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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 3, 2010 18:41:50 GMT -6
www.cultofcthulhu.net/2010/08/unification-the-will-of-power/I don't post directly onto the main website lightly. When I want to talk about a subject or direct the Cult's focus to some specific issue, then I do it here or on the blog. However, this essay... nay revelation, is important enough to be set down next to our bibles and rituals.
Feel free to post your honest opinion as I don't expect everyone to embrace what has been writ. Dreams of the Old Ones carry Their will forth.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by 10kdays on Aug 3, 2010 21:57:56 GMT -6
I must say, High Priest Satanis, this coincides rather nicely with recent events.
I do believe as well that unification is the only logical option for the Left Hand Path. Hell, I would go so far as to say that the Human species itself needs this.
When the stars are right!
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Aug 3, 2010 23:05:47 GMT -6
Interesting... I think I'll share my personal journal entry from last night.
"On the CoC front: Lord Satanis mentioned in the forum the desire to unite different LHP groups. He is admirable in his intent, but I question how he would go about accomplishing it. The different LHP people and groups that I am aware of wouldn't necessarily be interested in this type of unification. I don't know of many other LHP group leaders that would be willing to succumb to ideas and philosophies of another high priest. They are too wrapped up in their ego-driven, day-to-day, "look what I can do" stance to see how unification would be beneficial to all parties. Most people (not just LHP) are short-sighted in that they think this means it's all about them. They can't see past this idea to realize there are many things that could be accomplished for self by giving to the greater good of the group at hand. But asking another LHP high priest to come "under our umbrella?" I see this as extremely challenging and nearly impossible. However, probably well worth the effort.
I also think that focusing on the LHP is too narrow-minded; a good place to start maybe. There are so many RHP people that could see beyond the LHP philosophy and recognize the awakening happening within the group's members. The dynamic of the diversity could drive us further faster if we had all philosophies represented intelligently and openly. Having opposite ends of the spectrum represented means a stronger, more aligned center in for a larger awakening movement. It's just a matter of attracting the right people.
The group has been discussing infiltrating different LHP groups and forums to bring the CoC name to the forefront of other's minds. I will do the same with different RHP associates and forums. There are plenty of people posting in the RHP forums that don't necessarily agree with what is being discussed there. These individuals could possess a potential for greatness in the LHP community. If nothing else, they would probably at least be willing to meet in the center of the philosophies while studying the Fourth Way.
There is much advantage to unification. The key is to not lose your own members along the way. Current members must be educated with a sense of enthusiasm on the aspects of the group. You must get them to adopt the CoC philosophies, goals, and initiatives as a way of life before bringing in more people and groups to dilute the process. You would also need to have a structure of some sort that has been tested and verified. These are all fundamental ideas to making sure the organization is built on brick rather than sand. I think Lord Satanis has recently shown that he’s on the right track with this."
When the stars are right!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Aug 4, 2010 1:50:12 GMT -6
I must say, High Priest Satanis, this coincides rather nicely with recent events. I do believe as well that unification is the only logical option for the Left Hand Path. Hell, I would go so far as to say that the Human species itself needs this. When the stars are right! Bravo! Unification truly IS the only option! I think that is a major downfall with the Human Race as a whole. Seems as though each person is in their own little world which they see as "the only viewpoint". From what I personally have seen myself, each person (LHP as well as RHP) seems to think that their little bubble of personal space is the only one that exists and everyone else is in the wrong. That has GOT to change or mankind will fail to survive. Awake!
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Post by egodiabolus on Aug 4, 2010 11:59:41 GMT -6
When I think about the idea of working as an organization with other organizations toward a unified goal, I keep in mind the Work. If the Cult of Cthulhu is treated as an individual being, then one of the basic concepts of the Work is that in order to change our paradigm we must work with others. In order to evolve, we must work as a coordinated group with like minded "individuals" (organizations).
In staying with that analogy, before we as an organization seek other organizations to coordinate with (I think that "unify" is too strong of word), we have to establish a better understanding of who we are, as objectively as possible. As an organization, we are progressing in this effort, but I believe we need a more concrete internal structure, a clear-cut program, and a cadre of dedicated individuals who have successfully implemented that program both within the organization and in the greater society. That will be the Cult of Cthulhu's "clear sense of self".
When we are ready to reach out to other organizations and coordinate our efforts, it is the Cult of Cthulhu who should set the table. In knowing who we are, we will be drawn to like-minded organizations who's aims are in line with our own and who respect our individuality. As we are, I think our organizations "sense of self" is not yet developed enough to know what our aims are in a real sense. This leaves us open to influences from other organizations who's agenda may include the absorption or obliteration of organizations who's memes are not strong enough or do not coincide fully with their current. We face organizations that will hold out to us an open hand just to see if they can reverse our meme upon itself and collect the worthwhile pieces when we implode. Only a strong organizational sense of self can sufficiently resist this and identify those other organizations who do match us in aim and spirit.
In simpler terms, until we are fully organized as a tribe, seeing to our own needs, and generating abundance, we have nothing to trade with the tribe across the river, and may be inviting an attack. Let us see to our own membership and own organization before we look to investing time and energy in joint ventures with others.
When the time comes that coordinating with other organizations serves our interests with a manageable risk, then I suggest the leaders and the ambassadors of said organizations interact in a forum distinct from those of the member organizations. Let those leaders agree on their coordinated agendas, and then return to their respective organizations and push their part of the agenda. It is considered poor etiquette between nations for an ambassador to discuss foreign policy or criticize their host nation in a public forum. Having every Tom, Dick, and Anton in here telling us what is cool about what is going on over there might be well meaning, but might also be meant to water down our own efforts and encourage dissent.
Yeah. I am the Paranoid Priest of R'lyeh.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2010 13:16:33 GMT -6
How many strong, enduring, structured organizations of the LHP exist ?
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Post by egodiabolus on Aug 4, 2010 14:30:25 GMT -6
How many strong, enduring, structured organizations of the LHP exist ? _____________________ When the stars are right. How do you define "strength" in an organization? There are famous organizations, but is the promotion of the name of an organization's strength? There are organizations which claim enormous membership, but is the strength of an organization purely in its numbers? There are organizations that have been around for decades or claim to have been carried forward by multiple generations, but is longevity on its own a measure of strength? There are organizations who exist purely to harass and inhibit others, like fleas on a dog... is being a petty nuisance a form of strength?
In my opinion, an organization is strong when it produces individual members who apply what they have gained through the organization to better themselves and influence the world around them. A good school produces leaders in whatever industry their students may follow. I believe that our measure of strength should be no different; that we produce individuals who's own works and successes are a testament to our program.
By that standard, I would be hard-pressed to name such an organization in the LHP, but I believe the Cult of Cthulhu is poised to be the first.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 4, 2010 16:00:38 GMT -6
Nearly impossible now, but one night in the not too distant future I believe Unification to be an inevitable aspect of the Left Hand Path's survival.
Coherency will probably have to come before Unification. It's a start...
Not necessarily. There are degrees, various shades of grey between Unification and the adversarial individualism which LaVey espoused. Surely, the CoC and ONA are closer to Modern Satanism than christianity.
Eventually, I believe that those adversarial individualists will either come around or be swept away. Not by us, but the coming tide of right wing and right hand fury. The end of 2012 will see numerous changes and not all of them will be to our liking.
Do people honestly think the world is becoming more "satanic" all on it's own? Whatever progress we now enjoy has come from liberal, democratic, and socialist - progressive - elements within our political society. Beneficial change does not come from painting the walls black, growing a goatee, and talking about the Satanic Bible on the internet (by the way, I'm guilty of all three).
The end goal will be to ditch everything, to get rid of all "isms". Right now, labels are extremely useful, but a hundred years from now I hope we will have outgrown them.
And yet, that mistake has colored the Left Hand Path to an extent where we must consider every aspect of the phrase.
I cannot think of a more suitable division, Apsara Kamalli. Even though the right hand path doesn't want to admit that they are pro-slavery, that's exactly what this separation is about. The LHP is for liberation and Godhood while the rhp is for submission and slavery to the universe / nature / earthly forces.
If you included both the right and Left Hand Path, then you'd have everybody. I wish that all humanity acted in a conscious way, but it does not. We must divide the wheat from the chaff. At this time, I can't think of a better word or phrase to define our commonality. If you or anyone else can, then please make the attempt.
Yes, I think so. At least such a plan seems feasible. However, even "satanic" is too specific, I fear. In my estimation, the LHP is the broadest of all our brushes.
I am not afraid of dissent. On the contrary, I welcome it. While I understand the desire to keep silent, I believe we should begin talking about these issues in the hope that discussion breeds action.
As it happens, I had you in mind, Sugarcubz, when writing on ambassadors. I see no reason why you can't become the ONA's ambassador to the Cult of Cthulhu while also remaining a member of the Infernal Mask Grotto. After all, a high-ranking diplomat needs to become familiar with a paradigm before that paradigm can be consciously influenced.
It would be unwise to disregard your council, Master Diabolus. I agree, we must be cautious, apprehensive, and mindful of all that we may gain, as well as, all that we may lose.
Conservatism and progressivism shall go tentacle in tentacle!
Certainly, quality and quality must be considered when gauging an organization's strength.
Say that the Cult of Cthulhu is the first (or will be soon)... how do we go about seeking recognition and amassing power? Keeping in mind the entire human population, the LHP community might constitute an entire arm. Meanwhile, our Cthulhu Cult is the size of a pinky. Even if our pinky is the strongest possible, are we not weak considering the whole body? What if this organization heavily influenced the whole LHP, could we not do far more as a somewhat diluted arm than a super concentrated pinky? These are the issues I struggle with.
Always remember that the individual is king. No matter what organization one belongs to, each practitioner must stand on his own two feet. Nevertheless, the LHP lacks representation, and that is the principal reason for uniting.
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by egodiabolus on Aug 4, 2010 16:43:46 GMT -6
Certainly, quality and quality must be considered when gauging an organization's strength.
Say that the Cult of Cthulhu is the first (or will be soon)... how do we go about seeking recognition and amassing power? Keeping in mind the entire human population, the LHP community might constitute an entire arm. Meanwhile, our Cthulhu Cult is the size of a pinky. Even if our pinky is the strongest possible, are we not weak considering the whole body? What if this organization heavily influenced the whole LHP, could we not do far more as a somewhat diluted arm than a super concentrated pinky? These are the issues I struggle with.
Always remember that the individual is king. No matter what organization one belongs to, each practitioner must stand on his own two feet. Nevertheless, the LHP lacks representation, and that is the principal reason for uniting.
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
We should not seek recognition. Recognition should come to us based on our efforts and successes, but it should not be sought.
We amass power by developing it from within our own ranks. We stay on message and continue to develop as individuals and as an organization. The greater the quality of each citizen of the Emerald Kingdom, the more powerful we will be as a whole.
Do our aims necessitate the manipulation of the population of the Earth, the Spiritual Community, or the LHP? Or, do we need only make a significant difference and be an impressive example?
Even if the position of the pinky is weak, it is still better to be as strong as possible in a weak position. Strength provides greater options. Through strength, you have the hope of manipulating the hand if the aim requires it. A strong pinky might set the standard for the other digits, making the whole hand stronger, which in turn might encourage a stronger arm, and onward to the body. The manipulation may not be direct, but the impact may be overwhelming.
Just like the Work, we influence what we can, starting inwardly, and through that inward influence begin to influence outwardly. The way the organization evolves is no different than the way of the individual.
In my humble opinion.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by A:.O:. on Aug 4, 2010 18:37:06 GMT -6
High Priest Satanis, could you elaborate on this line? Is it literal?
The whole idea of Unification is overwhelming to me when I think of what, when successful, it will encompass. More so the sheer logistics needed to make it happen is mind boggling.
Priest Diabolus, do you have a plan to make what you said a reality - for the Cult of Cthulhu to have a 'clear sense of self', or is this just an identification of what you see the Cults need to be?
I've yet to really delve into the teachings of The Fourth Way but what you are saying makes a lot of sense to me, and I'd like to hear more.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 4, 2010 22:52:52 GMT -6
I'd like to have an official letter (or email) from another ONA leader stating their knowledge and acceptance of your Ambassadorship to the Cult of Cthulhu.
If you mean that we shouldn't be waving a neon sign that reads, "we're the best of the best, trust us." then I heartily agree with you. I just want our efforts and successes to be noticed. Credit is given where credit is due, providing that certain people happen to look up at just the right time. One way or another, I will make the world take notice.
It's possible that unity cannot be achieved. In that case, individuals like you and I, Master Diabolus, will probably survive... even prosper, but let us consider for a moment the thousands of like-minded people who may very well be trampled under foot. No Left Hand Path congressman, no LHP senator, no LHP President of the United States or Prime Minster or King, no LHP lobbyist, no agency fighting for sexual deviancy or polygamy, no LHP options in public or private schools, no media coverage for LHP authors or artists, no favorable laws, no government mandated aesthetics, no protection from persecution... just more of the same; prison life.
Like you, I'm just writing my opinion. I could be wrong, hope I am. But I can't help seeing... dreaming that dark days are ahead of us. Something out of focus for the moment, becoming all too clear just before the clock strikes 2013.
Within the vision, I felt as though a predestined few were connected to the Keepers, that a lineage existed between Keeper and those practicing the Left Hand Path. Those who adhered to the sinister way, favoring mastery over slavery, will be rewarded with an apocalypse.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by carcosannoble on Aug 5, 2010 6:44:20 GMT -6
There has, in the recent past, been discussion amongst the Court of the Yellow King as to our relationship with the Cult of C'thulhu. Venger As'Nas Satanis, you have been a friend and the King's Court would not exist if it wasn't for the beacon that the CoC has become for my people. It is my understanding that your vision has validity, and it has never been my way to disregard prophecy. I have mentioned in the past that one of my tasks has been to add something beneficial to the evolution of the CoC, in whatever form that beneficence needed to manifest. In this function, the members of the Yellow Court have always been ambassadors of sorts, perhaps in some cases unwelcome. However, I will confer with my brothers to see what we will do concerning that matter.
Whatever is decided, we will continue to help strengthen the foundations of your Order in our own way, as we have done and will always do. It is simply our nature.
My one request in this is that when an ambassador is chosen to be your official liaison to the Court, that he not already be a follower of the King in Yellow, but should be well read on the subject matter, specifically Chambers' The King in Yellow and the applicable material by Ambrose Bierce. I will outline the specific responsibilities of the individual with you at your leisure.
It is through creation that the King in Yellow's influence grows and his hand is on the shoulder of every mortal. May Hastur be like an invigorating wind at our backs, aiding us in overcoming obstacles and enemies alike.
~Steward of the Court of the Yellow King
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 5, 2010 12:21:56 GMT -6
The Yellow King guy unintentionally brought up a great point: What or how exactly does the CoC define an "other" organization to be? This is after all the internet. What I mean to say is, let's say we have Tom Raspotnik's ((Grand Magister Blackwood)) Temples of Satan ((TsOS)). The TsOS has a dotcom website and many social networks. Tom boasts that he is the "Leader of Theistic Satanism," and that his organization is the fastest growing and most influential Satanic organization in the world. But when you obersve all of his social networks you notice that they are all completely inactive and that he is the only one active. The reality is that the TsOS is a one man show run by a goofy loud mouth with a lot of websites. And compared to something like the Temple of Set, Blackwood's TsOS is not even real ((in my eyes)). Is the TsOS a real enough "organization" where the CoC will recognize it and work with it? There are plenty of other examples such as the goofy International Council of Satanists: icos.wackwall.com/This ICOS has this idea that they want to unite all Satanists under one common banner. Except this "organization" is just a cyber wackwall account with 100 dead weight registered users and 7 active users. They have no real subsatnce or presence in the real world. If one day "Reverend Jody" were to officially send an Ambassador to work with the CoC, would they also be recognized as a "real legit" organization? Hypotheticall, or theoretically, let us say that 3 years in the future the CoC has amassed for itself 20 satelite organizations and LHP partners who each have sent Ambassadors to the CoC. Execept that all 20 groups are cybersatanistic "organizations." This causes a few problems to arise. The first problem iis that the CoC in essence would be the only "real" organization. By the word "real" here I just mean a group that has some sort of Real World presence and Real World functionality were Real Work and Real Results can be accomplished. The second problem that arises is that the other 20 "organizations" that seem real won't be contributing anything substantial to any cause or work or joint project... because of their nature. Which means that whatever work the CoC does get involved with, the other 20 not so real organizations is just in it for the ride and to get a free share of the aftermath. Third problem is that the CoC is associated with such goofy organizations. Just like in real life, we are each a reflection of who we hang out with, such that if the CoC hangs out with those such groups, it unfortunately hurts the image of the CoC. In Real World politics - on the level of Nation-State - something like America can't just establish relations with any group of people that claim to be States. The State must be Recognized as a real State before anything diplomatic can happen. Then also something like America picks its associates wisely. Does the CoC have some sort of standard or gauge or system of evaluating what is a "real" organization and what is "not so real." I understand that this is a touchy topic for many cybersatanic organizations who honestly believe themselves to be real according to their judgements. So I put that word in quotes, suggesting that the concept of what is real or not may be subjective to some people. If some guy named Dark Master Joe started a dotcom website with a Ning named Evil Joe's Antinomian Church of the Dark Gods and he collected 100 cybersatanists and Joe came over to the CoC and said: "Look here dudes, I'm a badass leader of a powerful organization, and I Recognize you guys as the greatest LHP organization in the solar system! So, Ima do you guys a favor and partner up with you guys, here's my Number 2 guy, make him an Ambassador and send me an Ambassador and we'll do business." What would the CoC say? I'm not trying to mock. Don't get me wrong. I'm just trying to get everybody to understand that some organizations out there are ethereal. Those are some great questions. I've done some thinking on the subject, but will be looking for suggestions.
Assuming that some form of organization exists, we will accept an Ambassador from a cooperative and/or competing group, at least on probationary terms. But that doesn't necessarily mean the Cult of Cthulhu will reciprocate. If an organization has been around for a sufficient amount of time, has a decent number of members, and can show us impressive results, then the CoC may choose to send an Envoy. An Envoy will gauge the compatibility and usefulness of a LHP group. If the CoC's Envoy deems a group worthy, we will send an Ambassador to either engage in diplomacy and possible partnership or assist with the wholesale absorption of that LHP organization.
Assuming that a group needs to be absorbed, this means Joe Evil's little internet cadre will have to assimilate into the CoC or be ignored. When a group cannot successfully stand on its own two feet, then it's days are numbered in any case. What choice would Joe Evil have but to become part of the growing, cohesive Left Hand Path community which the Cthulhu Cult embodies? If we can get some of the already well-established LHP organizations in on this, then they can do the same. Although, such LHP giants might have to adopt a policy just as inclusive as the Cult of Cthulhu endeavors to be.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by carcosannoble on Aug 5, 2010 14:04:16 GMT -6
I assume by these comments the general assumption here is that the Court is not a proper organization in it's own right. I can understand that, we are a small private group and very quiet about our scheming-what proof is there for you to guess otherwise? If it suits you, stay in your assumptions-ignore my optimistic attempt at a diplomatic handshake. The Court does not need recognition from the CoC, we are not some indolent state asking for the right to be recognized. Do as you wish, the consequences of our actions will surely be revealed in time.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 5, 2010 14:24:36 GMT -6
I assume by these comments the general assumption here is that the Court is not a proper organization in it's own right. I can understand that, we are a small private group and very quiet about our scheming-what proof is there for you to guess otherwise? If it suits you, stay in your assumptions-ignore my optimistic attempt at a diplomatic handshake. The Court does not need recognition from the CoC, we are not some indolent state asking for the right to be recognized. Do as you wish, the consequences of our actions will surely be revealed in time. As yet, I haven't mentioned one word about your group, brother. So please do not presume to know my thoughts before I speak them.
The CoC would have to do some kind of assessment before deciding on your organization's status. This whole process is brand new, and there is much to discuss before anything is set in stone.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by carcosannoble on Aug 5, 2010 15:17:19 GMT -6
I assume by these comments the general assumption here is that the Court is not a proper organization in it's own right. I can understand that, we are a small private group and very quiet about our scheming-what proof is there for you to guess otherwise? If it suits you, stay in your assumptions-ignore my optimistic attempt at a diplomatic handshake. The Court does not need recognition from the CoC, we are not some indolent state asking for the right to be recognized. Do as you wish, the consequences of our actions will surely be revealed in time. As yet, I haven't mentioned one word about your group, brother. So please do not presume to know my thoughts before I speak them.
The CoC would have to do some kind of assessment before deciding on your organization's status. This whole process is brand new, and there is much to discuss before anything is set in stone.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
My apologies. I am an intense and prideful person, and impatient when I shouldn't be. When I encounter such situations as this, where something miraculous could happen-just waiting to burst forth in glory, it is hard not to be excited. And I am so very suspicious of people wanting to ruin my delight. Whenever you're ready.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 9, 2010 0:21:59 GMT -6
The whole Unification debate has already created change!
Chloe, apparently the defacto leader of the Order of the Nine Angles, is not interested in any kind of inter-group discourse (I might post her email and my response if there's interest). What's more, she has ordered Sugarcubz to delete her account on our forum. If you're wondering where all of Qz'bah's posts went to, there's your answer. Sad news, but hopefully she'll come back soon once she's realized that Chloe is not God's answer to the ONA, and the ONA is not God's answer to enlightenment.
Oh well, at least action was taken and results were observed. If you're interested in pushing this Unification agenda forward, then I suggest increasing exposure of this page:
www.cultofcthulhu.net/2010/08/unification-the-will-of-power/
Power has a will of its own, respect that will or be crushed by it... those are the options.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by lucofthelight on Aug 9, 2010 3:43:22 GMT -6
The whole Unification debate has already created change!
Chloe, apparently the defacto leader of the Order of the Nine Angles, is not interested in any kind of inter-group discourse (I might post her email and my response if there's interest). What's more, she has ordered Sugarcubz to delete her account on our forum. If you're wondering where all of Qz'bah's posts went to, there's your answer. Sad news, but hopefully she'll come back soon once she's realized that Chloe is not God's answer to the ONA, and the ONA is not God's answer to enlightenment.
Oh well, at least action was taken and results were observed. If you're interested in pushing this Unification agenda forward, then I suggest increasing exposure of this page:
www.cultofcthulhu.net/2010/08/unification-the-will-of-power/
Power has a will of its own, respect that will or be crushed by it... those are the options.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
Interesting development Master Satanis. Quite obviously the concept of Unification isn't everyone's bag. It's a shame that Qz'bah has deleted her posts as I found her knowledge and understanding of the Buddhist belief systems to be very informative and interesting. My main concern of the concept of Unification within the left hand path community is that people's ego's evidently get in the way of seeing the bigger picture. On a side note, I was wondering what kind of things do you foresee post 2012? Do you see a more controlled society that restricts everyone's freedoms or more a state of chaos and anarchy, or perhaps even both as an anarchistic reaction would be almost certain due to a global control of power over individual freedoms.? Awake! K'ara Kaiul Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by A:.O:. on Aug 9, 2010 8:53:53 GMT -6
The whole Unification debate has already created change!
Chloe, apparently the defacto leader of the Order of the Nine Angles, is not interested in any kind of inter-group discourse (I might post her email and my response if there's interest). What's more, she has ordered Sugarcubz to delete her account on our forum. High Priest Satanis I would be very interested in reading the email from this Chloe person as well as your response. This, as far as I'm aware, is the first official response from a 'leader' of another group to the Cult's Unification initiative. It could be a great learning tool. The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die
A:.O:. Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 9, 2010 10:12:28 GMT -6
Dear Venger,
I have personally read your recent document regarding unification. Personally I am happy with the sinister direction and essence the Cult of Cthulhu has taken. An organization that desires to exist for a long time must have some sort of direction and goals. Even if such direction and goals are reific and unattainable. We have Christianity to observe and even Buddhism where the objective and aim each adherent adopts and believes in actualizing are saving people from damnation and enlightening the anariya. Even though hell doesn't exist and nobody seems to know what the word "enlightenment" means exactly.
Not having a sense of direction or goals for one's members to work for on the other hand causes the memeplex and institution in question to exist aimlessly. Such aimless organizations end up like the Church of Satan which ends up dilapidating and degenerating as a memeplex over time.
In this Light, I am honestly glad to know that your Cult of Cthulhu has developed a sense of Self where as an entity it knows it needs direction and something grand or visionary to work towards. This will insure that your organization will survive your own death intact as a coherent yet evolving memeplex. Which means that in the greater scheme of things your memeplex will one day help displace and perhaps even replace this diseased subcultural memeplex we call Satanism.
That being all said: I have talked about the idea of relations or "partnerships" between ONA and COC with my associates in and about the ONA. The general voice is that they disagree with the fundamental idea of Unification of any sort. The ONA Kollective has stated that it desires to remain autonomous and sovereign so that it alone has the right and power to determine its own Wyrd and to live its Kollective existence as it sees fit according to its own Sinister Nature, interests, and dictates. Therefore the ONA must; for its own future and our future progeny's personal Imperium; decline your suggestion and offer of partnerships and relations.
Our sister Lynzie (SugaCubez 352) is very young and enthusiatic and too trusting with others. She is smart and genuinely wants to help everybody by offering them what knowledge she learns; not knowing that her trusting and enthusiastic nature can produce some detrimental causal effects for the ONA and the interests and security of the ONA in the future.
Therefore, I am sorry to do so, but I will have to instruct her to leave your group and not affiliate with the Cult of Cthulhu or any other organization. It is unfortunate, but we each must do what must be done to protect our interests and securities. I hope you do understand. It is nothing personal. It's just how the ONA does things and we all take orders and instructions from somebody; or at least I do. As the Head of you own organization, I feel as though you will come to understand the choices made and actions taken. Best of furtune to the Cult of Cthulhu and its ambitions.
Chloe 352 Order of Nine Angles 121 yf
ONA Nexion 352
Chloe,
While I agree that a partnership between the ONA and CoC is premature, I don't see a problem with continuing a friendship and free discussion of ideas. To myself and Beast Xeno, it looks like the ONA's progress is being stifled. Too much homogany, too much micro-management, draconian order, and meme conformity smacks of a control freak at the helm, as well as, limited avenues for evolution. What nature has shown is that cross-pollination, not insularity, increases the chance for genetic survival.
I don't want the ONA to lose their identity; nor do I want to lord over your group. The LHP can either work together at some point, or we can struggle and compete fruitlessly amongst ourselves.
It is the Cult's hope that sometime in the near future you'll come back to this missed opportunity with new eyes.
Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
Good question. It really depends on how the Cthulhu Cult and other LHP organizations negotiate the ebb and flow of reality. There is conscious order which is much different than mechanical order. The former helps us evolve, the latter oppresses us.
I'm sure various pockets of anarchy and control will make themselves known throughout the Emerald Apocalypse.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Aug 9, 2010 18:49:11 GMT -6
If you included both the right and Left Hand Path, then you'd have everybody. I wish that all humanity acted in a conscious way, but it does not. We must divide the wheat from the chaff. At this time, I can't think of a better word or phrase to define our commonality. If you or anyone else can, then please make the attempt.[/color][/quote] It's not about having everybody. Not everyone will be interested in awakening, regardless of what path the come from. Not everyone is operating consciously, nor will everyone ever operate consciously. It is, however, about remaining open to the individual. Seperating the wheat from the chaff is fine. Assuming that an individual is chaff because they come to the CoC with a RHP background and set of beliefs seems limiting. My main concern of the concept of Unification within the left hand path community is that people's ego's evidently get in the way of seeing the bigger picture. The ONA isn't the first LHP group to turn down this idea from our High Priest. Master Satanis, how do you propose we go about getting past other group's/leader's egos to lead them to the "bigger picture"? Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 9, 2010 21:20:08 GMT -6
Background is not important; finding a reason to work is.
Those who are open to the idea of annihilating the lesser gods of the earth and their universe should step forward. I'd say that at least 90% of people who identify with the right hand path, or similar paradigm, will not want to affiliate with the Cthulhu Cult. Show me a non-LHP practitioner that wishes to see this reality burn along with the parasitic deities who designed it, and I'll gladly call him my brother.
I intend to follow the advice of Master Diabolus: just keep doing what we do to the best of our abilities until the wisdom of Unification becomes self-evident.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 20, 2010 1:16:53 GMT -6
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Aug 20, 2010 4:53:54 GMT -6
Well now! I've been needing this structure in print for a couple of days now. I have felt this change coming for the past week, the need to organize! Thank you so very much for this helpful post!!!!! When the Stars are Right!
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Post by egodiabolus on Aug 20, 2010 8:51:19 GMT -6
High Priest Venger Satanis and Fellow Cultists,
"Dark Pursuits Bathed in Fire: The Observable Current of the Left Hand Path" represents a major stride being taken not just by the Cult of Cthulhu, but by the participants within the Left Hand Path as a whole. This is the current of the Left Hand Path delineated and manifested, describing the approach that is observed being taken by those individuals who are successfully walking the Path. Autonomy is the self-actualization that is prevalent amongst successful individuals. You cannot begin to define reality until the reality of the self is defined. Power is the means by which the Autonomous individual sees his or her will manifest. Power comes in many forms, and we all have as individuals some power. Our effort is to cultivate what we have and learn to amass power by exercising our power. Self-deification is the ultimate end of the Autonomous being amassing and exercising their power. We seek to develop into beings who manifest the majority of their individual realities as opposed to suffering under the dictates of a reality manifested by others.
Individually, there is a cap on what we can achieve. This is where coordinating our efforts with others who have common goals and methods which compliment our own. This is the purpose of organization. Each organization is in and of itself an individual entity, following the same patterns to achieve Autonomy, amass Power, and become a Deity amongst other institutions. The success of the individual and the success of the organization they choose to support are symbiotic. The end goal is to guide the species to greater potential and a more secure future.
The challenge is to follow-through as individuals. If you are comfortable... if you are content, then you are more dead than alive, more asleep than awake, a slave to your past rather than a master of your future. The Left Hand Path has no place for bench-warmers or cheerleaders. We should all see "Dark Pursuits Bathed in Fire" as a mandate, and ask ourselves if we are following these successful patterns in our own life. Are your efforts in line with these pursuits, or are you languishing on the wayside, waiting for something to happen and hoping that through the charity of others you will somehow benefit?
There are changes coming to our reality, and you need no prophetic visions to see it. The pendulum of time is swinging from stability to instability, from certainty to risk. Governments are weakening, economies are failing, the environment grows more turbulent, and religions are clashing. We of the Left Hand Path should look upon these things not with fear, but with joy! Instability means greater potential and ease in manifesting our will! It is easier to shift the sand than to try to shape a diamond, and our reality becomes more sand-like every day. Those who are taking action now, seeking to enact their will in this harsh environment will be as gods in the natural course of time when instability means opportunity for those who have honed their wills to a razor's edge.
The rest will simply be swept aside by the storm.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 20, 2010 11:16:27 GMT -6
High Priest Venger Satanis and Fellow Cultists,
"Dark Pursuits Bathed in Fire: The Observable Current of the Left Hand Path" represents a major stride being taken not just by the Cult of Cthulhu, but by the participants within the Left Hand Path as a whole. This is the current of the Left Hand Path delineated and manifested, describing the approach that is observed being taken by those individuals who are successfully walking the Path. Autonomy is the self-actualization that is prevalent amongst successful individuals. You cannot begin to define reality until the reality of the self is defined. Power is the means by which the Autonomous individual sees his or her will manifest. Power comes in many forms, and we all have as individuals some power. Our effort is to cultivate what we have and learn to amass power by exercising our power. Self-deification is the ultimate end of the Autonomous being amassing and exercising their power. We seek to develop into beings who manifest the majority of their individual realities as opposed to suffering under the dictates of a reality manifested by others.
Individually, there is a cap on what we can achieve. This is where coordinating our efforts with others who have common goals and methods which compliment our own. This is the purpose of organization. Each organization is in and of itself an individual entity, following the same patterns to achieve Autonomy, amass Power, and become a Deity amongst other institutions. The success of the individual and the success of the organization they choose to support are symbiotic. The end goal is to guide the species to greater potential and a more secure future.
The challenge is to follow-through as individuals. If you are comfortable... if you are content, then you are more dead than alive, more asleep than awake, a slave to your past rather than a master of your future. The Left Hand Path has no place for bench-warmers or cheerleaders. We should all see "Dark Pursuits Bathed in Fire" as a mandate, and ask ourselves if we are following these successful patterns in our own life. Are your efforts in line with these pursuits, or are you languishing on the wayside, waiting for something to happen and hoping that through the charity of others you will somehow benefit?
There are changes coming to our reality, and you need no prophetic visions to see it. The pendulum of time is swinging from stability to instability, from certainty to risk. Governments are weakening, economies are failing, the environment grows more turbulent, and religions are clashing. We of the Left Hand Path should look upon these things not with fear, but with joy! Instability means greater potential and ease in manifesting our will! It is easier to shift the sand than to try to shape a diamond, and our reality becomes more sand-like every day. Those who are taking action now, seeking to enact their will in this harsh environment will be as gods in the natural course of time when instability means opportunity for those who have honed their wills to a razor's edge.
The rest will simply be swept aside by the storm.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu This.
And I'm putting it in the Directory of Awesome Posts, Master Diabolus.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by A:.O:. on Aug 20, 2010 12:04:28 GMT -6
I've been reading and re-reading "Dark Pursuits Bathed in Fire" all morning and, for lack of some better words, it is completely amazing.
It really sets the bar from what a Left-hand Path Practioner should be striving for and doing. Which begs the questions, if you are not doing these things, or at least trying to do these things, then what are you? You certainly don't seem to be a Left-hand Path Practioner...
I'm embarrassed to say that since I've considered myself a Satanist all those years ago, there has been times that I really wasn't - I was just floating along complacent and sheep-like. These days I'm far more focused but with this mandate I can see that my focus needs sharpening.
ia ia Cthulhu fhtagn!
A:.O:. Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu[/b]
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Aug 20, 2010 18:52:37 GMT -6
I've been reading and re-reading "Dark Pursuits Bathed in Fire" all morning and, for lack of some better words, it is completely amazing. It really sets the bar from what a Left-hand Path Practioner should be striving for and doing. Which begs the questions, if you are not doing these things, or at least trying to do these things, then what are you? You certainly don't seem to be a Left-hand Path Practioner... I'm embarrassed to say that since I've considered myself a Satanist all those years ago, there has been times that I really wasn't - I was just floating along complacent and sheep-like. These days I'm far more focused but with this mandate I can see that my focus needs sharpening. ia ia Cthulhu fhtagn!
A:.O:. Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu[/b] That makes two of us!! Awake
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Aug 20, 2010 19:18:38 GMT -6
here's a vid. i made relative to the unification idea. please excuse my rambling. BTW: i wanted to put it as a video response but i can't find the any of the buttons for it. Maybe i'm blind, but does anyone know what has happend to them? When the stars are right!!
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Post by loke on Aug 20, 2010 21:13:47 GMT -6
Great work on the dark pursuits of the LHP High Priest Satanis. I just put this link on the activity stream on my myspace, had to put it in a bulletin in order to manifest the link. It seems to work, the bulletin is called LHP. Maybe it will help get Dark Pursuits more readings. IA IA CTHULHU FHTAGN!!!! LOKE CULT OF CTHULHU
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