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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 10, 2008 17:04:29 GMT -6
The FBI can't police the world. We are world wide. If they tried they would start a war. If it comes down to it we can comunicate through complex emailing systems
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 10, 2008 17:05:16 GMT -6
^ but then we would look like were up to somthing
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 13, 2008 20:17:43 GMT -6
Ok can we curse emos. not them all to die, just to try and end the god damn fad, wearing black should go back to just being done by a few. surely a few people must also hate the blasted trend.
shaz'rahjeem
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Post by jameson on Mar 13, 2008 20:40:09 GMT -6
I dont feel like cursing anyone.Why curse someone if you haven't spoken to them?I figure its alot better to use glamours to convince others to see things your way and be nice to people.How else would yuou expand a cult.Anyhow,if you come across as nice and smart,even the most hardened thug will treat you with respect.I dunno,think Im changing...dont know who to be anymore but I just find glamours and kindness more effective.
That said,as for freaks like pedophiles,rapists and other social scum,I'd feel much better battering them with all my rage.The wicked who prey on those weaker than them,they I shall curse.Why they enrage me I do not know,but such monsters can't roam freely.
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Post by jasmine on Mar 16, 2008 10:06:32 GMT -6
I do nothing from a fear based perspective. I see most curses as coming from a fear based perspective. I think that one has to consider ones motivations before acting on them. The best curses are the ones that are not emotionally motivated. Cold and calculated is best. One has to maintain balance and control with emotions. If one cannot control something as simple as themselves....then I shudder to see what will happen to that mage when he calls up something really big. Hee hee hee. I have heard from several people lately that are really concerned about the government being able to convict a witch here in the USA for killing with magic. It wont happen. Y'know why? If that is allowed then the belief in the spirits, demons, monsters and things that go bump in the night is accurate. The average mind does not want confirmation that these things actually exist in the world. It would possibly land a temp conviction that would be overturned in the court of appeals. I would also advise that if one is going to kill with magic...don't go advertising it about. If you don't want a reputation as a killer then keep mum about it. I think most people talk about killing with magic because it sounds cool. I only curse as needed and in special circumstances. I will usually look for the path of least Resistance. Such as the aforementioned Hoodoo not Voodoo spell. Hoodoo has very little to do with the worship of deity unlike Voodoo which is all based on spirit relationship with the Loa. Hoodoo is all about what works and using a mixture of differing folk magics to get what you want. If you have an enemy that you have to work with or for....it is much more advisable to curse them with liking you. If you can turn that enemy into an advantage instead of a disadvantage that is just as effective as killing them for getting them out of your hair. In essence it forced them to do your will....and you got a nice new minion out of the process....what is RHP about that Venger? I just don't see it. Magic will always take the path of least resistance whether you like it or not. So I say find the chink in the armour and wiggle and niggle and get what you want. As far as CoC group cursing....I am all for it in order to protect the Cult and thats about it. Anything else smacks of self aggrandizement to me.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 16, 2008 22:29:31 GMT -6
emotions are needed in anymagick, emotions help to focus you, give you desire for the result.
Asuming the caster can control their emotions
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Post by Gish on Mar 17, 2008 5:18:21 GMT -6
Coc Group cursing is a good idea though it would have to be a pretty good reason to curse a person/fad/other thing. As for that FBI.Report_Cthulhu.Cult.PDF I wouldnt mind reading that.
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Mar 17, 2008 5:55:39 GMT -6
I wouldn't be too worried about that FBI report after all, it is source material for the Call of Cthulhu roleplaying game. ;D
This is how it begins:
This is without exception the most miserable excuse for a Bureau case file that I have ever scene. What kind of maniacal rambling is this? What a sprawling morass of verbal chaos and excrement.
I recommend an immediate psychiatric review for agent Neville, and pending the results of such examination, his continued service to the bureau will be reevaluated.
Accordingly, this file is considered without plausible merit and is hereby closed.
I'll upload it on my SkyDrive if you want, you gotta be a micro$oft live member (which is free) in order to get it though. I can send it via MSN too. Or you can download it from isohunt or some other torrent site.
Thanks for reminding me about it, I was supposed to read it but then I forgot. ;D
My MSN/Live id: villelaine@netti.fi
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Post by jasmine on Mar 17, 2008 9:25:02 GMT -6
emotions are needed in anymagick, emotions help to focus you, give you desire for the result. Asuming the caster can control their emotions I am assuming that perhaps you confuse desire and intent with emotion. Have you not sorted them out into their component parts yet?
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 17, 2008 20:27:08 GMT -6
desire is an emotion, intent is under the control of ones conscience.
desire is perhaps a combination of other emotions.
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Post by jasmine on Mar 18, 2008 9:56:06 GMT -6
desire is an emotion, intent is under the control of ones conscience. desire is perhaps a combination of other emotions. It would seem that we are approaching the idea of emotions being useful or non useful to the magical process from two very differing perspectives. Let my try to explain my perspective so you may take a look see: According to Gurdjeiff in his writings on the 4th Way he states that emotions happen too quickly to stop them as they are running out the gate, that one has to practice the art of self observation in order to see the circumstances that cause them to occur. Through self observation I came to realize how false most emotions are. Most are ego centered and addictive. Most have very little to do with any kind of focus and are mostly a distraction to the ability to focus. I feel that you are coming from the perspective of using emotion to preform excitatory or ecstatic ritual. This is all well and good if the Self is aware of the use of this feeling to raise energy. Most people get lost in the sensation and lose focus. Emotions are a distraction and can only be of any benefit if harnessed or understood properly. I disagree with you that desire in relationship to Will is really emotional in context at all. If you are too emotionally involved in the desired outcome of your working it will go badly. It is essential to float free of these influences and listen to true Self. True Self does not feel things the way our personality construct says it does. That is the biggest lie and fallacy that the personality construct creates. I think personally that the only true emotion that the Higher Self can express is love or something like it. It is too complex to understand. MACGREGOR MATTHEWS: "To practice magic, both the imagination and the Will must be called into action, they are co-equal in the work. . . The Will unaided can send forth a current. . . yet its effect is vague and indefinite. . . the Imagination unaided can create an image. . . yet it can do nothing of importance, unless vitalized and directed by the Will." Imagination is key to the ability to successfully do magic....but if your emotions are in the way and you are not focused you will not be acting in accordance with your True Will. I personally feel that unrestrained imagination is where most uncontrolled emotion comes from. When one realizes it is all illusory it becomes unneeded. Yes it is a colder way of being but much the view is much, much clearer from where I am sitting. I think that a lot of people confuse desire and intent with strong emotion. The difference is that of a whisper that can be heard for miles or a shout that dies on the wind.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 18, 2008 23:57:24 GMT -6
Not to be sexist, but perhaps as a male i have control over my emotions, rather then just completely cutting them off.
I find rage and anger to be a very useful emotion, during my chaos scorcery, but that would only be when that emotion is needed for the particular outcome. "After the initial feeling of nothingness, comes a calm joyfulness. Entering the second state allows a cultist to build energy,[glow=red,2,300]discipline[/glow], and understanding" ccbible
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Post by jasmine on Apr 3, 2008 11:13:56 GMT -6
Sigh...it is so difficult to express my perceptions these days. If you truly believe that I am cutting off my emotions then you have not gained true Understanding yet and without that there can be no conversation here.
I am sorry for you truly.
Good luck with that discipline thing.
Jaz.
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Post by docdr on Apr 6, 2008 13:03:18 GMT -6
I was considering cursing a teacher. But instead I used some hate filled red magick. I havent had a problem with his despondence since. his whole attitude turned around for everyone as well.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Aug 10, 2008 22:37:41 GMT -6
If the Cult wants to experiment with a collective curse, aim it at some pedophile that everybody can hate for a reason. You know, there is a website that I use when I look at a house for sale to make sure there ISNT a pedo acrost the street. I think it is www.watchdog.com We should choose a random pedo that is near someone on this board, all curse him, and that person can observe the effects.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Aug 10, 2008 22:41:38 GMT -6
Damn.. I cant THINK of an end of thing that I would like to do to those two! Cursing isnt one of them.. unless its the "talk dirty" sort of cursing! A while ago i was on a christian site. and people would ask other people to pray for them, and it was all sickly sweet and happy. however i think we could ddo that he. if one wants to kall for cultists on all corners of the earth to throw a curse with one goal, it would deffinatly increase that goal. That being said i call for the destruction of the veronicas. the end of their success will suffice, however should anyone want to kill them also im up for it. Seriously though, we could hold off on the mass cursing.. we should be as wolves among the sheep untill we become greater in number, and then start showing our true selves. If you want to be evil, for the time being, be lawfully evil.. use the law as a weapon if possible, and learn the loopholes as well. Cursing people isnt illigal in the US, but if something happend to the target and one of our members just happend to live close to them, I guess the talk about targeting that person COULD be used as evidance.. the courts would think that you may have phyisically done something since you thought about harming the person anyways.. so if you DO curse, just do it without talking about it. They may not be able to get you for using sorcery, but Im sure they will try to come up with some other way you may be involved..
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Post by Yevathik on Aug 18, 2008 6:01:53 GMT -6
The thing about killing with magic is that while it is technically illegal since you're still committing murder, there's no real way to prove that you did anything at all. It will always look like nothing but a tragic coincidence in the eyes of any court.
See, there is an advantage to being surrounded by people who are dedicated to closing their eyes and ears to anything that doesn't fit their rigid world view, and that is that they will never suspect you of doing anything that they don't believe possible. In this way, the ephemeral laws of man can easily be sidestepped.
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Post by bketsune on Aug 29, 2008 21:34:40 GMT -6
UMMM excuse me, but last time i checked....cursing wasn't always killing. We could:
A)make him suffer financially
B) Curse his actions to bring it into justice
C) make him im-potent (my curse of choice if they are deserving of more fit punishment....along with something else)
D) cause HARM upon them, not death
and the list goes on, don't kill him, make him suffer for the rest of his days so he feels how s/he feels.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Aug 29, 2008 22:05:00 GMT -6
UMMM excuse me, but last time i checked....cursing wasn't always killing. We could: A)make him suffer financially B) Curse his actions to bring it into justice C) make him im-potent (my curse of choice if they are deserving of more fit punishment....along with something else) D) cause HARM upon them, not death and the list goes on, don't kill him, make him suffer for the rest of his days so he feels how s/he feels. Good point.. if they had a long life full of suffering, it would be more enjoyable!
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Post by jmsn on Sept 4, 2008 14:32:03 GMT -6
Not to be sexist, but perhaps as a male i have control over my emotions, rather then just completely cutting them off. I find rage and anger to be a very useful emotion, during my chaos scorcery, but that would only be when that emotion is needed for the particular outcome. "After the initial feeling of nothingness, comes a calm joyfulness. Entering the second state allows a cultist to build energy,[glow=red,2,300]discipline[/glow], and understanding" ccbible desire is an emotion, intent is under the control of ones conscience. desire is perhaps a combination of other emotions. It would seem that we are approaching the idea of emotions being useful or non useful to the magical process from two very differing perspectives. Let my try to explain my perspective so you may take a look see: According to Gurdjeiff in his writings on the 4th Way he states that emotions happen too quickly to stop them as they are running out the gate, that one has to practice the art of self observation in order to see the circumstances that cause them to occur. Through self observation I came to realize how false most emotions are. Most are ego centered and addictive. Most have very little to do with any kind of focus and are mostly a distraction to the ability to focus. I feel that you are coming from the perspective of using emotion to preform excitatory or ecstatic ritual. This is all well and good if the Self is aware of the use of this feeling to raise energy. Most people get lost in the sensation and lose focus. Emotions are a distraction and can only be of any benefit if harnessed or understood properly. I disagree with you that desire in relationship to Will is really emotional in context at all. If you are too emotionally involved in the desired outcome of your working it will go badly. It is essential to float free of these influences and listen to true Self. True Self does not feel things the way our personality construct says it does. That is the biggest lie and fallacy that the personality construct creates. I think personally that the only true emotion that the Higher Self can express is love or something like it. It is too complex to understand. MACGREGOR MATTHEWS: "To practice magic, both the imagination and the Will must be called into action, they are co-equal in the work. . . The Will unaided can send forth a current. . . yet its effect is vague and indefinite. . . the Imagination unaided can create an image. . . yet it can do nothing of importance, unless vitalized and directed by the Will." Imagination is key to the ability to successfully do magic....but if your emotions are in the way and you are not focused you will not be acting in accordance with your True Will. I personally feel that unrestrained imagination is where most uncontrolled emotion comes from. When one realizes it is all illusory it becomes unneeded. Yes it is a colder way of being but much the view is much, much clearer from where I am sitting. I think that a lot of people confuse desire and intent with strong emotion. The difference is that of a whisper that can be heard for miles or a shout that dies on the wind. There were some good arguements on both sides here that I feel would have to be considered before anyone decides a cult cursing. For one ,emotion is useful for building energy,especially emotions on the negative end of the spectrum such as fear and rage.The problem is we let the emotions consume us too often instead of using them as just a tool to build energy. That said as such emotions have a trigger,it is strategically sound to analyze the underlying cause or trigger.Rather than eliminating it,if it can be controlled and not consume a person then it can be used for just that:building energy.An awakened person would more easily be able to do this as they'll know how to control it and when to detach themselves. However, as being the actual cause for the ritual...it is never bright to do a ritual under emotional influences.One is consumed by emotion and not in an objective state of mind enough to see the consequences and how things will backfire.Rather than cursing someone who pisses you off...it may be a better idea to walk away because you probably won't see them ever again! The problem with negative or positive emotions is that one becomes way too immersed in the rapture or rage to place enough energy into visualizing the outcome and dirrecting their will towards it.Hence the flaw in the wank sigil technique.One can easily get too obsessed with the pleasurable feeling of wacking off to have anything productive come of it. Rage is a little different,it may help you visualize your target and a negative outcome but this is emotion and not will being directed to the target.Though negative in intent emotions directed towards people is just wishful thinking in my opinion. I'd like to hear more on your thoughts though!
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Post by saxo on Sept 22, 2008 13:36:39 GMT -6
Can someone curse this guy for me? ;D Im cursing and hexing him with all the curses that I know, but I dont have a Killing Curse...but with other person cursing him maybe he will take a HUUUUUGE time in hospital... Dhaniel Von Linsingen Tavares (fucking asshole German ¬¬).
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Post by Lord Void Bharam'ka on Sept 22, 2008 19:50:31 GMT -6
Can someone curse this guy for me? ;D Im cursing and hexing him with all the curses that I know, but I dont have a Killing Curse...but with other person cursing him maybe he will take a HUUUUUGE time in hospital... Dhaniel Von Linsingen Tavares (fucking asshole German ¬¬). Why... what are the details?
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Post by saxo on Sept 23, 2008 11:49:45 GMT -6
What details? He just tried to kill me...And we keep this fury feeling for each other. Kinda rival...
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Post by Lord Void Bharam'ka on Sept 25, 2008 17:08:29 GMT -6
What details? He just tried to kill me...And we keep this fury feeling for each other. Kinda rival... Rivalry... hmm... As an Enemy or a Nemesis???
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Post by saxo on Sept 28, 2008 20:00:29 GMT -6
More to an Enemy.
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