:Prose poetry is usually considered a form of poetry written in prose that breaks some of the normal rules associated with prose discourse, for heightened imagery or emotional effect, among other purposes.
so, there you go. and then you started ripping on the website's material. if you don't like my take on the Mythos or how i've used it, that's perfectly ok. however, do me a favor... don't bother trying to play on any insecurity, apprehension, or gullibility i might have. because i have none. it's gone. and so is the potency of your critique.
our forum has a lot of experience and action. maybe not as much as i'd like, but enough. if you have specific views on what is, or is not, primal, then post them on the CoC forum and be judged by your peers. however, if your views are too precious and delicate to withstand scrutiny... alas, they are probably worthless.
sincerely,
VS
also, just got this email a short while ago; thought i'd post it, as well as, my reply.
Well, to begin with, there is no such thing as a prose poem, about the
closest thing to such concept is lyrical prose, which your Unbearable
Fruit is not. Prose is defined as any writing that isn't poetry, and
poetry is defined as any writing that isn't prose. Each can only
really be defined as not being the other. This is only the first thing
that makes my inner English major cry. To be honest, by the end of
your poem he managed to fill my soul with oceans of tears.
Religious poetry, as a secular thing, tends to be some of the most
horrible poetry ever devised. There are some exceptions, but generally
these are Christian poems written by adept poets, and they're still
one in a million longshots, it just so happens Christianity has a much
bigger base and longer history to work off of (there are a lot more
bad Christian poems if you look for them).
Which brings us to the only possible redeeming value of the poem,
magical ability. Such a thing can exist. See the history of Celtic
poetry, magical languages, magical quality of musical notes, ect. to
get an idea of how to go about this. Yours doesn't do anything though,
I'm sorry. I so hoped it would evoke some horrible old one or
something similar, I mean, then I'd have something to do today. But it
didn't. And I evoke two, three things at least every day on accident.
So if it could've worked, it should've, but it didn't. So forgive me,
but I don't see any metaphysical point to your poem. It's something
you maybe put a lot of time and energy into, but it has no real
practical value.
I've been through your sites too, and I can't find anything of
practical use in there. There's not even anything far enough along
that I can work with it. Just alot of sound and fury absent substance
and amounting to nothing.
You talk quite a bit about becoming a god, yet I don't even thing you
have the first idea of what a god is. Have you tried talking to gods?
I mean, if you really want to be one, good for you, and the gods are
usually encouraging of such goals, but I don't think you're on the
best path to godhood right now, I don't even think you know what that
means. Talk to the gods, learn of what you speak.
Don't think you've been in contact with the Cthulu mythos stuff
either. You don't seem to be working directly with the primals, the
things that generally fill in for the lovecraftian things. You haven't
been horrified by them yet, and you don't have that special brand of
insanity or that icky taint that those working with things seem to
have.
Your board seems rather active and you have a stronger online
following than a lot do, so congrats on that. Such a thing, in and of
itself, is hard to mantain. But in the end its much like the site,
lots of noise, almost nothing of significant value. No practical
information, and none of your members seem to be doing serious
practical work. Not a single one seemed to be even initiate material,
very few were even neophyte material.
Learn of what you speak, get some practical work up there so people
can see some results, and then maybe you'll have something worthwhile
on your site. But to me you don't seem to be too compatible with the
primal forces, or even much of the left hand path. I'm guessing if you
ever find anything real, your path will change considerably.
Best of luck in all of your endeavors,
-Rob
i can understand your criticism of Unbearable Fruit because that was a complete experiment from beginning to end and i have no preconceived expectations regarding its usefulness. however, your beliefs of prose poetry lost you some credibility to start with. it took me all of 3 seconds to find this on Wikipedia:Prose poetry is usually considered a form of poetry written in prose that breaks some of the normal rules associated with prose discourse, for heightened imagery or emotional effect, among other purposes.
so, there you go. and then you started ripping on the website's material. if you don't like my take on the Mythos or how i've used it, that's perfectly ok. however, do me a favor... don't bother trying to play on any insecurity, apprehension, or gullibility i might have. because i have none. it's gone. and so is the potency of your critique.
our forum has a lot of experience and action. maybe not as much as i'd like, but enough. if you have specific views on what is, or is not, primal, then post them on the CoC forum and be judged by your peers. however, if your views are too precious and delicate to withstand scrutiny... alas, they are probably worthless.
sincerely,
VS