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Post by jtellio on Oct 22, 2012 8:04:17 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Oct 22, 2012 13:05:00 GMT -6
Hi Cora, I am currently reading another HP Lovecraft book of short stories, 'The Thing on the Doorstep' and other weird tales, published by Penguin. So, I'm reading the books through the Venger/Cult of Cthulhu. I haven't delved into the paradigm, you will have to give some indicators or links to begin with. I know it's a blend of Lovecraft and the Fourth Way philosophy (I think). I attend the Spiritualist churches, so am familiar with the idea of Spirit, hand healing and life after death. They know about the practice of Reiki, also.
The Lovecraftian setting is the back-drop, it involves a fair bit more than Cthulhu Cult Bible and Fourth Way.
cultofcthulhu.wikidot.com/
You can read some of the content culminated on our Wiki page. It's a start.
CS
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Post by jtellio on Oct 23, 2012 0:38:14 GMT -6
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Post by thorgrim on Oct 23, 2012 15:03:21 GMT -6
Jtellio,
Greetings from Ohio, I hope all is well with yourself. This thread is titled "Introduction of Magic", so I want to ask, are you just now trying to learn the unholy arts of sorcery? If the answer is yes then you have certainly come to the right place. There are many styles of sorcery around the world, sometimes several within one culture. We at the CoC, and I cannot speak for everyone, but I am sure a majority are like myself and self identify as "chaos"magicians. Chaos magick is simply a "best of" collection, results driven and unique to each practicioner. If you are a fan of mixed martial arts you can view it like I do with that analogy. In MMA, combatants use the most effective techniques for themselves personally from all schools of fighting and blend them into an even more effective private style that showcases their strengths while protecting their weaknesses. In chaos magick too, you figure out through trial and error, which techniques work the best for your own needs and eventually you tailor yourself a whole working system. Personally I feel Cthulhu is the preimere archetype for chaos magick, dead but dreaming he, just like chaos itself represents the sum total of ALL possibility. I view him akin to Jorgmunder, lurking beneath the murky depths, waiting to be unleashed upon the world in a cataclysmic upheaval of all order. Let Cthulhu be your avatar, the face for the faceless concept of smashing all boundaries to the evolution of yourself as a man, magician and being. Magick is the means by which this process is began, and groomed along the way until you unlock your own godhood within. For we ARE gods as well, reflections of their truth, we are because of them, they are because of us, here lies a mystery.
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Post by jtellio on Oct 24, 2012 2:23:11 GMT -6
Hi Thorgrim,
Thank you so much for your interest and posting. Yes, this is new territory for me, although I am familiar with mediumship and clairvoyancy, as well as the magic circle. The Lovecraft stories of Cthulhu is where, I take it, the chaos magicians adapt the concept of this ancient power (I think). But, what specific changes would you, as a chaos magician, request? Is there is a successful outcome? Surely you wouldn't harm another person? Thanks.
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Post by sin on Oct 24, 2012 11:24:21 GMT -6
As a Choas Magician myself, I can say that some harm will come to those who dabble without conscious will, as well as any in your path that mean to do you harm. In constructing the self, harm is in use but with purpose.
If you believe you can conduct any process of magic without harm, you are deluding yourself. Change through destruction is a requisite of any construction.
CS
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Post by thorgrim on Oct 24, 2012 16:26:49 GMT -6
Cora, as a guy who spends alot of time on construction sites, I like your analogy. They WILL NOT put a circle K in the same building where the old 7-11 was, its like they want to destroy any trace of it to remove all remembrance of them, so they rip every last brick out and trash the whole lot, just to rebuild it all in their image!!!
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Post by shawnhartnell on Oct 24, 2012 17:36:28 GMT -6
Change through destruction is a requisite of any construction.
CS My view is that change is both destruction and construction simultaneously.
For example, if I were to put on a silly hat, I would have both destroyed the version of me without the silly hat, and simultaneously created a version of myself that is wearing the silly hat.
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Post by sin on Oct 25, 2012 9:06:07 GMT -6
Cora, as a guy who spends alot of time on construction sites, I like your analogy. They WILL NOT put a circle K in the same building where the old 7-11 was, its like they want to destroy any trace of it to remove all remembrance of them, so they rip every last brick out and trash the whole lot, just to rebuild it all in their image!!!
Does a sculptor 'harm' the marble when he pulls out an image? I'd say, most definitely. The marble may be fine on its own before the sculptor starts hammering away, but in sculpting he pulls out something new from the original construction.
CS
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Post by sin on Oct 25, 2012 9:11:14 GMT -6
Change through destruction is a requisite of any construction.
CS My view is that change is both destruction and construction simultaneously.
That's kind of what I said. Some destruction, is for its sake alone. It just depends on your key aims.
And what can you construct from nothing? If energy is neither created or destroyed, it still needs fuel to increase and create a manifestation. An idea can be manifested into something tangible, but it requires an action.
You can 'imagine' yourself in a silly hat and that can alter your perception of self. Does it really require you have an actual hat? 'Imagining' is the action. It can both construct a new model of yourself, and alter the original. Is the original destroyed completely? Or can you just take off the hat?
CS
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Post by shawnhartnell on Oct 26, 2012 6:03:25 GMT -6
My view is that change is both destruction and construction simultaneously.
That's kind of what I said. Some destruction, is for its sake alone. It just depends on your key aims.
CS If you're using a bullshit justification like "destruction for it's own sake", you most likely aren't aware of your key aims. Just sayin'.
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Post by sin on Oct 26, 2012 9:20:46 GMT -6
That's kind of what I said. Some destruction, is for its sake alone. It just depends on your key aims.
CS If you're using a bullshit justification like "destruction for it's own sake", you most likely aren't aware of your key aims. Just sayin'.
Some destruction is more or less just an expression of one self, or to vent rage, or to be used for something down the road. You can't know what a person's key aims are. Each person is unique.
Presuming to know a person's level or awareness is well...Presumptuous.
CS
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Post by shawnhartnell on Oct 26, 2012 12:05:19 GMT -6
Pfffft. "Don't judge me," says the parrot. You win.
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Post by sin on Oct 26, 2012 14:08:02 GMT -6
haha, if it were about wins and losses, we could be at this for a very long time. Man pushes up hill, but he back slides often.
CS
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Post by shawnhartnell on Oct 31, 2012 12:26:04 GMT -6
The thing with "destruction for it's own sake" is that "destruction" has no intent, the person does. The ideal as often stated glosses over the necessary introspection and observation required for magic by focusing on the action, rather than the actor taking responsibility for their own mind and resulting actions.
It's an issue for me because I used to be one of those people and I know where that kind of thinking leads.
Sorry for the asshattery.
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Post by sin on Nov 1, 2012 5:38:22 GMT -6
Sure, we as human beings have intentions, but it doesn't mean that destruction can't set a chain of events in motion. Magic can still occur.
People are people, and while people often have constants in their behavior, they can also change with a little conscious Will. It's the main reason that I have no attachment to grudges, or harbor feelings towards them. I just see them for what they are.
I suppose, this is why it perplexes people to see me interacting with people they imagine I should not.
CS
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Post by shawnhartnell on Nov 1, 2012 7:10:42 GMT -6
Sure, we as human beings have intentions, but it doesn't mean that destruction can't set a chain of events in motion. Magic can still occur.
I never said that destruction can't be productive. Only that the justification of 'destruction for it's own sake' is counter-productive because it ignores the intent of the person using destruction as a means.[/color] [/quote] I seem to be unable to understand the relevance of that to how justification is counter-productive to magic. Or, is this the start of another sub-topic of this thread?
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Post by sin on Nov 1, 2012 8:18:37 GMT -6
I understand. I didn't state that you did. I was offering an opinion. Even in the 'destruction for destruction's sake', what you intended may actually produce results you were neither aiming for, or expected.
Part two was in response to your 'asshattery' comment.
CS
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Post by jtellio on Dec 16, 2012 10:38:52 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Dec 16, 2012 11:05:46 GMT -6
Mediation is a common tool to access parts of your mind that seem otherwise cut-off. I use trance work, when I see a need.
Let me know what you think of the story once you've finished reading it.
CS
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Post by jtellio on Dec 16, 2012 13:34:02 GMT -6
Thank you, Cora Sahn, yes, I will do.
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Post by jtellio on Feb 6, 2014 2:21:08 GMT -6
Thank you, Cora Sahn, yes, I will do.
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Post by jtellio on Feb 6, 2014 2:22:53 GMT -6
While mediums and clairvoyants described human death as being a portal to a new existence, Christian theology differs. It asserts that only in recognising Jesus as the Son of God do we secure eternal life. Jesus’ resurrection destroyed Death, and as Christians, we should operate on faith alone, rather than magic (ie trying to 'prove' eternal life conclusively). Instead, we should join ourselves with the salvific suffering of Christ, by partaking of the Host and performing Benediction. Jesus is hidden in the consecrated wafer. Reciting the Rosary daily is one of the most powerful forms of prayer against Satan, as well as daily reading of Scripture. Christianity requires that we also forego any connection with the use of 'bio-energy' therapy etc which may act as a portal for evil powers. (hence my erasure of previous comments). We should trust in God and His boundless mercy.
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