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Post by lokidreaming on Jun 5, 2011 18:29:38 GMT -6
COC and Master Satanis,
I have informed Master Satanis privately regarding this matter to a certain extent and thought why not post this publicly on the COC boards.
What magick does COC practice? (Please be detailed in your response to the above question as answers like black magick is too general eg, you mean qlippoth, tunnel of sets, voodoo, hoodoo, obeah etc etc and why you think it will be beneficial for the COC to apply it to its paradigm)
How does one apply certain magickal practices to align with the COC paradigm? How proficient does COC want its member to be in these areas? Why isn't there a system to help those struggling or need more help as you keep on saying magick this and that, but I don't really see any support system in place? Why isn't anyone putting there hands up to help others in these areas or a public place on the COC sites to request help?
Beleif IS Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by sin on Jun 5, 2011 20:48:30 GMT -6
1. The Transcendental arts: Alpha Ecstasis, Evocare and Fogue rituals. 2. Glamour magic: The artful use of self-applied delusions, self-hypnosis and misdirecting others to force the current of will. These are my primary modalities, all other forms of magic can be taken under these umbrellas. I pirate from nearly every culture, create my own syncretic systems and use them at will. As to your questions, I offer my own perspectives, offer assistance to those needing it, and direct the current of the posts on the Social Network. Not entirely sure why you have such a narrow view. Even a perusal of the archives here will provide more than enough material in terms of definitions, meaning and praxis. Have you looked through past discussions over the span of 3+ years of posts? Perhaps you might assist with organizing the content so its easier to find. I'm currently organizing material for the CoC Wiki, and could sure use the help in pulling out useful content from the archives for that site. It will have an entire section on ritual and magic. cocthulhu.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=all
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Post by lokidreaming on Jun 6, 2011 4:14:52 GMT -6
Cora'Sahn,
Could you explain what you mean by me having sucj a narrow view and point taken and will be going through the posts properly this time round.
Would love to help you out in that area and please refer to your inbox on further info
Belief IS Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by sin on Jun 6, 2011 8:21:32 GMT -6
Certainly.
Your commentary:
"Why isn't there a system to help those struggling or need more help as you keep on saying magick this and that, but I don't really see any support system in place? Why isn't anyone putting there hands up to help others in these areas or a public place on the COC sites to request help?"
Narrow view, in that you do not see it, but it is present and apparent by viewing the archives and present activities on the social network.
I will check my inbox, thanks.
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Post by lokidreaming on Jun 7, 2011 1:29:12 GMT -6
Coras'Sahn,
Point taken and will be going throught the posts more throughly.
Even though I haven't gone through all the posts yet, I would like to ask if there are desginated COC members to refer to regarding help in certain magickal opertaions/ritual and if not, will that be up and running in the future sometime?
Belief Is Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by sin on Jun 7, 2011 7:38:09 GMT -6
Yes, it will be. We are in the process of restructuring and reorganizing. There will be a published list of go-to people who specialize in specific areas. In the meantime, you can post threads here, or on the SN and I'm sure you will receive feedback from the cultists.
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Post by dudetyson on Jun 7, 2011 19:13:16 GMT -6
Hey Loki, I'm a magick noob as well. If you want to do experiments and compare results back and forth, I'm down. I'm on the network more than the forum, see you there.
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Post by lokidreaming on Jun 8, 2011 1:49:43 GMT -6
Dude Tyson,
Will do as I am ona look out for other like minded individuals exeprimenting and coming up with new power objects and ways of doing magickal operations/rituals.
Recently I have been influenced by this persons usage of telsa coils and Cora.Sahns recent posting.
I am like Georege in Gerorge and the Marveloous Medicine (by Road Dahl)
Beleif IS Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by tiswas on Oct 13, 2012 14:53:11 GMT -6
Good Question indeed, I would personally use Glamour Magick, Astral Magick but I will be vary of Vampiric Magick because if you feed off someone, you can obtain their sickness and personality. I have done some brilliant magick from that excellent book written by Carl Nagal and it is called 'The Book of the Old Ones'. This is what got me into Lord Cthulhu and the rest of these elemental dieties. Some outsiders, if they saw this forum would claim that we do extreme Satanism, but I will NEVER deal with animal sacrifice. I hate them and curse of Cthuhlu to them!!!
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Oct 29, 2012 14:21:03 GMT -6
Good Question indeed, I would personally use Glamour Magick, Astral Magick but I will be vary of Vampiric Magick because if you feed off someone, you can obtain their sickness and personality. I have done some brilliant magick from that excellent book written by Carl Nagal and it is called 'The Book of the Old Ones'. This is what got me into Lord Cthulhu and the rest of these elemental dieties. Some outsiders, if they saw this forum would claim that we do extreme Satanism, but I will NEVER deal with animal sacrifice. I hate them and curse of Cthuhlu to them!!! Read The Psychic Vampire Codex it teaches you to filter out from a persons energy stuff you don't want to experince !
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Post by Kai'zen on Nov 1, 2012 17:03:58 GMT -6
[teal]Given the nature and style of the Cult, I'll choose to answer these as pertaining to myself, rather than the body as a whole.
I practice a whole lot of CoC paradigmal magick. It's not quite as polished or defined as the work of some of the others around here though. Most of it is based off of a collaboration I was involved in a while back, and involves a lot of extremely spontaneous behaviors and expressions things like cave painting in stormwater tunnels while howling like an animal or eating raw flesh while painting with the blood. It has lots of shamanic tendencies, and strongly involves choice of environment, and the creation of ritual objects.
I don't. Magick, particularly in the form I practice it is a mode of intellectual decompression. A few brief moments of creative savagery are enjoyed. The CoC paradigm, in contrast, is shifted in a much more intellectual direction of self-observation, which is in my opinion the death of immersion. I disregard the CoC entirely, because, if it's working, then it will have seeped in deep enough to manifest in my actions while in an impulsive state.
I'd like to see more general Magickal literacy in the Cult.
The CoC is a religion, a school of thought even. But it is not a Magickal school. Also, I was under the impression that those who had read and understood our texts correctly (A:O and Cthulhu Cult) would usually come to an understanding of Magick as a malleable thing as illusory as the reality they live in. But that may just be me.
I don't put my hand up. If people want it, because they've seen something I've said that interests them, they can ask, and have something to share in return[/teal]
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Post by sin on Nov 1, 2012 20:51:08 GMT -6
What would you recommend? Each cultist will develop their own methods for the transformation of self. Ideally, all progress is magic.
CS
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 4, 2012 9:46:59 GMT -6
[teal]Given the nature and style of the Cult, I'll choose to answer these as pertaining to myself, rather than the body as a whole. I practice a whole lot of CoC paradigmal magick. It's not quite as polished or defined as the work of some of the others around here though. Most of it is based off of a collaboration I was involved in a while back, and involves a lot of extremely spontaneous behaviors and expressions things like cave painting in stormwater tunnels while howling like an animal or eating raw flesh while painting with the blood. It has lots of shamanic tendencies, and strongly involves choice of environment, and the creation of ritual objects. I don't. Magick, particularly in the form I practice it is a mode of intellectual decompression. A few brief moments of creative savagery are enjoyed. The CoC paradigm, in contrast, is shifted in a much more intellectual direction of self-observation, which is in my opinion the death of immersion. I disregard the CoC entirely, because, if it's working, then it will have seeped in deep enough to manifest in my actions while in an impulsive state. I'd like to see more general Magickal literacy in the Cult. The CoC is a religion, a school of thought even. But it is not a Magickal school. Also, I was under the impression that those who had read and understood our texts correctly (A:O and Cthulhu Cult) would usually come to an understanding of Magick as a malleable thing as illusory as the reality they live in. But that may just be me. I don't put my hand up. If people want it, because they've seen something I've said that interests them, they can ask, and have something to share in return[/teal] If you're suggesting that our 4th Way junk is mostly intellectual masturbation, then I have to reply with a resounding "Nope!"
There's a method to the madness. The Work attempts to break through our ordinary physical, emotional, and intellectual centers. Cultists, assuming they use our emerald paradigm correctly, enter into states which are just as intellectually decompressed as yours, brother.
Can one be immersed within something while observing it from a distance? Guess what, we're talking about exactly that right now in a thread about time, discussing an older blog post I wrote about being in and outside the present moment simultaneously.
Is it our job to teach magical literacy or teach individuals how to create their own magical language?
Awake!
VS
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Post by thorgrim on Nov 4, 2012 12:13:31 GMT -6
Maybe the answer is to create a Syllabus of reccomended works broken down into levels of difficulty.
Beginners works that I reccomend to everyone include:
1). Mastering Witchcraft by Paul Huson ( perfect primer in the sorcerous arts of Traditional witchcraft)****
2). Abrahadabra by Rodney Orpheus ( the samething for the magick of Thelema) ****
3). Liber Null and Psychonaut by Peter Caroll (Chaos Magicks bible, yet accessible to the beginner) ***
4). Northern Magick by Dr. Stephen Flowers ( Very basic break down of Germanic sorcery)***
5). Helsongs by Robin Artison ( The same as above except this work goes into darker aspects of this system, rare among Heathen authors) ***
6). Science and the unseen world by Stanley Eddington ( great little book that brings a correlation between the two namesake subjects, in a beginners sense)
7). Uncle Setnakts Essential guide to the LHP by Don Webb ( philosophy of LHP in the most plain language possible, I love this one) ***
8). Magick in theory and practice by Aleister Crowley ( OK not a beginners book, but this is the ultimate in my opinion, if you can get used to him writing like a Victorian era Cambridge man, you will see that this book reveals Uncle Al was one step from godhood) 5 star ***** because he literally explains it all, philosophy, mythology, sorcery etc.
Hope this helps, I am biased, but I believe these are great starters, as in when I read them I thought " where the hell were you a few years back!!" So goodluck!!
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Post by shawnhartnell on Nov 4, 2012 20:42:10 GMT -6
7). Uncle Setnakts Essential guide to the LHP by Don Webb ( philosophy of LHP in the most plain language possible, I love this one) *** Thanks for posting this. I had no idea this book existed, but now I have it and can tell it's going to be worth reading.
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Post by thorgrim on Nov 4, 2012 23:12:25 GMT -6
Mysteries of the Temple of Set (Inner Teachings of the Left Hand Path) By the same author Don Webb is also very good and if you like his style get this as well, I like his stuff personally. Hope you do too. Enjoy.
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