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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 7, 2008 1:47:50 GMT -6
A while ago i was on a christian site. and people would ask other people to pray for them, and it was all sickly sweet and happy. however i think we could ddo that he. if one wants to kall for cultists on all corners of the earth to throw a curse with one goal, it would deffinatly increase that goal. That being said i call for the destruction of the veronicas. the end of their success will suffice, however should anyone want to kill them also im up for it.
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 7, 2008 10:35:26 GMT -6
are there reasons why you want them (or their success) destroyed?
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Post by baphomet on Mar 7, 2008 12:06:34 GMT -6
Yeah seriously, why do you want them cursed?
... and I might add, why should we go about wasting lots of time and magical energy cursing people we don't even know. Most people who want to "curse others" are usually just acting out of quick tempered knee jerk reactions. I'm guilty of doing such in the past, but now I try to think things through and weigh my options before I make mountains out of molehills.
Besides those girls look pretty hot, and since I don't know them personally, I have no beef against them. Do YOU know them personally? Have they made your life a living hell or something?
... of course this could be a joke and I'm just not sensing it, in which case, whatever...
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Post by Drizzle Drazzle on Mar 7, 2008 12:24:10 GMT -6
How about an enchantment to send the veronicas to my bedroom?
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 7, 2008 16:07:30 GMT -6
Because i hate them with every inch of my body.
besides theres plenty of other girls. could just take one down. and leave the other one. then you can still look at them, i mean there twins.
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Post by youma on Mar 8, 2008 9:15:41 GMT -6
If the Cult wants to experiment with a collective curse, aim it at some pedophile that everybody can hate for a reason.
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Post by Drizzle Drazzle on Mar 8, 2008 12:51:54 GMT -6
Cult Blessings. Alright, I just might take some heat on this one. Look now, I have been into magick and HPL, both for about 17 years now. Actually, my first intentional magickal act, an averse enchantment or curse, was when I was only 11, nearly two decades ago. That operation was successful, and I suffered from no known fallout. However, since then I have learned that I'd rather solve a problem with a blessing, than a curse. Others in here have maybe read Urban Voodoo, www.newfalcon.com/b-urban_voodoo.php by Cristopher Hyatt and Jason S Black. Mr Black relates an anectdote inwhich a rather obnoxious woman was making his life a living heck within his work place. He sent her some blessing of some sort resulting in her getting promoted and thus out of his hair. That is the sort of thing I am talking about. I tend to send petty tyrants and annoying persons in my life money, happiness ect, thus defusing them. It tends to work. Now I look like a goody goody. Ha! Anyhoot, having said all that, I really do hate pedophiles. I've known a couple. The law tends to be too lenient on them. Often the law is not even unleashed upon these said and sick individuals. I'll still likely sit this one out. I will merely encourage/instigate others from the sidelines. Go for it y'all, git 'em!
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Mar 8, 2008 12:56:33 GMT -6
Somehow I tend to agree with gargenstien.
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Post by jameson on Mar 8, 2008 19:31:53 GMT -6
Umm woah,cult getting involved in moral situations and ethics=scary.
I could give two shits if some guys a drug dealing pedophile or how many kids he fucks.His business,not mine.I am beyond care or feel for such moral matters.However,I do like to see people in pain,lets curse him for fun.And we can curse the chicks in the picture just for the hell of it.
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 8, 2008 21:08:34 GMT -6
i can see the rational, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. far too right hand path for me.
you mean in the way that the state is too lenient on unconvicted murderers just walking around? if they aren't caught, then they can't be punished. however, if you are convicted of pedophilia, then your life is pretty much over (sometimes literally while your still in prison).
as strange as it sounds, i feel the CoC does have a degree of social responsibility at stake. raping a child (which is totally different than a consenting yet underage sexual encounter), is wrong. not because it goes against a certain moral code, but because it's just bad for business. it destroys an undeserving person.
that's the same type of thing. we don't curse people for the hell of it. that's what makes the Cult different than some anarchic "satanic" groups of juvenile delinquents. decades from now, this organization is poised to take a leadership role in world affairs. so we may as well start acting with the maturity and understanding befitting our vocation.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 9, 2008 2:00:37 GMT -6
We dont have to curse the girls. i was just picking someone at random from my long listed of hated people, things and odours.
But the meaning of what we could do is still there.
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Post by jameson on Mar 9, 2008 3:10:32 GMT -6
you mean in the way that the state is too lenient on unconvicted murderers just walking around? if they aren't caught, then they can't be punished. however, if you are convicted of pedophilia, then your life is pretty much over (sometimes literally while your still in prison). Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest [/b][/color][/quote] Feel the state is far too lenient on rapist as well.In prison if they find out your a luckyboy,they'll pretty much rip your ass wider than an airport and kill you.End of story,a fate quite deserving only of a person who commited such a heinous act. as strange as it sounds, i feel the CoC does have a degree of social responsibility at stake. raping a child (which is totally different than a consenting yet underage sexual encounter), is wrong. not because it goes against a certain moral code, but because it's just bad for business. it destroys an undeserving person. Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest [/b][/color][/quote] Ok ,as much as I hate morality,I follow my own code, rapping anyone much less imposing one's will on a child (not to exclude the horror of female genital mutilations in shit world countries) is totally fucked up in more ways than I can count.People who do such deserve a splintered wooden stake be driven up the ass until their innards are pulp.The best way to get rid of the pedophile who peddles drugs in my opinion is to have a victim speak out against him,his days in this world would be numbered then. Kinda sorry for my bloodlust,happens from time to time.I think its best we not curse anyone as a cult,but as individuals,that way it limits the liability and cult responsibility if someone goes overboard. That said,I don't longer curse people or do magic these days anyhow.Contract cursings aint my thing.
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Post by baphomet on Mar 9, 2008 10:19:21 GMT -6
I'm not going to take a side, but I will say that the whole "a pedophile in prison is doomed" is bullshit.
I know a girl that was raped while she was underage. Her mother refused to believe her for the longest time, but eventually she was able to bring the offender to court because of photographic evidence.
By the time investigators looked into the issue, the offender had 12 charges filed against him, including forcing sex acts on his underage stepdaughter. But the court didn't want to deal with all these charges, so they dropped most of them. 8, YES 8 charges, were dropped, and you know how much time he got in prison for ruining her life? 8 months. You heard me correctly, 8 months.
Know what he did when he got out? He moved to another state, to start his reputation over again. He's still a registered sex offender, but that doesn't mean he has to tell everyone he meets, nor does it mean that anyone who sees him will know his crimes.
I'm not so much pissed at the fact he was a pedophile as I was at the complete INCOMPETENCE of the law... under which, a teenager at some highschool party caught with enough pot would be thrown in prison longer than he was. If you asked me, the real criminal is the lazy ass court system that doesn't really give two shits about human life, or any kind of justice...
Which is why you gotta make your own justice, and follow your own laws, because those of man tend to ammount to shit.
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Post by baphomet on Mar 9, 2008 10:26:00 GMT -6
....Speaking of liabilities...
there was once a court case where a man actually got charged with "attempted murder" for hiring a local practicioneer to kill off one of his enemies. The judge ruled that "it didn't matter if magic worked or not, but he would still be charged with the crimes of intent to kill, because he thought such methods would work".
I'm pretty sure the case happened in Louisiana and had something to do with voodoo- I can try and look it up if anyone's interested, or you could just run a search yourself.
Just a warning for everyone... considering todays courts are filled with Incompetent lazy bastards under a christian-dictated shitty moralistic code. I'm sure christians would love to take the oppurtunities to throw a sorcerer in jail, and whine about how Satan is still alive with his old ways...
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Post by youma on Mar 9, 2008 13:18:24 GMT -6
My father got away with sexually assaulting children at my school. He lost his job but won his divorce, ending up with no responsability toward his two daughters (that includes me) not a penny of child support to pay and the right to keep the house and everything in it. He even asked the judge to force my mom to give back the backpack full of clothes that she took with her when she left with us. He didn't get the clothes, but he got the cuttlery she had taken. Yep, a mere set of forks and spoons so she could feed us other things than sanswitches while on the road, and even that she couldn't keep. He never felt guilty, whenever he talked about it, he viewed it as justice since "students hate soldiers" (yeah right, 8 years old gay commie liberals r gonna eat your babies for sure!) He probably got away with it because he was in the army and in the early '80s Canada was very dedicated to avoid scandals that could make the federal government look bad. There's no crime severe enough not to go unpunished if a politician benefits from a cover-up.
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Post by Madguten on Mar 9, 2008 15:49:54 GMT -6
So true. The good ol' witch burning days can return in the blink of an eye. Some people treat their surroundings so poorly, it is never fun for anyone. I am glad that you have not been derailed by this. It is often extremely hard to turn such negatives into positives, but here you are, bright, strong and kind. I am glad that it didnt drown you What you write describe leads me to my own personal view about cursings. That they should best be earned. To curse coincidentally and unprovoked is a little careless is you ask me. To curse those who have TRULY brought it upon themselves is different. I will only curse if forced, myself. In my perfect dream world, a curse should never outweigh the act that provoked it and curses should never be cast on those of ones own bloodline. But this isnt my perfect dream world, this is EArth ;D (and so) i fully respect other views on the subject.
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Post by jameson on Mar 9, 2008 17:23:47 GMT -6
No limit to curses though and cursing one's bloodline is hella simple lol.Just ddon't have kids after cursing yourself unless your a sadist.
Its fucking sickening that the courts would let a child molester /abuser off so lightly and persecute drug users with harsher sentences (dont get me started on the Rockerfeller laws).Damnit,are the cops incompetent ,at least tell other prisoners the guys a pedophile so they can torment his stupid ass.
You can get away with totally destroying another human beings mind,body and life if they are a child?The psychological damage done long term by such an act is astronomical.Yet if you get caught with a little baggy of weed,your ass wont see the light of day for a good 8-10 years.WTF ,justice system is retarded.Rape suspects seem to get off too easy too and rape totally cripples the mind and body of the victim.America,home of the retarded.I am not impressed with a good many things in this country much less planet as a whole.
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Mar 9, 2008 17:27:50 GMT -6
I read from the paper a while ago that there's an injection (of what substance!?) that's supposed to cure pedophiles and other sexual offenders. By suppressing their desires, or what the fuck is that new drug about?
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 9, 2008 18:44:57 GMT -6
i'm all for cursing truly deserving individuals.
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Post by jameson on Mar 9, 2008 20:21:08 GMT -6
Then please ,can we start by cursing John McCain. If that fucking bastard becomes president progress will move backwards a good 40 or 50 years.
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Post by baphomet on Mar 9, 2008 20:27:38 GMT -6
... I'm with cursing derserving individuals as well, but I say it should be a personal thing, and not a cult effort...
Three reasons.
1) Whether or not the target is "deserving" is subjective. Not everyone is going to agree, and some people may even disagree.
2) Like I mentioned before, liabilities. If it's mentioned on a public forum, they could get you for "attempted murder" at worst, or possibly conspiracy.
3) If you're going for a metaphysical strike, do so quickly and without warning. Why make a big deal about it? The deadliest assasins are those never seen.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 9, 2008 22:39:07 GMT -6
1.If we do cult cursings then the articapints would be participating by there choice, you can't force someone to cast successful magik, it just won't work.
2.Its not illegel to kill through magik, thats one of the reason we do.
3.I also highly doubt many of the victims will see it coming, especially if its done accross countries.
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Post by jameson on Mar 9, 2008 23:24:19 GMT -6
1-Magick cant be proven for 1 thing what charge is there for witchcraft in the US? 2-There is no telling who the participants really are so only contact between individual messages can be maintained for a group cursing,thus invisibility remains. 3-Those who see fit to do something in a grouping should contact eachother,thus remaining invisible and magnifying the effects.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 10, 2008 0:15:18 GMT -6
1-Magick cant be proven for 1 thing what charge is there for witchcraft in the US? 2-There is no telling who the participants really are so only contact between individual messages can be maintained for a group cursing,thus invisibility remains. 3-Those who see fit to do something in a grouping should contact eachother,thus remaining invisible and magnifying the effects. all the more reason
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 10, 2008 10:43:07 GMT -6
i think you mean Hillary Clinton.
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Post by baphomet on Mar 10, 2008 15:09:04 GMT -6
1.If we do cult cursings then the articapints would be participating by there choice, you can't force someone to cast successful magik, it just won't work. 2.Its not illegel to kill through magik, thats one of the reason we do. 3.I also highly doubt many of the victims will see it coming, especially if its done accross countries. About number 2, I've addressed this before. Plotting with intent to kill, be it through magic, poison, hired assasins, whatever is ILLEGAL. There was a court case where a man was jailed for just that. The judge ruled that it didn't matter if magic was "real" or not, but that he had THOUGHT THE MAGIC WOULD WORK AND ATTEMPTED IT. It's the same as if a backyard chemist tries to make a poison with intent to kill - IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE POISON ACTUALLY WORKS, if they're making it with the INTENT TO KILL OR HARM and they catch you, then you're screwed. Likewise, even if they don't catch you publically announcing curses, they could still get you on charges of conspiracy. So for all legal purposes, I'm having nothing to do with any curses any of you decide to do publically on this forum. Do whatever you want, but remember in this day and age when the government monitors everything and the christian majority is always pushing for censorship and people are getting busted over internet forums for drugs, underage drinking, or all sorts of stupid shit, then go ahead. Do whatever you want, but I'm not going to get in trouble over something stupid.
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Post by baphomet on Mar 10, 2008 15:10:29 GMT -6
i think you mean Hillary Clinton.
VSI believe the tagline for the original AVP movie is appropriate for this upcoming election: WHOEVER WINS, WE LOSE
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Post by Madguten on Mar 10, 2008 15:20:29 GMT -6
ha ha ha! You called it And whoever wins the election, MY government will try to mimic their actions.
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Mar 10, 2008 15:27:54 GMT -6
Regarding possible future problems...
I'm currently downloading a torrent from isohunt.com called "Banned books and other great literature" which contains the following PDF file:
FBI.Report_Cthulhu.Cult.PDF
I do not know what the file contains. I will read it as soon as it has finished downloading.
I wouldn't be that surprised if the Feds already had their eyes on us. Although that doesn't matter much to me since I don't live in the US, but near mighty Russia. ;D
Fuck all kinds of government control. But still it is good to excercise care in this kind of things. And if you're going to KILL somebody, you don't talk about it on a fucking public internet forum.
And smearing the Cult's reputation at this stage is very very premature and foolish I'd say. We're not so powerful yet (in terms of political/social influence at least) that we could afford to become the next Al-Qaeda.
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 10, 2008 16:00:22 GMT -6
hmm, i think there's more to that news story than you're aware of. i don't believe that a US citizen can be convicted of murder, attempted murder, or conspiracy to commit murder by way of magic. that would get thrown out of any court room by any competent lawyer. sorcery is not on any law books that i know of.
i knew that, in time, we would be monitored by such organizations as the FBI. what religious group isn't watched by some government agency? as long as the Cult of Cthulhu is not engaged in criminal behavior, then i can't see a reason for them to interfere. in fact, i'm glad they are peering at us. the FBI should be watching everyone for possible US security threats. i wouldn't be surprised if there was an undercover FBI agent who has officially joined us as a Cthulhu Cultist already.
our organization wants individual human beings to further evolve, but there are other groups or "cults" that just want to terrorize, manipulate, or harm people. and when the CoC is in power, we will use the FBI (or our version of it) to monitor such off-beat groups operating below society's radar.
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