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Post by jtellio on Jun 4, 2012 7:57:22 GMT -6
Perhaps do a Worst five Dr Who stories: 'The Twin Dilemma' must surely be a strong contender.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 4, 2012 10:54:58 GMT -6
Good idea. Might as well go with bottom or worst 10 Who stories. I want to have the top 11 - 20 and 21 - 30 stories up first, though.
Anyone else want to suggest a Dr. Who story or answer the Companion Quiz?
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Post by lokidreaming on Jun 4, 2012 20:41:11 GMT -6
1)Who is your favourite Companion(s)? 2)What is your favourite Doctor Who and Companions combinations? 3) Companions death you are still recovering from? 4)Best Companion(s) introduction? 6)Best Companion reintroduction? 7)Worst Companion(s) exit? 8)Best Doctor Who Scream Queen? 9) Favorutie Doctor Who Love Interest? 10) Best Companions verbal jab/telling off at the Doctor
1) Tie between Sarah Jane Smith and Rose and River Song 2) 3=Doctor, Rose and Jack 2=Doctor, Sarah Jane Smith and Harry Sullivan 1=Doctor, Nyssia, Tegan and Adric 3)1=!!!ADRIC!!!, Earthshock; even after all these years Adrics death is one of the most memorable death scenes of a beloved TV character ie even those who are not Doctor Who fans still remember that scene very vividly. 2=Lynda "The Parting of The Ways 3=Sara Kingdom, Katarina in The Dalek's Master Plan; over time Katarina's death has been an Doctor Who in joke, that's what you get when the Doctor chooses a companion from the past and puts them in space and not being able to adjust to the present situation ie, the trojan didn't know what an air lock was, so she thought she was pushing him out the door. 4=Roses departure... 4) Donna Noble, still cracks me up to this day. 6)Sarah Jane Smith in School Reunion 7)Sarah Jane Smith, Leela, Nyssia, was annoying, however Donna Noble, Dodo, Zoe and Jamies departures I am still fuming about, how dare the producers write them out like that!!! 8)Victoria, she did save the day after all with her scream in Fury From The Deep 9)Reinette, The Girl In The Fireplace, Rose; also Doctor, Rose and Jack; they did have a 3some? 10) Both Romanas and River Song especially when River Song point out that the TARDIS break is on...
Can't remember what 5 was suppose to be.
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Post by lokidreaming on Jun 4, 2012 20:53:41 GMT -6
9) Aussie Tegan bawling at 'wet' Peter Davison Dr, 'a broken clock keeps better time than you, at least it's right twice in a day' That is what happens when the Doctor has the breaks on the TARDIS and doesn't realize it. Yes Tegan was a whining bitch (took me years to overcome that part), but one slowly warmed up to her, her departures was one of the best sends off ever, she runs out, then runs back and declares I am going to miss you. I remember what 5 was suppose to be, Best or Worst Doctor Who Entrance...has nothing to do with companions, but the reason I put it on the list was the 6th Doctor trying to strangle/kill Peri...which reminds me to put Peri on the list of worst companions exit.
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Post by lokidreaming on Jun 4, 2012 21:04:59 GMT -6
Aren't there a lot of similarities between this story and Spearhead from Space? Anyone else have an opinion on Terror of the Autons? It's a good, solid story, so I recommend seeing it, if you haven't yet... but should it be in the top 20?
It's not a companion question, but what about favorite monster? That's not going to be an easy one.
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1) Define Monster please eg, Sontarions, Seaweed Monster, Yeti, Daleks, Cybermen etc etc. 2) Due to watching Spearhead from Space, Terror of the Autons, Child's Play and the The Puppet Master movies in the 1980s when I was a kid, I have a slight phobia of mannequins and big dolls and can get uncomfortable at musems...LOL....apart from that I never was scared of any Doctor Who monsters except for the time I imagined myself being swallowed by that plant thingy. 3) Anybody remember that infamous pic of Katy Manning (Jo Grant) posing naked with a Dalek?
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Post by jtellio on Jun 5, 2012 0:32:52 GMT -6
Katy Manning said she did the Playboy photoshoot as she was 'strapped for cash'. It featured her posing naked with a dalek. On being told of what she'd done by Nick Courtney, Jon Pertwee simply laughed and said, 'Typical Katy.'
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 5, 2012 7:10:53 GMT -6
I thought the quiz was for vintage Dr. Who only. Anyways, I've never seen the new stuff, so those answers are lost on me. This is my quiz - 10 more questions following the ones Loki Dreaming proposed. Vintage Who only! That means 1963 - 1989.
11) Favorite Dr. Who monster (I define monster as not human and not the Master)?
12) Favorite incarnation as the Master?
13) The three hottest / sexiest companions?
14) Favorite final story of the Doctor's regeneration?
15) Favorite first story of the Doctor's regeneration?
16) All-time favorite story? This is different than "the best"... imagine you could only watch one Dr. Who story on DVD for the rest of your life?
17) Worst story... the one you'll never watch again, unless some very special circumstances arise?
18) What actor (at the time - late 80's) should have the Doctor regenerated into after Colin Baker?
19) Favorite line or bit of wisdom from the Doctor?
20) Cast your dream lineup: Doctor, companion(s), head villain, monster, companion, gadget/vehicle, setting, and plot device.
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Post by jtellio on Jun 5, 2012 11:01:19 GMT -6
11) Exxilons 12) Roger Delgado 13) For the gays: Ian, Captain Yates, Ben 14) Planet of the Spiders 15) Spearhead from Space 16) Invasion of the Dinosaurs, for the first b&w episode; has an epic, classic feel. Now available in colour. Sladen and Pertwee are at their best, and London views are historic, as it has altered so much. People moan about poor dinosaur effects, but the story was a classic. Love the filmed scenes where they are attacked by a pterodactyl in the disused garage. Also the fondly remembered, ‘Whomobile’ makes its first appearance. 17) Time Monster is fairly awful; toecurling 70’s dialogue, bad fast motion Bessie sequence. 18) Johnny Depp? 19) ‘It’s an ill wind that blows...’ when they Pertwee and Sarah find the Rover that the thieves left in ep1 of Invasion of Dinosaurs. It makes me laugh. Also, ticking off Jo in Mutants ep 1 , ‘Don’t use words like –wise’ to correct her sloppy English. 20)Pertwee, Sladen, Davros, Daleks, Whomobile, Skaro, nazi philosophy.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 5, 2012 12:19:33 GMT -6
11) Exxilons 12) Roger Delgado 13) For the gays: Ian, Captain Yates, Ben 14) Planet of the Spiders 15) Spearhead from Space 16) Invasion of the Dinosaurs, for the first b&w episode; has an epic, classic feel. Now available in colour. Sladen and Pertwee are at their best, and London views are historic, as it has altered so much. People moan about poor dinosaur effects, but the story was a classic. Love the filmed scenes where they are attacked by a pterodactyl in the disused garage. Also the fondly remembered, ‘Whomobile’ makes its first appearance. 17) Time Monster is fairly awful; toecurling 70’s dialogue, bad fast motion Bessie sequence. 18) Johnny Depp? 19) ‘It’s an ill wind that blows...’ when they Pertwee and Sarah find the Rover that the thieves left in ep1 of Invasion of Dinosaurs. It makes me laugh. Also, ticking off Jo in Mutants ep 1 , ‘Don’t use words like –wise’ to correct her sloppy English. 20)Pertwee, Sladen, Davros, Daleks, Whomobile, Skaro, nazi philosophy. Nice! Could you copy/paste this as a comment for the blog? I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
cultofcthulhu.wall.fm/blogs/post/615
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p.s. I also revamped a couple of Loki Dreaming's questions.
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Post by lokidreaming on Jun 6, 2012 20:07:27 GMT -6
11) Adipose and Weeping Angels 12) Roger Delgado 13) K9?Chamelion? Lol...Romana II, Captain Jack Harness, Zoe 14) Tie between Logopolis and The Cavves of Androzani 15) The Twin Dilemma, the newly regenerated Sixth Doctor strangling the life out of poor Peri...cue backlash for the entire Sixth Doctors' series and the countdown to Doctor Who getting axed a few years later. 16) Tooth and Claw (!!!I AM NOT AMUSED!!! LOL!!!!) 17) The Happiness Patrol 18) Sylvester McCoy 19) "Hi my name is the Doctor, RUUUNNN!!!! 20) All the Doctor Who villains and Nemesis joining forces and the Doctors joining forces and each past companion has a cameo role and they get killed off one by one by the villains.
(and cut and pasted into other COC site)
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 7, 2012 11:43:19 GMT -6
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Post by jtellio on Jun 8, 2012 11:09:17 GMT -6
Top 20-30 Dr Who stories: Planet of the Daleks - epic 6 parter Time Warrior - domestic video bestseller, great monsters. Frontier in Space - epic 6 parter, Draconians Pertwee's favourite. The Sea Devils - archetypal Pertwee story, Navy helped team. The Deadly Assassin - fan classic, based on Manchurian Candidate. 'Drowning' cliffhanger for episode three censored, then restored. Mind of Evil - Dudley Simpson produced a good musical score City of Death - based on Bulldog Drummond, location filming Paris The Three Doctors - Wizard of Oz concept Tomb of the Cybermen - Troughton classic b & w The Leisure Hive - Who revamped for the 80's, using Quantel effects, new theme arrangement
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 9, 2012 8:20:56 GMT -6
Top 20-30 Dr Who stories: Planet of the Daleks - epic 6 parter Time Warrior - domestic video bestseller, great monsters. Frontier in Space - epic t parter, Draconians Pertwee's favourite. The Sea Devils - archetypal Pertwee story, Navy helped team. The Deadly Assassin - fan classic, based on Manchurian Candidate. Mind of Evil - Dudley Simpson produced a good musical score City of Death - based on Bulldog Drummond, location filming Paris The Three Doctors - Wizard of Oz concept Tomb of the Cybermen - Troughton classic b & w The Leisure Hive - Who revamped for the 80's, using Quantel effects, new theme arrangement Planet of the Daleks isn't bad, but not one of my favorites.
Time Warrior is cool. Been a long time since I've seen it, actually.
It was a toss-up between the 20th best Who story - Frontier in Space versus Planet of Evil. The latter just barely won. Frontier is definitely going in the top 21 - 30. I never understood why that story had such lousy closure. Maybe you can help me with that... isn't it supposed to lead into another story that has nothing to do with Ogrons, Draconians, the Daleks, etc.?
The Sea Devils was cool, but by this time I was tired of all the earth-based stories. Plus, I can't remember what was at stake - can you summarize the plot?
Mind of Evil is a good story.
The Three Doctors is good, but not as good as The Five Doctors.
Tomb of the Cybermen is also a good story.
I like The Leisure Hive. That just might make the 21 - 30 cut.
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Post by jtellio on Jun 9, 2012 14:44:05 GMT -6
As you said, Frontier in Space and Planet of the Daleks were actually two linked six parters, that ran straight into each other; a copy of Dalek Master Plan 12-parter concept from the 60's. Therefore, the story ends weren't tied up, it was a space opera. Roger Delgado's last scene was a bad cutaway shot of a gun being held, a disappointing end to a career which was curtailed with his death shortly after. 'The Sea Devils' was similar in plot to 'The Silurians', their marine-like cousins, but with the addition of the Master. They emerged from a prolonged hibernation after being disturbed, aided by the Master, claiming to be the rightful original rulers of Earth. Any hopes of sharing the Earth through the Doctor's negotiations were foiled by the war-mongering Earth politicians, and the Sea Devil base was blown up by the Navy. It was very conventional, with UNIT doing their turn. Archetypal Jon Pertwee story.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 12, 2012 11:17:34 GMT -6
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 12, 2012 18:49:58 GMT -6
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Post by jtellio on Jun 13, 2012 5:53:08 GMT -6
Re - Venger's 21-32 choice of Who: Really excellent choices of Who, examples of the show at its best. The Daleks, as the show that made the whole series famous is essential, of course, and one I overlooked. Keeper of Traken and State of Decay are all respected stories from John Nathan Turner's time as producer. Pity the show seemed to lose steam with Davison and the ill fated week day time placing. Robots and Pyramids are always in the top five choices in polls. Peladon pairing - nice, perhaps a tad stodgy for new/young fans. Frontier was occasionally criticised for too much padding. Invasion of Time used a 'dogleg' with its six parter and the diversion into the Tardis.
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Post by jtellio on Jun 17, 2012 4:09:15 GMT -6
I agree about the Davison era. I was watching 'Four to Doomsday' again on internet flicks, only the other day and it was actually a lot better then I thought. I must admit, I remember them, but haven't watched any bar Caves of A since that time!
Something prejudiced me about the 80's series. Top of the list was that disco synthesiser theme and incidental music, which I abhorred with a vengeance! They booted poor old Dudley Simpson out!
To me, the music was a small but vital ingredient which could increase the horror feeling of the show, depending on its calibre. The newer composers tended to solely use electronic music, a style that Simpson experimented with and abandoned in the early 70's stories before adding classical instruments and scoring. They seemed to have no idea where to place musical 'stings', or periods of silence, which Dudley did so brilliantly.
A very good defence of the stories which I criticised, ones which used more subtle allegory. The 80's design Cybermen were nice, but were somehow less chilling than the 70's tear drop style of blank Cyber-mask.
As you said, on the whole, Davison's era was less gritty and dark. For the generation brought up on the gothic horror style of early Tom Baker, and the rip-offs of classic horror stories, the new show seemed sadly watered down.
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Post by jtellio on Apr 5, 2013 6:00:34 GMT -6
The Jon Pertwee 1971 classic serial, 'Mind of Evil' is finally being released in full colour, for the first time since its original transmission, this June. Unlike stories like 'The Daemons', no off-air domestic colour video copy of the adventure survived, to combine the colour signal to the surviving black and white film print. However, technicians realised that the chroma dots latent within the black and white film transcription still held the original colour information, and these could be unscrambled and recovered. Episodes 2-6 use colour recovery, but as the colour sub carrier was removed when originally transcribing episode one, colour had to be reconstructed by estimation. This DVD release will complete the Pertwee library, and said to be good.
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Post by jtellio on Sept 26, 2013 3:57:20 GMT -6
The final DVD of the classic Tom Baker era, 1975's Terror of the Zygons is to be released at the end of this month, and in the US. The first episode boasts an extra 2 minute scene that was scrapped for lighting mismatch, but has since been found. Colour restoration was used on this black and white footage, which is of the Dr's initial Tardis landing, with Harry and Sarah, in Loch Ness. I'm debating as to whether it's worth buying. The Skarasen/Loch Ness monster puppet has always been criticised for lack of believability. A very straight UNIT story, which signalled their phasing out.
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Post by jtellio on Oct 30, 2013 1:54:13 GMT -6
Nine black and white Dr Who episodes from Patrick Troughton's era have been rediscovered in Nigeria recently. The stories are 1968's classic 'Web of Fear', (five of the six episodes recovered) and all of 'The Enemy of the World' serial from the same year. This is a very exciting find, as the era is poorly represented due to the policy of mass junking the tapes in the early 1970's. The remastered episodes are due to appear on DVD very soon.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 4, 2013 13:51:50 GMT -6
Nine black and white Dr Who episodes from Patrick Troughton's era have been rediscovered in Nigeria recently. The stories are 1968's classic 'Web of Fear', (five of the six episodes recovered) and all of 'The Enemy of the World' serial from the same year. This is a very exciting find, as the era is poorly represented due to the policy of mass junking the tapes in the early 1970's. The remastered episodes are due to appear on DVD very soon. I heard about missing Who episodes found somewhere. I was pretty sure they were from the Troughton era, as those have the most holes. Great news!
What were they doing in Nigeria? Are we sure this isn't some kind of scam? Did Great Britain have to give a Nigerian Prince their checking account #?
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Post by jtellio on Nov 5, 2013 2:15:08 GMT -6
Yes! The BBC used to produce a 16mm black and white film copy or transcription of every Dr Who episode up to and including Jon Pertwee (Planet of Spiders). They did this by basically pointing a black and white film camera on to the picture, thus rendering a film copy. The reason being, they would sell the progamme to poorer countries like Nigeria who only had access to older cheaper film technology, not expensive video tape. Then, in the 70's the original mastertapes of the programmes were junked or erased as videotape was so expensive, it was reused. The archivists had no idea of the popularity of the programme. So many of the stories were lost forever. This is why only black and white film copies of stories like The Daemons, Mind of Evil, ep 1 Invasion of Dinosaurs existed for years. Nigeria must have held on to the film reels that they bought from BBC in the 1960's, and were found by a BBC archivist.
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Post by jtellio on Jan 23, 2014 2:32:12 GMT -6
To Venger: Since you said that you liked the 'Peladon' tales (Curse of..1972 and Monster of ..1974) I've rewatched them; They are very good, unique to the Pertwee era, and the writers succeeded in creating a futuristic tale yet with historical trappings. I am beginning to appreciate them.
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Post by jtellio on Oct 5, 2016 2:14:36 GMT -6
Dr Who's 'Image of the Fendahl' (1977) was a particular adventure quoted by Venger Satanis as being of a left-hand path type, similar to H.P.Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythology. This was a very good story, written by Chris Boucher, but one that has often baffled casual viewers. The writer deliberately put the pieces into place to enable understanding of the story, without outrightly giving the plot away. The story is available as a novelisation, by Terrance Dicks, or as a DVD. The explanation is only touched on in episode 4, when the Doctor talks to Colby; The skull was actually an artifact of the alien Fendahl, whose own planet was destroyed 12 million years ago. The skull got itself buried on Earth, in Kenya. It slowly dissipated a low biological transmutation field, which altered any life-form that came within it. We can surmise therefore, that it was the developing Human species which had been shaped in the 'Image of the Fendahl'; hence the mysterious skull appeared to be 12 million years old and human. The human species had been utilised as a Host life-form, enabling the eventual recreation of the Fendahl in 1977. The doomed scientist Thea Ransome is converted into the Fendahl core - a glowing humanoid High Priestess - and the coven members into the twelve snake-like Fendahleen. The Doctor saves the day by throwing the indestructible Fendahl skull into a supernova.
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