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Post by ludvigprinn on Jun 28, 2008 5:52:15 GMT -6
Donald Tyson a well known writer on ritual magic has written 4 books on Cthulhu based magic which are out from Llewellyn one of the world's most popular occult publishers. Apparently sales of his version of the Necronomicon have been very good indeed and it has a growing readership and has been translated into several other languages. Now his Nec has been hailed by some as the best one yet by some because it is close to Lovecraft others don't like it. It contains a load of spells and ritual magical references worked into the text Find out about Tyson here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_TysonHis Mythos works are: Necronomicon : The Wanderings of Alhazred (2004) www.amazon.com/Necronomicon-Wanderings-Alhazred-Donald-Tyson/dp/0738706272 Alhazred: Author of the Necronomicon (2006), A novel based on his Necronomicon
Secrets of the Necronomicon : The Necronomicon Tarot (2007). He is soon to publish Grimoire of the NecronomiconPublisher: Llewellyn Publications (August 2008) Given the easy availability of Llewellyn books it seems likely that his work will become one of the most significant works on Mythos magic and will bring a lot of people into the fold. Some I have talked to think Tyson's vision of the mythos is wrong and criticise his growing influence saying it brings Lovecraft magic into the mainstream where it can be controlled by corporate interests. Llewellyn are well known for their fluffy new age Wicca lite books and are making a lot of mony out of this. Tyson's Grimoire of the Necronomicon could become the standard workbook on Mythos magic in the future it certainly looks like that what Tyson is aiming to achieve. But given that the Simon Necronomicon made Lovecraft magic big business years ago this seems a foolish criticism. I have been exploring Tyson's works for a few years with good results.I was wondering what the Cult of Cthulhu's take on this is. Looking for feedback from others whether positive or negative.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 28, 2008 14:08:35 GMT -6
if one likes any particular system or system fragment and it seems to work for the practitioner, then use it. that's the Cult of Cthulhu's take.
i've never talked to Mr. Tyson, so beyond the content of his books, i don't have an opinion of the man or his particular influence on Mythos occultism.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by ludvigprinn on Jun 28, 2008 14:17:21 GMT -6
What do you think of the books out of interest? Have you used them in magical work at all.
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Post by redbaron998 on Jun 28, 2008 18:31:58 GMT -6
I admit it, I love Tyson's work. I have his Necro. and the wanderings of Alhazred.
This are just so real to me and definetly stirke a cord in me. I also picked up the Tarot deck and plan to utilize it someday
I cant wait for his new book.
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Post by ludvigprinn on Jun 29, 2008 21:03:19 GMT -6
He does seem to have really identified with Alhazred. Seems to me that some of text of the Nec is the result of channelled workings. Going to be interesting to see what the Grimoire has in it. Still not convinced by some of his ideas like the choice of 7 old ones as leaders but it is still interesting and seems to work.
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Post by ruan7321 on Jul 5, 2008 2:23:26 GMT -6
Apperantly my Grimoire of the Necronomicon is shipping as we speak...
Will let you know what I think of it as soon as I get it.
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Post by redbaron998 on Jul 6, 2008 11:41:05 GMT -6
Woah, I totally lost tack of time...must place order
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Jul 29, 2008 23:06:16 GMT -6
I was inspired to post info about Donald Tyson's work. While I dont agree with every bit of info given, the "Grimoire of the Necronomicon" gives interesting info, such as various rituals involving the old ones, explaining WHY EARTH seems to be their focus, giving different astralogical and symbolic atributes to a few of the old ones, and suggestions on how to follow a chosen Old One as a patron. The "paths to the black throne" he speaks of include Yog-Sothoth (astral travel mastery), Yig (kinda like yoga), Cthulhu (War and Willpower), Shub-Niggurath (Tantric/Sex magick), Dagon (wisdom, knowlege), Nyarlathotep (Necromancy), and Azathoth (Detachment, Meditating on Nothingness) He also wrote a story "Necronomicon" which tells the tale of Alhazred and his wanderings, as well as "Alhazred" which focuses more on Alhazred in general. I do like how he aproached the necronomicon, saying that it is NOT a physical book, and that all of the physical books are imperfect renderings.. that the TRUE necronomicon lies in the dream/astral world. He elaberates more on the prophecy of the return of the Old Ones, and how those who can be taught to be as the Old Ones will be given new bodies, made LIKE the Old Ones, and those who CANNOT or WILLNOT be taught will be devoured or enslaved. Just check out the grimore sometime if you want some ideas to intigrate into your own way of doing things. He said a good mental exercise to do for those who choose Cthulhu as a patron may try to hold an image of our lord as long as possible each day. It will strengthen willpower, as well as the ability to do magick with the will alone, as well as develope telepathy and mind control/remote sugestion.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Jul 29, 2008 23:09:05 GMT -6
www.donaldtyson.com/ is the link to his main page. Most of his stuff involves Cerimonial Magick, but he made some contributions, such as the Grimore of the Necronomicon, a story called NECRONOMICON: The Wanderings of Alhazred which has a little magick content but is mostly told in the form of Alhazred's journal, and ALHAZRED, a novel telling more of the story of Alhazred. He also made www.templeofdagon.com/archives/necronomicon-tarot-by-donald-tyson/. I do believe in his idea that the necronomicon is not really a book in the flesh, but in the world of dreams.. the spirit world.. like the Akashic records that many adept in astral travel speak of.
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Post by ruan7321 on Aug 6, 2008 12:07:04 GMT -6
Well, I don't have much to add to this thread. Generally I really liked the book. I think it is really well written and he really establishes a solid mythology for the old ones.
I like the way the rituals are structured and organised and how you go about performing rites every day. He also goes into a blueprint for his own esoteric order called "The Order of the Old Ones".
One thing that I must note that, even though Tyson says he will probably be lumped in with other "satanic" authors for this grimoire, I get the feeling that through the whole grimoire he is trying to say that the Old Ones are actually Higher "angelic" / "good" spiritual beings who want to restore everything to its Higher State. And at the same time he creates a kind of "devil" in the form a Nyarlahotep. Almost like Azathoth = God and Nyarlahotep = Satan.
Im not saying that this is what he is doing or trying to do, just how I percieve it after my first reading.
Some believe the Old Ones are "evil" / "good", other say they are too alien to have these human caracteristics.
I like the fact that when you the ultimate goal is to write your name in blood in the TRUE Necronomicon and forever bind yourself to the Old Ones.
I would recommend this book to all CoC members. The 7 paths alone have a lot of things you can incorporate in your own practice.
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Post by mari66 on Aug 22, 2008 20:09:06 GMT -6
Donald Tyson a well known writer on ritual magic has written 4 books on Cthulhu based magic which are out from Llewellyn one of the world's most popular occult publishers. Apparently sales of his version of the Necronomicon have been very good indeed and it has a growing readership and has been translated into several other languages. Now his Nec has been hailed by some as the best one yet by some because it is close to Lovecraft others don't like it. It contains a load of spells and ritual magical references worked into the text Find out about Tyson here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_TysonHis Mythos works are: Necronomicon : The Wanderings of Alhazred (2004) www.amazon.com/Necronomicon-Wanderings-Alhazred-Donald-Tyson/dp/0738706272 Alhazred: Author of the Necronomicon (2006), A novel based on his Necronomicon
Secrets of the Necronomicon : The Necronomicon Tarot (2007). He is soon to publish Grimoire of the NecronomiconPublisher: Llewellyn Publications (August 2008) Given the easy availability of Llewellyn books it seems likely that his work will become one of the most significant works on Mythos magic and will bring a lot of people into the fold. Some I have talked to think Tyson's vision of the mythos is wrong and criticise his growing influence saying it brings Lovecraft magic into the mainstream where it can be controlled by corporate interests. Llewellyn are well known for their fluffy new age Wicca lite books and are making a lot of mony out of this. Tyson's Grimoire of the Necronomicon could become the standard workbook on Mythos magic in the future it certainly looks like that what Tyson is aiming to achieve. But given that the Simon Necronomicon made Lovecraft magic big business years ago this seems a foolish criticism. I have been exploring Tyson's works for a few years with good results.I was wondering what the Cult of Cthulhu's take on this is. Looking for feedback from others whether positive or negative. Thanks for the info on Tyson's Necronomicon, I have his "Ritual Magick" book and I find his no-nonsense approach to the subject informative and easy to read. He is rather harsh on the Satanic Church, and dismisses LaVey as a charlatan,no idea why he has this animosity. I have his "Necronomicon" on my wish list.
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Sept 21, 2008 21:33:46 GMT -6
mine is shipping as we speak should have it soon. im really curious about these Seven Paths... cannot find an elaboration anywhere on google thus far... anyone care to help out?
i mean, is it legit? is anyone using this book in this way, taking a patron deity according to the areas they wish to deepen their knowledge of?
on the face of it id totally choose Cthulhu or Dagon at least according to their horribly brief descriptions.
please tell me if anyone has done so, and whether this book has anything us Cultists can use in our rituals...
what other books do i need (besides the book on the 4th Way by Ouspensky which ive seen too many references to to ignore...)?
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Post by Madguten on Sept 23, 2008 2:20:57 GMT -6
You will probably hear of the Necronomicon (the SIMON one) and the Satanic Bible (by Anton Lavey) quite a lot here. Both can be found online as pdf's or be purchased. But its not a MUST to have read them. There has recently been created a CoC book review section on the ning page. The books are divided into the "Hall of fame" or the "hall of shame" ;D Its in the CoC library group. cultofcthulhu.ning.com/group/coclibrary
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Post by ludvigprinn on Sept 26, 2008 5:36:09 GMT -6
The Grimoire has quit a bit of ritual stuff. So do the others but you have to work to extract it.
Seven Paths
The logic of this approach was apparent from the first book it is based on planetary magic. I have done a number of workings using that approach and they worked very well. The Grimoire suggests a different practise to the one I had been using - using One Patron but I have talked to people who adopted it and it works very well indeed.
Tyson on LaVey
You find that attitude to LaVey amongst a lot of ritual magicians because - LaVey wasn't that interested in magic - he was more interested in creating a philosophical system with bits of magic attached. He thought all existing forms of magic were flawed so he dismisses things Tyson admires so the reaction is natural. I think some of The most interesting bits of magick in the Church of Satan were created by Aquino and it is their different approach to Magic and Satan, Aquino took magic more seriously LaVey did not, which led to Aquino leaving.
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Sept 26, 2008 10:13:20 GMT -6
if one likes any particular system or system fragment and it seems to work for the practitioner, then use it. that's the Cult of Cthulhu's take.
i've never talked to Mr. Tyson, so beyond the content of his books, i don't have an opinion of the man or his particular influence on Mythos occultism.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest Hey HP how rad would it be if you could interview Tyson about hi Mythos work? i'd love for you to pick hi brain and see him answer some of your questions. There's a lot i want to ask him and you would do a waaaaay better job than i or anyone i can think of regarding his interest/inspiration in/for his Mythos books... is this a possibility in the future???
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Sept 26, 2008 10:23:30 GMT -6
The Grimoire has quit a bit of ritual stuff. So do the others but you have to work to extract it. Seven Paths The logic of this approach was apparent from the first book it is based on planetary magic. I have done a number of workings using that approach and they worked very well. The Grimoire suggests a different practise to the one I had been using - using One Patron but I have talked to people who adopted it and it works very well indeed. Tyson on LaVey You find that attitude to LaVey amongst a lot of ritual magicians because - LaVey wasn't that interested in magic - he was more interested in creating a philosophical system with bits of magic attached. He thought all existing forms of magic were flawed so he dismisses things Tyson admires so the reaction is natural. I think some of The most interesting bits of magick in the Church of Satan were created by Aquino and it is their different approach to Magic and Satan, Aquino took magic more seriously LaVey did not, which led to Aquino leaving. thats my main problem with Satanism... its lack of focus on magick and the spiritual. that and its stagnated to a club that kids want to pay $200 to join so they can become a crimson card-carrying non-conformist conformist. thats why i love all of you. HP and every single one of us. this is a real LHP. lol this whole time i tried follow the RHP, thought it would be rad if i put included the legends and gods of my favorite author, but tried to follow the white light, be a goodie-goodie, all peace and love and blah blaaaah blaaaaaah. but thats all an uphill battle for me. i was born the way i am. and being literally Left-Handed, just the term LHP makes me feel like im doing whats right for me. im getting really into Tyson's grimoire, im finding a lot of good stuff in the book. cant wait until his Nec gets here... should be a couple of days at most.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Sept 26, 2008 16:11:23 GMT -6
The Grimoire has quit a bit of ritual stuff. So do the others but you have to work to extract it. Seven Paths The logic of this approach was apparent from the first book it is based on planetary magic. I have done a number of workings using that approach and they worked very well. The Grimoire suggests a different practise to the one I had been using - using One Patron but I have talked to people who adopted it and it works very well indeed. Tyson on LaVey You find that attitude to LaVey amongst a lot of ritual magicians because - LaVey wasn't that interested in magic - he was more interested in creating a philosophical system with bits of magic attached. He thought all existing forms of magic were flawed so he dismisses things Tyson admires so the reaction is natural. I think some of The most interesting bits of magick in the Church of Satan were created by Aquino and it is their different approach to Magic and Satan, Aquino took magic more seriously LaVey did not, which led to Aquino leaving. thats my main problem with Satanism... its lack of focus on magick and the spiritual. that and its stagnated to a club that kids want to pay $200 to join so they can become a crimson card-carrying non-conformist conformist. thats why i love all of you. HP and every single one of us. this is a real LHP. lol this whole time i tried follow the RHP, thought it would be rad if i put included the legends and gods of my favorite author, but tried to follow the white light, be a goodie-goodie, all peace and love and blah blaaaah blaaaaaah. but thats all an uphill battle for me. i was born the way i am. and being literally Left-Handed, just the term LHP makes me feel like im doing whats right for me. im getting really into Tyson's grimoire, im finding a lot of good stuff in the book. cant wait until his Nec gets here... should be a couple of days at most. Very planetary stuff.. that is how I found Cthulhu is alligned with my horoscope, scorpio, as well as from a few other grimoirs. Tyson says that the A:O are beyond good and evil, I DO agree with that, as good/evil are human inventions.
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Post by ludvigprinn on Sept 28, 2008 5:23:26 GMT -6
I liked the planetary system as it connected with my own occult interests. But I have had others attack it for trying to confine truly cosmic entities within a narrow sphere. Which is a good point.
But the way I look at it is that any way of approaching the Old Ones is flawed by our own humanity so use whatever works for you.
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Post by Madguten on Sept 28, 2008 9:11:48 GMT -6
A dude posted some of his Cthulhu study a long time ago on the e-group which included the scorpion of the underworld and this sigil: Its copied in this thread (incase you havent read it already) cocthulhu.proboards105.com/index.cgi
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Post by saxo on Sept 28, 2008 19:58:55 GMT -6
I read two books of Tyson, His Necronomicon and The Enochian Magick for Beginners. His Necronomicon is good for those who want to learn more "history" and Theory than The Rituals. Good book for people who don't know well Who are The Old Ones and Their Philosophy.
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Post by astennoth on Oct 23, 2008 2:22:22 GMT -6
I now own the Necronomicon Tarot and the Grimoire of the Necronomicon. Both are really, really, really good and I have already used some of the powers within in my own rituals.
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Post by sin on Oct 24, 2008 12:49:59 GMT -6
There has recently been created a CoC book review section on the ning page. The books are divided into the "Hall of fame" or the "hall of shame" ;D Its in the CoC library group. cultofcthulhu.ning.com/group/coclibraryThat's good to know, I'll use it and often I'm sure. :-)
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Post by sin on Oct 24, 2008 12:50:29 GMT -6
I now own the Necronomicon Tarot and the Grimoire of the Necronomicon. Both are really, really, really good and I have already used some of the powers within in my own rituals. I was in a store and perused the Tarot deck, it's too 'cartoony' for my taste.
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Nov 2, 2008 18:30:51 GMT -6
I liked the planetary system as it connected with my own occult interests. But I have had others attack it for trying to confine truly cosmic entities within a narrow sphere. Which is a good point. But the way I look at it is that any way of approaching the Old Ones is flawed by our own humanity so use whatever works for you. I'm not to comfy with aligning the Old Ones with Planetary Spheres,but i'm getting his Necro Gerimiore!
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Post by simonzer0 on Jan 5, 2009 16:42:42 GMT -6
Any one have the Hay Necronomicon? I picked that up the other day, to add to my Necronomicon collection, it's interesting, but I still like Simon's better for some reason, prolly sentimentality.
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Post by Madguten on Jan 5, 2009 19:34:16 GMT -6
I dont think i have it either in published or in my printed pdf piles. What is the names of one of the chapters?
The Simon books have been the more popular i think, but know Donald Tyson is moving up (i keep hearing).
I am not reeeeaally satisfied with ANY of the published texts.
But i like the books still.
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