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Post by Inha Etbrae Ipshae on Apr 17, 2010 7:16:51 GMT -6
LOL It was a crappy joke about the few Wiccan covens around here. They are all into the peace, love, and environment thing while I am not. Some take their love for nature a bit too fair, that's where the tree sexin' comes into play. Awake! Yes, it's not environmentally aware people..... these nuts would actually fuck a tree. Getting in touch with the 'root' chakra. At least these people are not fucking sheep like the folks in New Zealand. Yes, this. Most Wiccans I've known were atleast fairly environmentally aware, but there is a difference between that and..
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Post by egodiabolus on Apr 17, 2010 8:05:26 GMT -6
The Cult of Cthulhu, unlike its Pagan, Wiccan, or whatever... counterparts, really does not have a place for concepts like "solitary" and "group" work. Indeed, the term "work" has a different meaning here that what has been applied throughout this thread. Work in this thread has focused on ritual-practice, magical or celebratory efforts.
This is not what it means to "work" in the Cult of Cthulhu.
Our Work is about self-development, about exploring and improving the self and the conditions of our existence. It occurs on three distinct but related levels. The first level, in which we are all engaged, is self-work. There are things only you can do yourself. We can talk about them, illustrate them, and explain them, but until you choose to understand them, do them, and make them a part of your own effort, it would be meaningless. You'll either do it or you won't.
The second level is what we are doing here, in this forum. This is group-work, the discussion and exchange of ideas between persons engaged in the first level. As you can see, there is no need to meet physically for this level of the Work; an open forum available 24-7 may be more beneficial than a face-to-face meeting on a regular basis. Your participation here makes you part of the group process.
The third level is what Ouspensky would call "school-work". Some persons engaged in the second level of the Work will decide that they wish to further the institution; that their personal development is tied to the development of the Cult of Cthulhu. It means that persons of the first level who have sufficiently inter-acted on the second level are now ready to pursue definite, unified aims... the third level.
There is no secret process to move from one level to the next... all are ongoing and all depend on your own level of effort. Its all you on level one, your choice on level two, and when you have shown you are ready on level three.
So, if you find yourself separated by others based on geography, don't sweat it. Continue your effort to understand and improve yourself, and to share with your peers here. We are all on a solitary path, we are all working with a group.
By His Loathsome Tentacles!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Apr 17, 2010 8:25:12 GMT -6
The comment about hitting a snake in the head pissed me off, I have a boa that is like family. Well what ever i guess i owe you this for being a moody bastard. +1 karma no hard feelings. I also love reptiles of any kind. Some people call me weird but that's me! Awake!
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Post by kingu77 on Jun 14, 2010 21:16:26 GMT -6
My magick is more primative and basic that some here.. I think I know what you mean, and I would not call it primitive. At least in my experience it is easier to not use rituals and such to get me into the proper mind state to accomplish what i desire. candles and incense and techno help in a calming sense just cause i am usually to twitchy and scatter brained to get in to any sort of trance like state. A ritual makes me feel more like I am doing some mundane work or some thing that has set ways of doing what ever it is and I just can't get into the right state of mind. I would say people like you or me are just more in tune with the spiritual side of our selves, and don't need to ritual part to accomplish the same goals. along the lines of self work, I would have to say that you know your self best and so doing it by your self may be the best bet, I know it is for me. Speaking with others for a tidbit of advice here and there may help you with parts you can't seem to get past but all in all to discover your self in the end no one knows you and they can not say you will have to do it. even those that work in groups should take some time to be alone and work alone. and lastly on the pagan subject the light fluffy bunny tree fucker crap is just what became popular, the dark ones are out there just hiding they tend to keep to the shadows. Don't get me wrong i could perhaps be an environmentalist I would much rather kill a stinking human than an animal. though flesh of the innocent does taste great. personally i think the fluffy bunny crowd are just the type who like to delude them selves and can't stand to see the darker side of thing so they pretend it is not there, so pretty much just delusional... i could go on but i just realized i am babbling so we will shut up now....
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jun 25, 2010 13:44:21 GMT -6
The so-called fluffy bunny Wiccans are individuals who lack perspective and balance, who tend to view things in a strict dualistic mind set of black and white, good and evil. Most of this New Age belief system an dumbed down magical practice nauseates me.
I used to study Dark Paganism and establish a balance between the light and dark aspects of nature. John Coughlin has an excellent book out about Dark Paganism if anyone here is interested.
Now I stand by the Cult of Cthulhu and LaVeyan Satanism as my primary philosophical belief systems. If I even require a structured "system" these days.
Awake!
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Post by 10kdays on Jun 25, 2010 15:52:06 GMT -6
The so-called fluffy bunny Wiccans are individuals who lack perspective and balance, who tend to view things in a strict dualistic mind set of black and white, good and evil. Most of this New Age belief system an dumbed down magical practice nauseates me. I used to study Dark Paganism and establish a balance between the light and dark aspects of nature. John Coughlin has an excellent book out about Dark Paganism if anyone here is interested. Now I stand by the Cult of Cthulhu and LaVeyan Satanism as my primary philosophical belief systems. If I even require a structured "system" these days. Awake! Perfectly said. When the stars are right!
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Post by egodiabolus on Jun 25, 2010 21:32:27 GMT -6
Since this thread has been resurrected (sort of), I have a question for those of you who do feel geographically isolated. In understand that some of you prefer to work in isolation ritually, but what about other aspects of our Emerald Society? How would you suggest we work toward our mutual support of one another? Is it all just interaction in forums like this, or should it go to something more? What would you suggest?
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by A'Zodul F'eid on Jun 28, 2010 14:46:57 GMT -6
I'm not entirely convinced that interaction is at all a necessity. I find the forum helpful in regards to finding some inspiration, but never once have I sought out nor stumbled upon instruction. Perhaps I should clarify. The Catholic Pope (Charles Manson could work as an example too) gives instruction to his followers. High Priest Satanis has not once said "Bobby, my boy, I want you to empty your bank account and drink this delightful Cool-Aid with me." Now, the way I see it is that Cthulhu talks to us in our dreams, or at least has the option to if he doesn't already do so semi regularly. I'm not entirely certain of Cthulhu's game plan, but if he needs our help to awaken at the right time or if he just wants us to assemble with him during his global smiting party, I'm sure we'll all be there. So really to Cthulhu it doesn't matter how we spend our social time. I would guess it's more a matter of what we as cultists want and what our High Priest thinks is good for our morale.
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jun 28, 2010 15:05:22 GMT -6
I'm usually wary to join any type of group, organization, or cult. This is due to the shitstorm of drama I've run into the in the past. Many of the groups and organizations I've belonged to in the past have had a shelf life shorter than a gallon of milk.
However, this Cult that I can proudly confess to being a member of has shown me it's worth. We have something real here folks, something viable and unheard of before.
I've never learned so much as I do from these forums. I only hope that one day we can transcend the bounds of the Internet and move to a greater prescence offline.
I would consider myself geographically isolated as I live in Alabama. I'd love to start a grotto one day if there would ever be another Alabama Cultist. The Occult lacks any sort of real prescence here... Maybe that can change, maybe not.
So for the time being I am pretty much solitary. Unless I want to join the pagans.
Awake!
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Post by egodiabolus on Jun 28, 2010 17:02:46 GMT -6
I'm not entirely convinced that interaction is at all a necessity. I find the forum helpful in regards to finding some inspiration, but never once have I sought out nor stumbled upon instruction. Perhaps I should clarify. The Catholic Pope (Charles Manson could work as an example too) gives instruction to his followers. High Priest Satanis has not once said "Bobby, my boy, I want you to empty your bank account and drink this delightful Cool-Aid with me." Now, the way I see it is that Cthulhu talks to us in our dreams, or at least has the option to if he doesn't already do so semi regularly. I'm not entirely certain of Cthulhu's game plan, but if he needs our help to awaken at the right time or if he just wants us to assemble with him during his global smiting party, I'm sure we'll all be there. So really to Cthulhu it doesn't matter how we spend our social time. I would guess it's more a matter of what we as cultists want and what our High Priest thinks is good for our morale. Awake! I'm usually wary to join any type of group, organization, or cult. This is due to the shitstorm of drama I've run into the in the past. Many of the groups and organizations I've belonged to in the past have had a shelf life shorter than a gallon of milk. However, this Cult that I can proudly confess to being a member of has shown me it's worth. We have something real here folks, something viable and unheard of before. I've never learned so much as I do from these forums. I only hope that one day we can transcend the bounds of the Internet and move to a greater prescence offline. I would consider myself geographically isolated as I live in Alabama. I'd love to start a grotto one day if there would ever be another Alabama Cultist. The Occult lacks any sort of real prescence here... Maybe that can change, maybe not. So for the time being I am pretty much solitary. Unless I want to join the pagans. Awake! I appreciate both of your responses, but neither of you really answered my question. This seems to be an issue that we, as the Cult of Cthulhu, are facing as of late. Participation in forums such as this is fine and many of us are learning and growing from our interaction here, but it has its limits. What I am asking is, "how do we step it up?".
Suicidemuse:
If interaction is not necessary, then what is the point of participating in this forum? Interaction is one of the foundational purposes of the Cult of Cthulhu. You can only accomplish so much alone, and so much more when working in tandem with others. I am not talking about flying all over the country to meet with other Cultists, I am talking about a coordinated effort and mutual support toward a common benefit.
No one is talking about "instruction" this forum is for guidance, from both your peers and those who might have a little more experience. This is not a matter of conceit or a suggestion that "more experience" is in terms of hierarchy in the Cult of Cthulhu. I am certain that there is something that you have more experience in than I. If I found need for guidance in whatever that may be then I would turn to you for it and assume that your guidance would be available. Unfortunately, since we aren't working on a tangible goal of some sort, I have very little opportunity to get to know you and discover where your experience is at.
It is about what our Cultists want, but not about morale. Let's say, based on your example, that it really is just a matter of waiting on word from Cthulhu. Should we not have been working in tandem to become the best possible agents for that event as possible? Should we not each be at our prime? And who determines what your "prime" is? You do. You say "these are my goals", and you go for them. We are going to have common goals, from the mundane to the miraculous. The Cult of Cthulhu should be united in helping every other Cultist raise their standard of living, achieve their goals, and squeeze every drop out of the life we have now so that the whole organization is stronger for it. Its members should be working with one another to make things happen. What if you're not waiting for a "call from Cthulhu"... should your effort be any different? If you're not living your life for as much as you can get out of it, then what are you living it for? If this fine institution and its membership can be mutually beneficial to that end, then why not use it? I don't know what Cthulhu is saying to you in your dreams, but your dreams should be nothing short of "get out there and make your mark". The short-lived organizations focused exclusively on the mystical aspect of their interactions. The long-lasting organizations recognized there is no separation between the mundane and the mystical, it is all a matter of degrees. Such organizations encourage their membership to seek one another out and unite in every aspect they found that they shared and could work together on. We should, as individual members and as an organization, be doing something(s) practical to establish lasting monuments to ourselves and our common cause that will out-last us.
Kai'Sigth:
If we have something real here, what is it? I am not saying that I do not agree with you. I am saying that what we have here is being little utilized by the majority of our members. Lots and lots of discussion and so very little application. Shouldn't what we do have some kind of practical benefit? Shouldn't the work you put into with the Cult of Cthulhu result in some tangible benefit, something that others can see in you and recognize that you have an advantage that they do not?
This organization is off-line. The Occult is very much present where you are. It is in your skin, riding around in your cranium. I would love to re-establish the Cult of Cthulhu Convention, but who would come? Who would have their jobs and their bills as a rightful excuses not to make the flight and rent a hotel room just to drink a few beers and talk about some "crazy-shit" with High Priest Venger Satanis and Priests of R'lyeh Beast Xeno and Ego Diabolus? It comes down to application of what we are all learning and discussing here. What good is it if you gain nothing practical from it? "Think Differently", "Observe Yourself", "Be Inspired", "Get Creative"... these are all great mantras, but if you are not actually doing something with them then they are just empty words.
Talk is cheap. I've talked about getting all the Texas members together for a weekend. We aren't talking about flying across the country, we are talking about at most a 5 hour drive for any one of us. Individually we might drop about $200 for a room and food apiece. Trust me, I know for some that is a real sacrifice, but are your seriously telling me that we are so enchained in our prisons that we do not have the freedom to, with a year to prepare, make that kind of commitment? What kind of practitioner of "magic" can't pull off that trick? I have to call bullshit, because if you are doing what I am doing (the Work), then you know just how much time a year from now really is, and you know just how little $200 is to do something fun for yourself.
The real reason no one was interested was it would mean getting out of their little comfort zones. It would be time to put-up or shut-up, and when that time comes those of us who do some of the greatest amount of talking in this forum have nothing to say. It is easy just to live in your head, but when it comes time to show something for it you find yourself with nothing.
Kai'Sigth, I am not trying to call you out on this. I know you have just as much commitment to the Cult of Cthulhu as I do. But, with your practice of the Occult, with your study in the Cult of Cthulhu, shouldn't you be experiencing advantages over the "sheeple" around you that make your life easier? Shouldn't you be such an example of the ideal you wish to achieve that others are looking to you and asking you how you did it?
Sure, you're in some time-space you call "Alabama" which is apparently an isolated hell in the middle of nowhere and not two states and a very cool drive from where I am at or even the next state over from Beast Xeno, so you may be a "special case", but if the Pagans are in the woods preforming mock sex-rituals because their Goddess and God disdain bodily fluids then I am certain that there is at least one other person in isolation with you who wants something a little more "real", a little more "dark"... something that works. They just haven't seen an example of it yet. It is the example you should be showing them.
Cult of Cthulhu:
What I am saying here is pretty simple. We have a collective of some of the most innovative and hungry minds in the universe right here. I know that if I could get a dozen of you, or less, to work as a unified front on ANYTHING real, in a tangible, practical sense, we would see some amazing shit happen. Lord Satanis said in another thread that the three of us (Beast Xeno and myself included), are basically just waiting for you. We are not the "instruction" kind of guys, we are the "figure it out yourself" kind. We are working together and with others. We support our individual goals and work toward the betterment of the Cult of Cthulhu as a whole. We are looking for people who:
A) Have their shit together, to be blunt. You are self-sufficient in your mundane life, and ambitious.
B) Have an idea. You've got a plan that will benefit the Cult of Cthulhu and maybe yourself in the process.
C) Have a clue. If you know what I mean, then you have a clue. If you don't know what I mean, or are offended by this requisite, then you know what that means.
Feel free to respond to this thread, send any of us a PM or email, contact us via carrier pigeon, use smoke signals, whatever you think you need to do to get our attention. This is YOUR Cult of Cthulhu. We want to know what you want to do with it.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jun 28, 2010 18:35:25 GMT -6
I agree. Entropy seems to be the mainstay with many of the Cults members, even myself at times. I'll admit that I'm guilty to "slacking" off at times when it comes to the Work and contributing to these forums. I'm not as far along in the Work as I would like but there is a real tangible benefit from the Cult of Cthulhu, if one dedicates himself to the path and the Work. There is much to benefit.
Words are empty. It's the meaning we give to these words that define them. As Cultists we should take a proactive stance and be progressive toward our existence.
I for one would definitely support the idea of a convention.
When I was 18 a friend and I drove to Maryland to get together with other Satanists. A year is more than enough time to prepare for such a thing. It certainly isn't much to ask!
I do have an advantage. I am not bound by the same religious ideals and moralities that they are. I hope I didn't come off like I was complaining or whining about being in Alabama. I don't mind it here, it's just hard to come by other's whom are in the occult. I suppose I could go digging in some of the Pagan groups around Birmingham for someone who is looking for something a little darker.
You're right, Priest Ego. I admit, I could do well to be a better example.
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by lucofthelight on Jun 29, 2010 5:15:35 GMT -6
I'd be really into committing to the 4th way school for the Cult on the the live chat application on a weekly basis. Priest Ego Diabolus, I know we tried it once and I found it to be very valuable as I know you did. Unfortunately we were the only ones in attendance but I think this could change if we got some momentum going and promoted it well enough on the forum. I think that could really get things fired up and really motivate individual Cultists involved in the work to get to know their stuff. Our chat really got me super thinking about the fourth way practices in my own life and if it was regular I think this would stimulate excelerated awakening in individual cultists participating. If individual Cultists are Awakening and becoming more advanced in the fourth way then this would benefit the Cult of Cthulhu as a whole.
Anyone interested?
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jun 29, 2010 6:09:58 GMT -6
I would be interested. Sounds like a good idea.
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Post by lucofthelight on Jun 29, 2010 6:24:28 GMT -6
There's something that is gained by live interaction I think Kai'Sigth. Even the simplest ideas of the fourth way can take on a profound practical meaning to really aid the individual. The main obstacle I can foresee is a timeslot that is convenient for everyone involved. I'm sure it shouldn't be too difficult though.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 29, 2010 10:26:04 GMT -6
I am interested as well.
Chat is immediate, which is nice... perhaps the chat or instant message feature could be incorporated with an open-ended, multi-user document such as my LHP round table idea? But with more of a classroom feel. Limiting a continuous manuscript to a few people and just keep it going back and forth. I'm open to whatever.
Awake!
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Post by lucofthelight on Jun 29, 2010 14:54:25 GMT -6
I am interested as well.
Chat is immediate, which is nice... perhaps the chat or instant message feature could be incorporated with an open-ended, multi-user document such as my LHP round table idea? But with more of a classroom feel. Limiting a continuous manuscript to a few people and just keep it going back and forth. I'm open to whatever.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
I do like the sound of this Lord Satanis. A continuous manuscript would be great. Perhaps even both would formats would be desirable. One as a scheduled live chat and another as a continuous script. Awake!
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