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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 23, 2010 12:12:01 GMT -6
Discuss!
By His loathsome tentacles,
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 23, 2010 13:15:00 GMT -6
pretty good. lm interested in the difference of the christian on his way up the pyramid vs the cultist on his way up. How similar & how different?
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 23, 2010 13:42:35 GMT -6
pretty good. lm interested in the difference of the christian on his way up the pyramid vs the cultist on his way up. How similar & how different? Awake!
The CoC endeavors to be in the middle between rational and intuitive, pragmatic and idealistic, primal and celestial, selfish and altruistic, light and dark. But always walking the Left Hand Path.
A Christian or Satanist on his way up will see more and more similarities between the two religions. Hopefully realizing the third side, finding the balance, unconcerned with the mechanical trappings of either dichotomy. Between the two and above... that is where you'll find the Cthulhu Cult.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 16:01:30 GMT -6
Great video ;
Isn't the CoC nearer to Satanism than to christianity ? Or maybe the original and esoteric christianity was very different from what we see now. I'm reading again Cthulhu Cult and I hardly imagine a christian, even esoteric, considering similarities between his religion and ours.
And now, OK I see what you mean when you say the CoC has reached an superior octave, and I agree, something is definitively different, more clear, and it look like a beginning.
Provocative video for modern satanists, ha ha ha if some of them are sincere this could open their eyes.
Now is the moment of Awakening !
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Post by Kyuubi on Nov 23, 2010 19:32:29 GMT -6
What is the point of calling The Cult a religion? Other than the obvious perks of uniting people together. The cult is
very different from any other religion. We are about individualism and constructive thought. Is this the secret to our success? Individualism allows us to branch out and unite chaotes, satanists, and other pagan branches.
So to sum this up my question is. Why is the Cult considered a religion?
When the stars are right!
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 23, 2010 22:29:46 GMT -6
I agree with your assessment of the mechanical side of modern Satanism and Christianity, and I like the direction you are taking this line of thinking. My question though is...
How do you see the Cult of Cthulhu so high in the pyramid? While I agree that this is where we should all be aiming for on a daily basis, I don't know that the CoC as a whole or as individual members belong so high up. What are we doing as an organization that shows proof of manifesting such a high level of consciousness?
When the stars are right!
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Post by K'zin Z'tari on Nov 24, 2010 8:56:48 GMT -6
Great video Master Satanis,I put the pyramid in my book which I have now dedicated to Kort´thalis and I intend to put on my wall later.
I really like your videos Master,they are much help,I am sure I am speaking for all of us,but watching them reminds me of my school days.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 24, 2010 21:45:37 GMT -6
Because the Cult of Cthulhu is a spiritual path. We use Gods, as well as, other religious trappings in our paradigm. We endeavor to connect with Higher Forces. Because the Cult is a religion. That's why.I agree with your assessment of the mechanical side of modern Satanism and Christianity, and I like the direction you are taking this line of thinking. My question though is... How do you see the Cult of Cthulhu so high in the pyramid? While I agree that this is where we should all be aiming for on a daily basis, I don't know that the CoC as a whole or as individual members belong so high up. What are we doing as an organization that shows proof of manifesting such a high level of consciousness? When the stars are right! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
What are we doing as individuals, specifically? What are we doing as an organization, specifically? Those are great questions. I also believe we need to start asking ourselves such questions... in hopes of receiving satisfying answers. What do we hope to achieve? Put our paradigm into your own words, that's better than parroting the things I keep yammering about. Maybe we aren't ready to unveil our personal mark upon the world? In any case, let's discuss it.
Just stumbled upon this video by one of our former members. While he gets a few of the things I was saying in my video wrong, and seems to be cloaked in self-defeating negativity, he too asks us to either put up or shut up. Perhaps this is another wake up call or shock that we need to further Awaken... and then go out into the world to do something with those higher states of consciousness and conscience? Are we working hard enough? Are we seeing results? How can we use those results to manifest substantial change in reality?
Thoughts? Let's hear them!
Remember yourself, for the emerald kingdom is at hand.
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 25, 2010 14:48:25 GMT -6
Crazy hearing Ego rambling on. More free advertising for us. Fuck em.
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Post by timishardcore on Nov 25, 2010 22:42:19 GMT -6
Since you asked me to post my thoughts on your forum I will  You wanted to know why I would stop short of being GOD, I would say because I am not GOD. I believe that if your belief is tied up in what goes on after death than it is more FEAR than belief. I would ask this Would you still believe IF there was no "after life"?. I believe we are "gods" in the Spiritual/eternal sense and that we are eternal beings in the HERE & NOW but not "GODS" We have universal authority given us but most do not understand. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2010 3:55:28 GMT -6
Well, that's certainly what we are aiming for, isn't it. That is where our fist, heart, and brain are. This thing of ours, the Cthulhu Cult, it's a lifetime gig. One can't expect to suddenly get it and manifest their will or work miracles in only a few months. Look at working out! Three months will yield only the beginning of small results, and that's if you're doing everything right. I feel as though The Great Work, our use of the Fourth Way in a Left Hand Path context, has helped me personally. It's given me better direction, focus, structure, well-being, attitude, creativity, connection, and understanding.
What are we doing as individuals, specifically? What are we doing as an organization, specifically? Those are great questions. I also believe we need to start asking ourselves such questions... in hopes of receiving satisfying answers. What do we hope to achieve? Put our paradigm into your own words, that's better than parroting the things I keep yammering about. Maybe we aren't ready to unveil our personal mark upon the world? In any case, let's discuss it.
Just stumbled upon this video by one of our former members. While he gets a few of the things I was saying in my video wrong, and seems to be cloaked in self-defeating negativity, he too asks us to either put up or shut up. Perhaps this is another wake up call or shock that we need to further Awaken... and then go out into the world to do something with those higher states of consciousness and conscience? Are we working hard enough? Are we seeing results? How can we use those results to manifest substantial change in reality?
Thoughts? Let's hear them!
Remember yourself, for the emerald kingdom is at hand.
Venger As'Nas Satanis
High Priest
Cult of Cthulhu
enormous changes in MY reality ! I stopped posting about it in "personal changes" but I continue to work and change is continuing. Indeed it is "as by magic" ;D that my material life is improving now ! Before knowing the CoC : deeply asleep, boring life, on verge of poverty, my wife unrespectful & unpleasant (although beautiful, sex once a week), many little health problems, only worse thing to come in sight. 6 months after : much more aware, good health, interesting life, my wife submitted (and still beautiful, sex every day), and now money is coming. I'm Working on me ! It's up to everybody : don't believe blindly, do the Work, make the test, if you are serious you will find evidences. Perhaps we should NOT show any evidence to the world ? Why show anything to those who do not deserve it ? I'm surprised by the attitude of Egodiabolus, did he learn nothing these last years, or do he think that for example I could achieve the same with any satanism ? I don't. Now is the moment of Awakening. |
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 26, 2010 13:41:44 GMT -6
Since you asked me to post my thoughts on your forum I will You wanted to know why I would stop short of being GOD, I would say because I am not GOD. I believe that if your belief is tied up in what goes on after death than it is more FEAR than belief. I would ask this Would you still believe IF there was no "after life"?. I believe we are "gods" in the Spiritual/eternal sense and that we are eternal beings in the HERE & NOW but not "GODS" We have universal authority given us but most do not understand.
www.youtube.com/timishardcore
Now, onto your questions and statements...
Unlike Modern Satanism, which is becoming less and less worthwhile in my eyes, I do not believe that we are Gods now. I agree with you, Tim, that Higher Forces are above and separate from us. However, I eventually seek to raise those in the Cthulhu Cult up to the level of the Great Old Ones. We can get close to this state while still alive. This is what is known as the Kingdom of Heaven... or as we call it, the Emerald Kingdom, also known as the Void or Universe B.
Would I believe if there was no afterlife? Good question. I would, yes. Even if absolutely nothing occurred after my flesh died and everything that was me suddenly ended for all time, I would still seek to know states of super-consciousness. On the other hand, I do believe in an afterlife. Those who have will, who are separate from their machine, who achieve higher states of conscience and consciousness shall escape the fate of ordinary humans.
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Post by Inha Delgado Ot Anth Paz jeem on Nov 28, 2010 20:00:32 GMT -6
Wow this is all mind boggling
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Post by emery89 on Nov 28, 2010 21:23:05 GMT -6
Did anyone religious troll you?
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Post by timishardcore on Nov 28, 2010 23:27:46 GMT -6
The thx goes to you Venger for allowing me to post on the CoC forum, to some /most I represent the enemy and should not be allowed on such forums,so again much respect and thx.
Remember that I am a "Monotheist" for I do believe in many "gods" or "Spirits" but in only one true GOD of which we are able to connect with. Although I believe myself to be unorthodox in thinking I could see why some would call me "Typical" LOL!
I do believe we can achieve divine consciousness(to a point) here on Earth if only we can discard our "rational" thought with regards to Supernatural/Spiritual ideals and "Let go and let fly" or as I like to say Get out of the boat.
I do agree that I too would BELIEVE regardless of what lies ahead for My path(Christianity) has brought great insight for me. I am a strong believer in this one true statement "For the Kingdom of GOD is within you"
Thx again
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Post by darklust on Nov 29, 2010 15:13:47 GMT -6
The thx goes to you Venger for allowing me to post on the CoC forum, to some /most I represent the enemy and should not be allowed on such forums,so again much respect and thx. Remember that I am a "Monotheist" for I do believe in many "gods" or "Spirits" but in only one true GOD of which we are able to connect with. Although I believe myself to be unorthodox in thinking I could see why some would call me "Typical" LOL! I do believe we can achieve divine consciousness(to a point) here on Earth if only we can discard our "rational" thought with regards to Supernatural/Spiritual ideals and "Let go and let fly" or as I like to say Get out of the boat. I do agree that I too would BELIEVE regardless of what lies ahead for My path(Christianity) has brought great insight for me. I am a strong believer in this one true statement "For the Kingdom of GOD is within you" Thx again Tim Hello brother, your views somewhat parallel those of the Cult as well. Regardless of your monotheistic claim, you would recognize the existence of other higher powers, which we would describe as Lesser Gods, and existing within the illusion. You are hardly an enemy, as we are not a Cult who covets the Left or Right Hand Path, we are the bridge. One interesting thought I would like to point out however is the quote "For the kingdom of God is within you," possesses a connotation of Left Hand ideology with the deification of the one's self. Why would this be in the Christian bible? Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn! |
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 29, 2010 16:15:11 GMT -6
I'm feeling the need to pick this apart... Don't take it personally, I only want to set the record straight as to the direction I'm currently heading.
Have you forgotten the Formless Black Essence? According to my interpretation of our emerald paradigm, the Great Old Ones, and in fact all Dark Gods / LHP deities, are only facets or representations of the Formless Black Essence. This is in alignment with monotheistic beliefs.
I believe Tim's understanding of christianity puts him under the influence of Higher Forces which we desire to be in alignment with also. The lesser gods of the earth could be viewed as the demiurge or whatever powers attempt to keep mankind down.
Correction, we are the bridge between light and dark, yes and no, positive and negative, good and evil, Christianity and Satanism. However, we are firmly Left Hand Path as we are not in favor of humanity enslaved.
By now, all this should be making more sense to you. An Esoteric/Gnostic understanding of Christianity, especially The Gospels, point to definite LHP leanings. It is only Contemporary Christianity which is a corrupt, degraded religion firmly rooted in the right hand path.
I've actually constructed a new pyramid model which is more detailed and colorful. I will be making a video with this new diagram in a day or two.
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Post by darklust on Nov 29, 2010 21:34:30 GMT -6
Master Satanis: Very insightful reply, I'm in the process of reading the bibles and understanding the Cult mission more completely, I apologize for my ignorance.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 30, 2010 11:09:06 GMT -6
 New pyramid model which I'm calling Octave One. This has more detail than what I presented in my initial video (see original post). Going to do a new video tonight thoroughly explaining it.
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Nov 30, 2010 14:21:35 GMT -6
New pyramid model which I'm calling Octave One. This has more detail than what I presented in my initial video (see original post). Going to do a new video tonight thoroughly explaining it.
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 30, 2010 15:01:04 GMT -6
Looks pretty sweet!
Will have some questions for latter.
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 1, 2010 1:20:35 GMT -6
Check it out.
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Post by lokidreaming on Dec 1, 2010 1:45:54 GMT -6
No I don't think Satanism is dependant on Christismity.
Satanism is more dependant on Human nature itself and the social enviroment and variables of the world.Satanism has exisisted way before the Church and Christanity and will continue to survive after the fall of Christanity. I thank LAVey and respect him for what he has done, but he only represent one angel of SATANSIM AND LHP.
"To me, a good deal of Satanism and Satanic thought is philosophical - not necessarily "spiritual" in nature."
It basically summed up what I had in my head neatly.
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During the start of my occult path, I had it drilled into my system reality check reality check. I didn't really understand fully to this year what it meant.
Person A has an enightenment and they keep on feeding off on the fumes of that enlightenment and fed on it more and they think its the truth, cos they are drunk on the fumes, then that Person A writes something like the bible or the koran. They didn't take a step back and waited until they touched the ground and then do a reality check.
Also at the time of certain writings, they interpreted their enlightenments as divine and or from god cos that was their way of internalising what the cosmos was showing them, cos as every occultists know, every occultists internalise the same break through in different ways. Some of them mistakenly interpreted that as there was a god and that the really bad boggie men exsisted.
Most sciences in those days hadn't exsisted or were in the infant stages, so its easy to understand why they misinterpreted their enlightenments as either good or bad.
Whats the morale?
Still today people misinterpreting thier new found break throughs.
People in the future will still misinterpret their new found break throughs.
Its up to the individual to dig deep down and figure it for theselves and reality checking is a must.
It always has and always be.
The cosmos will reward those for perserve.
Another note, some occultists these days take the occult world for granted. Due to my research into occult history, I am thankful for those who have come before me in the occult world.See
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Post by lokidreaming on Dec 1, 2010 1:47:08 GMT -6
Satanism does not need to depend on Christanity to feed on to grow, its just the easiest target, like birds targeting humans for free food instead of finding it themselfs. From my understanding of theistic satanism its b...asically siding with the dark side, instead of light.
"If humans were to go away, quite a few birds will starve to death due to their dependency on the humans and their will be brid fights, and some will go back to their native naturally hunting for foods way, those that go back to their natural ways, are the ones who will survivie."
This is anotherof my analogies for the state of the occult world and the future of the occult. I really hope for the whole world to be fill with satanists and occultists and or a end of the world scenario due to I know the best and most grounded and humble of us will survive!!!See More
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Post by lhpinitiate on Dec 2, 2010 1:21:30 GMT -6
This is my first posting, responding to Venger's video, as he requested of me. I joined here as of yesterday, and must say the "cogs" in my brain have been been sparked into further motion while skimming through the postings on this subject. I find it interesting that Buddhism is in between the "Most Forth Way Schools"
The first question that comes to me when observing the diagram, is: is there another octave beyond the one that makes up the diagram? I see "Octave One" and instantly "...two, three, four" (and so on) comes to mind. It doesn't necessarily have to come after one either; the ways of the universe are many and varied, as well as beyond understanding at times, and could be before Octave One. That sounds nonsensical, and possibly I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm just musing, all right?? LOL
I am still scanning over the diagram. It seems like a lot of information to chew on and that stimulates thought. I am wondering, how is the RHP further down towards base desires and the Earth, and the LHP going up towards the "goal"? Somehow, it's almost like logically, it should be reversed.
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Post by lokidreaming on Dec 2, 2010 1:59:47 GMT -6
Personally I see all this debates about where satanism comes from mostly is a moot point. I agree with you Tom that it can be traced back to the sumerians, however I'm sure the sumerians borrowed after older civilations which are lost to th...e passages of time.
We have lost a lot of imprtant books, manuscripts etc due to all the book burning during the renaissance and the destruction of the library at Alexander and all other countless libraries and stuff destroyed after countless civilisations were conquered etc etc etc...
As the saying goes todays gods is tomorrows demons
And yesterdays gods were todays demon.
Why does everyone take everthing they read so literallly?
(another copy and paste from my Facebook stuff)
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 2, 2010 13:12:45 GMT -6
This is my first posting, responding to Venger's video, as he requested of me. I joined here as of yesterday, and must say the "cogs" in my brain have been been sparked into further motion while skimming through the postings on this subject. I find it interesting that Buddhism is in between the "Most Forth Way Schools" The first question that comes to me when observing the diagram, is: is there another octave beyond the one that makes up the diagram? I see "Octave One" and instantly "...two, three, four" (and so on) comes to mind. It doesn't necessarily have to come after one either; the ways of the universe are many and varied, as well as beyond understanding at times, and could be before Octave One. That sounds nonsensical, and possibly I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm just musing, all right?? LOL I am still scanning over the diagram. It seems like a lot of information to chew on and that stimulates thought. I am wondering, how is the RHP further down towards base desires and the Earth, and the LHP going up towards the "goal"? Somehow, it's almost like logically, it should be reversed.
This is the first Octave we should be thinking about as an organization (religion, school, lodge, etc.) How do we fit into the scheme of things? What makes us different than the rest and, hopefully, superior? That's why I call this Octave One.
The right hand path will always be more mechanical, more asleep, more concerned with satisfying its own selfish base desires. The bottom of the pyramid relies entirely upon Primitive Instincts, as opposed to Higher Forces. That is why Modern Satanism and Contemporary Christianity are both enmeshed in the rhp. Higher Forces, being influenced by and using them, allows us to escape the natural slavery which keeps us where we are: imprisoned!
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Post by Ikaros on Dec 25, 2010 19:49:01 GMT -6
Correction, we are the bridge between light and dark, yes and no, positive and negative, good and evil, Christianity and Satanism. However, we are firmly Left Hand Path as we are not in favor of humanity enslaved. Hail! Lord Satanis! I believe this is your most eloquent definition of the nature of The Cult. I am new to the teachings, and have been spending a lot of time reading through other posts to get a clear idea of what The Cult is really about. I feel that in these two sentences, you make the nature of The Cult very clear. Thank you for sharing! How long, Dread Lord, unholy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell upon the earth? Ikaros |
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Post by sxt701 on Dec 26, 2010 1:01:40 GMT -6
as a child I took to heart any and all life-lessons anyone bothered
to teach me. including the hidden meanings in bible stories.
they existed to teach the same thing childrens cartoons try to teach today. but modern christians have lost the capacity, due to Right Hand path thinking, to tell biblical LEGEND from bible story MYTH. and so, to defend everything, everything becomes bland.
my prefrence is to believe that the universe, matter, time, space, EXISTANCE is god. the bible is about what he made of himself.
and think of this: if we had been created perfect, we'd be more vain with no sense of modesty. why have it? everyones perfect.
but because we are flawed we can endlessly improve ourselves.
he planned this crap from the start!
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Dec 27, 2010 13:34:25 GMT -6
While I fail to see the similarities of both paths, I'm still fairly close to the base of the ziggurat. But I have noticed that my path becomes progressively less mechanical the higher up I get...
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