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Post by Deadly Disease on Feb 4, 2007 13:50:43 GMT -6
I've read parts of the Simon Necronomicon and it seems only clear to me that the purpose of the book is to fight all darkness and defeat the ancient ones in the names of Enki and Marduk. So the following question is adressed to those who follow the ancient gods in this particular forum..
Since you follow the ancient ones, what (if one) tome of magick do you follow? What system of worship, magick do you follow that develops the self? I ask this because it is clear that none of you follow the Simonicon as it doesn't go hand in hand with your beliefs.
I eagerly await your responses
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 4, 2007 14:10:27 GMT -6
i can't speak for those who follow the simon Necronomicon, since i don't.
however, i do know that one person's good is another's evil... and one person's paradise is another's torment.
the official Cult of Cthulhu's beliefs are codified in Cthulhu Cult, our bible:www.lulu.com/content/606582 Venger Satanis High Priest
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Feb 9, 2007 19:45:25 GMT -6
I've read parts of the Simon Necronomicon and it seems only clear to me that the purpose of the book is to fight all darkness and defeat the ancient ones in the names of Enki and Marduk. So the following question is adressed to those who follow the ancient gods in this particular forum.. Since you follow the ancient ones, what (if one) tome of magick do you follow? What system of worship, magick do you follow that develops the self? I ask this because it is clear that none of you follow the Simonicon as it doesn't go hand in hand with your beliefs. I eagerly await your responses Alexandros I do use the rituals form the Simon necronomicon,and if i'm remebering right some where in the text(in the section before the necoronomicon texxt itself) simon mentions that you can call on either,plus my take on the Elder Gods in his version is that their just another side of the Ancient Ones!
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Post by Deadly Disease on Feb 12, 2007 7:59:44 GMT -6
I've read parts of the Simon Necronomicon and it seems only clear to me that the purpose of the book is to fight all darkness and defeat the ancient ones in the names of Enki and Marduk. So the following question is adressed to those who follow the ancient gods in this particular forum.. Since you follow the ancient ones, what (if one) tome of magick do you follow? What system of worship, magick do you follow that develops the self? I ask this because it is clear that none of you follow the Simonicon as it doesn't go hand in hand with your beliefs. I eagerly await your responses Alexandros I do use the rituals form the Simon necronomicon,and if i'm remebering right some where in the text(in the section before the necoronomicon texxt itself) simon mentions that you can call on either,plus my take on the Elder Gods in his version is that their just another side of the Ancient Ones! Another side of the ancients you say? I highly doubt that for several reasons. 1. Throughout the grimoire there is constant mention of the ancient ones and the Elder Gods as SEPERATE sides of the field. Struggle between good and evil as we know it. 2. The purpose of the grimoire is to fight alongside the Elder Gods to keep the ancients from entering earth and wrecking complete destruction. The Elder Gods seek to preseve Humanity and are benevolent. They are pure are have no evil sides. 3. Marduk defeated Tiamat with the league of fifty. He did not defeat a part of himself but a seperate God! Also, there are some EXTREMELY AND I MEAN EXTREMELY powerful magickians that fight for the Elder Ones. They form the necronomicon Order. Consult any of these wise guys with the above question and they will all tell you that the Elder Gods are not 'just another side of the Ancient Ones.'
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Post by Deadly Disease on Feb 13, 2007 15:41:28 GMT -6
I'd also like to add that the Elder Gods are 'historical' and form part of the Sumerian Religion. The ancient ones however, are purely the result of someone's imagination (lovecraft). They do not exist and not real entities unless ofcourse you relate them to other mythological beings as done in the simon nec.
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 13, 2007 16:11:51 GMT -6
Lovecraft didn't differentiate much. the Elder Gods are, or could be... the Old Ones, Elder Things, Ancient Ones, Elder Ones, Dark Gods, and even The Fishers from Outside. it wasn't until later, with August Derleth's additions to the Cthulhu Mythos that we get a war between good and evil, Elder Gods versus the Great Old Ones. and there are a few who followed Derleth's cosmology (including Simon); however, that wasn't Lovecraft's paradigm.
anyone can claim that the Sumerian gods are called Elder Gods; just like i could claim that the Sumerian gods are actually pink bunny rabbits. it's all simon's interpretation. he might have written the most famous version of the Necronomicon, but that doesn't make him right... or wrong.
all mythology/religion, in fact, all belief is both real and unreal simultaneously. just because there are parallels in history, doesn't make something true... nor does the lack thereof make something false.
i don't know if you've ever heard the Chaos Magic maxim, "belief structures reality", but it's a powerful bit of wisdom. not only do i personally believe this to be true, i go one further: belief IS reality.
Venger Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priestwww.CultofCthulhu.net
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Post by Latheeb on Feb 13, 2007 20:18:34 GMT -6
I believe there are some truly powerful magicks in the simon necronomicon and that these could be used for our purposes. although are we not the left hand path? what simon speaks against? so we must study our enemies methods in order to know what they are capable of. but ignorant they are for our side shall win.
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Mar 24, 2007 19:12:23 GMT -6
I do use the rituals form the Simon necronomicon,and if i'm remebering right some where in the text(in the section before the necoronomicon texxt itself) simon mentions that you can call on either,plus my take on the Elder Gods in his version is that their just another side of the Ancient Ones! Also, there are some EXTREMELY AND I MEAN EXTREMELY powerful magickians that fight for the Elder Ones. They form the necronomicon Order. Consult any of these wise guys with the above question and they will all tell you that the Elder Gods are not 'just another side of the Ancient Ones.' I just don't see why anyone would wanna "Little goodie two shoes"(guess which horror/comedy movie that term came form) and be a part of the Necronomicon Order
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Post by Latheeb on Mar 25, 2007 23:19:58 GMT -6
Oh believe me "Goodie-two-shoes-syndrome" does exist and it's highly contageous....
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Post by sin on Aug 25, 2008 7:17:07 GMT -6
So I'm at my favorite used book store over the weekend, and there sat Simon's 'Dead Names', the only copy. I had traded in about a dozen books, so it didn't cost me a thing :-) A great find, as this store doesn't usually have an abundance of 'occult' topics, what they classify as 'occult' is usually New Age, Wicca or Faery Magic. I read it cover to cover yesterday, I'd forgotten about it being published in 06 and never got around to reading it until now. I enjoyed it, and the references Simon provides for further research. Simon suggests that while Lovecraft's may be a fiction based on a real manuscript, the Mad Arab is not named in the Simon version. There are also little tidbits that may be missed by the reader, like Lovecraft's word play 'Miskatonic' (Cathonic), and he suggests the Cutu, Toda and Yezidi people might be direct descendants of the ancient Sumerians. It's always up for interpretation. What I found most amusing, is the book starts with a 'Timeline' as an attempt to link all these 'strange' occurrences, to the birthing of the original print in 77. It gives the reader an idea of what was going on in the world, the mind-set of the people during the first release. Culture and counter-culture. He also touches on a brief history of the Pagan movement (no surprise there), and the involvement of the Warlock Shop that the Necronomicon gained momentum. It has sparked an interest for me, to re-read the Simon version (both first and second editions), to cross-reference points made in 'Dead Names'. Simon's attempt at validating his copy as the true Necronomicon (based on a 2nd or third copy from the original texts from Arabic, to Greek and eventually to English). The book's Amazon.com psynopsis: The dark history of the Necronomicon––one of the world's most feared and fascinating books––told by the one man who saw it all...and lived to tell the tale. The Necronomicon is one of the most controversial books ever published. The master of Gothic suspense, H.P. Lovecraft, wrote about a mystical and dreaded grimoire, known as the Necronomicon––an ancient text written by an Arab that, if it were to fall into the wrong hands, could have disastrous consequences. But no one thought the Necronomicon had any basis in the world outside of Lovecraft's fiction. Until... Simon was a young man drawn to the mysterious world of the occult through his association with several Eastern Orthodox religions and his friendship with the owner of an occult bookstore in Brooklyn. In 1972 he stumbled upon a stolen text in a friend's apartment, unaware that what he held in his hands was the real Necronomicon––something long thought to be a creation of Lovecraft's brilliant mind and deft pen. After an arduous translation, done in the utmost secrecy (since the tome was in fact stolen), Simon and his close circle of friends unveiled the now–infamous grimoire to a clamoring public. In Dead Names, Simon tells the amazing true story that surrounds the Necronomicon. From the main players' humble beginnings in the pageantry–filled and secret world of Eastern Orthodox religion, to the accidental discovery of the Necronomicon, to the Son of Sam murders, the JFK assassination , the brilliant William S. Burroughs, and the eventual suspicious deaths of almost everyone involved with the grimoire, this book is an enthralling account of a book steeped in legend, lies, and murder. www.amazon.com/Dead-Names-Dark-History-Necronomicon/dp/006078704X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219669580&sr=8-1
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Post by sin on Aug 25, 2008 7:24:34 GMT -6
I believe there are some truly powerful magicks in the simon necronomicon and that these could be used for our purposes. although are we not the left hand path? what simon speaks against? so we must study our enemies methods in order to know what they are capable of. but ignorant they are for our side shall win. How 'powerful' can it actually be? Simon himself admits that the original manuscript used to create the Necronomicon editions we know today, may have been 2nd rate greek copies of an original document in Arab. We all know how much gets lost in translation when codifying from one language to another, especially if the original language was misunderstood! Consider the birth of the Devil in the Christian Bible, from one mistake in wordplay that means 'adversary/opposer' and poof! The devil is born, right in the pages of their own sacred texts. Personally, I believe that we should read as much as possible just to obtain the 'concept' and the praxis of that knowledge gained, coupled with the magicians own ideas, his own imagination is the most powerful magic. Hell, we could write a ghoulish cook book, and it be more powerful than the Necronomicon. Consider for a moment, the impact that Venger's own ideas has had on the Cthulhu Cult mentality and it's progression forward. Consider also, that each cultist has his own interpretations, ideas and applications! [steps off soap box] Cora'Sahn
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Aug 25, 2008 9:39:34 GMT -6
The thing that I dont get is that Yog-Sothoth is an A:O, but in the Necronomicon some of the calls in it involve him/her/it. Why would and A:O deal with magick aligned with the Elder?
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Aug 25, 2008 9:40:43 GMT -6
I do use the rituals form the Simon necronomicon,and if i'm remebering right some where in the text(in the section before the necoronomicon texxt itself) simon mentions that you can call on either,plus my take on the Elder Gods in his version is that their just another side of the Ancient Ones! Another side of the ancients you say? I highly doubt that for several reasons. 1. Throughout the grimoire there is constant mention of the ancient ones and the Elder Gods as SEPERATE sides of the field. Struggle between good and evil as we know it. 2. The purpose of the grimoire is to fight alongside the Elder Gods to keep the ancients from entering earth and wrecking complete destruction. The Elder Gods seek to preseve Humanity and are benevolent. They are pure are have no evil sides. 3. Marduk defeated Tiamat with the league of fifty. He did not defeat a part of himself but a seperate God! Also, there are some EXTREMELY AND I MEAN EXTREMELY powerful magickians that fight for the Elder Ones. They form the necronomicon Order. Consult any of these wise guys with the above question and they will all tell you that the Elder Gods are not 'just another side of the Ancient Ones.' Know how one might contact them? I want to ask why waiste time being allies with something that is destined to loose..
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 25, 2008 10:52:34 GMT -6
probably because it's the same old dichotomy. people want strength and power, but they also want to seem to be virtuous and selfless. doesn't work that way though. that's why one can't be both Right and Left Hand Path. it's one or the other.
VS
p.s. anyone see the movie Team America: World Police? you have dicks, pussies, and assholes. so funny and yet so true, albeit crude. [/color]
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Post by sin on Aug 25, 2008 11:24:16 GMT -6
probably because it's the same old dichotomy. people want strength and power, but they also want to seem to be virtuous and selfless. doesn't work that way though. that's why one can't be both Right and Left Hand Path. it's one or the other.
VSp.s. anyone see the movie Team America: World Police? you have dicks, pussies, and assholes. so funny and yet so true, albeit crude. [/color][/quote] I couldn't agree more Venger, much like the concept of 'selfishness'; people don't want to seem like a 'bad person', they want to be 'good' (what ever the hell that means). They want what they want, but in societies view, it shouldn't be too self concerning - otherwise you end up looking like an asshole in the eyes of your peers. Who the hell cares? I couldn't care less if Betty down the street thinks I'm a selfish asshole. I embrace it. I live it, and anyone who has a view of their own of it, can embrace that - their view. Then there's this whole 'walking the line' mentality, that I just don't understand personally. "Balance" and "Duality" are nothing but illusions, and when you get down to it, so are the labels 'Right' and 'Left'. Labels just indentify things, its the nature of language. If I never had the need to explain my views to a living soul, would I consider myself LHP? I would just be. Plain and simple.
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Post by mothman99 on Oct 19, 2008 20:15:10 GMT -6
Simons book, if taken literally as Human-ish aliens vs Reptile-ish aliens (as stated in Gates Of...) , is retarded, and if not taken literally, its retarded to choose sides. Its like rooting for yin over yang. Whats the point? "I like inhaling. I hate exhaling." If humans societies, like primitive city states, are in danger from nature, then evil = plagues, snakes, bugs, storms, the dark, etc. demons bring these things bla bla bla. But maybe nature doesnt like us here. Maybe humans = evil. Good and evil are inventions. Simons good guys are the ones who help the humans and kind of look like humans. Simons bad guys are the ones who dont look like humans. This was cool 10000 years ago. It served a purpose. Now its obsolete. Because protecting people from nature is causing problems. Anyway, The language in the Simon book incantations is awesome, and he may have been a conduit for something real, even though the book is not authentic. I think his catholic human morality imposed a flawed Western good / evil duality upon a belief system that he interpreted wrong.
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Post by sin on Oct 20, 2008 12:13:18 GMT -6
Simons book, if taken literally as Human-ish aliens vs Reptile-ish aliens (as stated in Gates Of...) , is retarded, and if not taken literally, its retarded to choose sides. Its like rooting for yin over yang. Whats the point? "I like inhaling. I hate exhaling." If humans societies, like primitive city states, are in danger from nature, then evil = plagues, snakes, bugs, storms, the dark, etc. demons bring these things bla bla bla. But maybe nature doesnt like us here. Maybe humans = evil. Good and evil are inventions. I whole-heartedly agree! I've always said that we are nothing more than parasites of this planet. What I find most fascinating, is that we are the only creature here that must be 'taught' vs. born with a program. All animals, insects, amphibians, and even germs know exactly what to do from birth! If taken to the evolutionary level, we are the bi-products of 'space-junk' so when you get down to brass tacks, we are not even natives of this planet. Nature finds a way to fight back, I spent the whole summer infected with poison ivy, then poison sumac, just for attempting to 'groom' the land I live on. If I had my way, I'd let it go hay-wire, but the city sends me these nasty grams that carry a fine for an un-kept yard. I just got one in the mail Saturday, and the grass isn't even tall at all, just 'un-kept'. What odd creatures we've become that 'grooming' the land becomes a requirement or else. Kill nature, or else! I missed the film 'The Happening' when it was at theaters, but I plan on buying it for my collection. M. Knight Shymalan is the shit! Duality makes me ill, and I don't know why it's applied to human thinking anyway, when most human thought is quite circular.
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 21, 2008 11:45:00 GMT -6
oh man... the happening sucks so hard. m night fell OFF. hes been getting steadily worse since the sixth sense.
really... the happening is a horrible horrible movie. its like a dramatized horrible version of "an inconvenient truth". suuuuuuuuucks. i cant tell you enough how badly it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.
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Post by sin on Oct 21, 2008 12:00:42 GMT -6
oh man... the happening sucks so hard. m night fell OFF. hes been getting steadily worse since the sixth sense. really... the happening is a horrible horrible movie. its like a dramatized horrible version of "an inconvenient truth". suuuuuuuuucks. i cant tell you enough how badly it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. That's what I've heard, but its so subjective. I'm reminded by Venger's passion for John Carpenter's 'The Prince of Darkness' and I thought it was crap, absolute crap - but he speaks about it as if it's the best movie ever! This is why I'd like to see it myself, and form my own opinion. I think 'SIGNS' is his best film yet and haven't seen anything that has topped it but.... we'll see :-P
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 21, 2008 13:25:47 GMT -6
hahaha!
at least we agree that Signs is a great movie. and Prince of Darkness is the absolute awesomes, i say! awesomes!
VS
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Post by fahy92 on Oct 21, 2008 16:54:46 GMT -6
That's what I've heard, but its so subjective. I'm reminded by Venger's passion for John Carpenter's 'The Prince of Darkness' and I thought it was crap, absolute crap - but he speaks about it as if it's the best movie ever! This is why I'd like to see it myself, and form my own opinion. I think 'SIGNS' is his best film yet and haven't seen anything that has topped it but.... we'll see :-P I really liked Prince of Darkness! Go HP Nosferatu is the best vampire movie ever though ;D I thought Lady in the Water was really good.
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Post by astennoth on Oct 23, 2008 3:00:55 GMT -6
We are most definitely parasites. That is why it should be our goal to transcend to a higher sense of self and await the coming of the Old Ones, who will cleanse and purify this planet so that she may be able to take the place beside the Throne of Chaos once again.
Wow sorry for that little rant, I'm RLY getting into Tyson.
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Post by Madguten on Dec 10, 2008 18:38:11 GMT -6
From the wikipedia article about the Simon Necronomicon....The book was released in 1977 by Schlangekraft, Inc. in a limited leatherbound edition of 666, which was followed by a clothbound edition of 3333, and later by an Avon paperback. It has never been out of print since 1980 and has sold 800,000 copies by 2006 making it the most popular version of the Necronomicon to date.In DEAD NAMES, The Dark History of the Necronomicon (by Simon, 2006), there is a picture of the original ad for the first edition of the Simon Necronomicon. I bought this old used issue of a Heavy Metal comic from 1980 today. I open up on the first page and what to i see?....Nothing less than ye old ad for ye old Simonomicon. No big deal, but i appreciate it. The add was worth the two dollars alone. ;D ONE OF THE MOST SHOCKING BOOKS OF ALL TIMEBig readable version of image and ad herefarm4.static.flickr.com/3181/3098385359_bdd040cb17_b.jpgTranscript of ad (for those too lazy to click and view it ;D)H.P Lovecraft was enchanted with the NECRONOMICON. Written in approximately 4000 BC by the "Mad Arab" Abdul Alhazred, the NECRONOMICON is one of the oldest, most blasphemous spellbooks of all time. It reveals charms against demons who assail in the night, how to call spirits from the land of the lost dead, and even how to win the love of someone (a spell to be chanted over an apple or a pomegranate
And now that i have my scanner up and running anyway, here is the crazy cool cover art of that moths issue of HEAVY METAL. April 1980 issue, cover art: He Turned the Phindog to Stone, by Tony Roberts Big versionfarm4.static.flickr.com/3109/3098383019_8784dc7e9c_b.jpgIA! IA! KTULU FTAGN!
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 10, 2008 21:18:17 GMT -6
nice find, Madguten.
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Post by mothman99 on Dec 12, 2008 4:38:01 GMT -6
Honestly i dont even want to read dead names because im pretty sure Simon is lying through his teeth...but really, his book The Gates of the Necronomicom, has some pretty good shit in it. His talk about magic in general and the history of certain asian astrological practices seemed intelligent.
I wish he just could have came out and said "I wrote alot of wierd praises / hymns / chants / spells that were inspired by Sumerian Mythology and HPLovecraft and i think theyll work for summoning primordial forces of any kind." Because i think they do. The language is powerful. I feel weird reading it aloud and it makes a room different (im just into the "forbidden" part haha). He did his own imagination a disservice by trying to invent a cosmology and pretend it was really what Lovecraft was referring to. So instead of having Art he created a hoax. Even if he said that it was channeled into him, fine, others have said that about what they did, and its never a lie, even if the person thinks theyre lying it might be true and they dont know it. But the "Ancient Manuscript" idea sucks.
And the good guy / bad guy thing is dumb. Order and organizing principles vs chaos and disorganizing principles have always been misinterpreted as good vs evil, and we should be outgrowing that by now after like 10000 fucking years.
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Post by sortileges on Dec 1, 2009 21:43:13 GMT -6
Know about this site? warlockasylum.wordpress.com/I have not read through it all but it describe the Gatwalking process as the fall and rise upon the Qlippoth. This is clearly hinted at in the Magan text part 4. Also about Simon being RHP, I don't think so. Many passage of the Gates of the Necronomicon suggest the oposite (in my own interpretation of course. I could quote, but I have better stuff to do! (see pages 20-21, among others) About the whole "good vs evil war"... Hell, are you christians? Beside, Gods are a far more deep and complicated subject than a simple duality. Good/Evil, Elder gods/Ancient Ones, all those are symbol invented by man. All symbol are false, but they are what is the closest to perfection depending on one subjective perception. Fuck Science Fuck Mathematics Hail Chaos! Beside, I had very good results using the Necronomicon Spellbook, and I'm far, very far from being RHP. Sortilèges
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Post by thepuck on Dec 1, 2009 23:03:00 GMT -6
Know about this site? warlockasylum.wordpress.com/I have not read through it all but it describe the Gatwalking process as the fall and rise upon the Qlippoth. This is clearly hinted at in the Magan text part 4. Also about Simon being RHP, I don't think so. Many passage of the Gates of the Necronomicon suggest the oposite (in my own interpretation of course. I could quote, but I have better stuff to do! (see pages 20-21, among others) About the whole "good vs evil war"... Hell, are you christians? Beside, Gods are a far more deep and complicated subject than a simple duality. Good/Evil, Elder gods/Ancient Ones, all those are symbol invented by man. All symbol are false, but they are what is the closest to perfection depending on one subjective perception. Fuck Science Fuck Mathematics Hail Chaos! Beside, I had very good results using the Necronomicon Spellbook, and I'm far, very far from being RHP. Sortilèges I have that site bookmarked and keep meaning to go through it but keep putting it off. I would agree that Simon's pathworkings could easily be used for the Qlippoth, but I wouldn't use them for that, except maybe as spice for the invocations themselves. I have found Kenneth Grant's material helpful, though of course increasingly incoherent with each book after The Magickal Revival, and also found Michael W. Ford's Rite of the Qlippoth (including the CD) very useful. As for all the good/evil stuff: it's aesthetics for most people (I hope) who get into that imagery. It helps them work their magick to work within that aesthetic. Some people like Egyptian, some like Norse, some like Celtic, etc...some, like me, are more postmodern about things and feel too alienated from any human culture of the past to really adopt a pantheon, per se. Some of those feel least alienated and most empowered by infernal imagery, and since all of those things are associated with the LHP, they revel in that aesthetic. I mean, I am pretty sure Michael Ford is aware that Lilith is connected to Babalon is connected to the triad of Mary the Theotokos, Mary Magdalene, and the Whore of Babylon, which in turn is connected to Hecate, and so on and on and on...he just doesn't work with those aspects as well, so he doesn't want to use them. At least, I hope he is aware. But whatever. The point is the drapery is just the drapery, and once any aspirant digs into the details of the LHP vs RHP distinction the aesthetic issues drop away and it becomes highly philosophical and all about the Great Work. Considering many people pursuing magick for the first time are only interested in practical magick, this distinction is essentially meaningless for them until later. At first, it is only personal resonance and aesthetics that guides a certain kind of aspirant...the theory and philosophy must necessarily come later.
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Post by sortileges on Dec 2, 2009 10:37:37 GMT -6
As for all the good/evil stuff: it's aesthetics for most people (I hope) who get into that imagery. It helps them work their magick to work within that aesthetic. Some people like Egyptian, some like Norse, some like Celtic, etc...some, like me, are more postmodern about things and feel too alienated from any human culture of the past to really adopt a pantheon, per se. Some of those feel least alienated and most empowered by infernal imagery, and since all of those things are associated with the LHP, they revel in that aesthetic. I mean, I am pretty sure Michael Ford is aware that Lilith is connected to Babalon is connected to the triad of Mary the Theotokos, Mary Magdalene, and the Whore of Babylon, which in turn is connected to Hecate, and so on and on and on...he just doesn't work with those aspects as well, so he doesn't want to use them. At least, I hope he is aware. But whatever. The point is the drapery is just the drapery, and once any aspirant digs into the details of the LHP vs RHP distinction the aesthetic issues drop away and it becomes highly philosophical and all about the Great Work. Considering many people pursuing magick for the first time are only interested in practical magick, this distinction is essentially meaningless for them until later. At first, it is only personal resonance and aesthetics that guides a certain kind of aspirant...the theory and philosophy must necessarily come later. I completly agree, all of this become very clear when one understand the essence of Chaos. Yet it seems most don't, and seems to use Chaos Magick to free themselves of discipline. Then again maybe not, it's not like I encountered many Chaos Magickians... Hell, I could go on and on about the Great Work, it's relation to LHP and RHP and the seeming thought and practices of early pracitionners about it, but it's a bit off topic! I will only add that the essence of Chaos may be found within the Algol sigil, which is so simple yet so deep. Sortilèges
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Post by lucofthelight on Apr 17, 2010 23:55:06 GMT -6
probably because it's the same old dichotomy. people want strength and power, but they also want to seem to be virtuous and selfless. doesn't work that way though. that's why one can't be both Right and Left Hand Path. it's one or the other.
VSp.s. anyone see the movie Team America: World Police? you have dicks, pussies, and assholes. so funny and yet so true, albeit crude. [/color][/quote]I have seen that movie and the analogy you spoke of High Priest Satanis is hilarious and so true. Although I don't think many people would like to admit which one they are. Great movie, LMAO the whole way through. By his loathsome tentacles!
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Post by lucofthelight on Apr 18, 2010 3:57:17 GMT -6
The impression I got from reading the Simon Necronomicon is that the Elder Gods should be appeased and worshipped from the viewpoint of the mad arab Abdul Alhazred as the God's of the earth and cosmos. They are the Gods of glory of this book and the Ancient Ones are hideous monstrosities to be avoided and feared living outside the dimension of human reality and imprisoned to prevent terrible consequences for humankind. Good vs evil. From what I understand of the Cult of Cthulhu's paradigm the Elder gods are the enslaver's of humanity and keep them in their powerless sleeping state to feed the universe with suffering through various ingenious methods such as right hand path religions, social values, governments, etc. The Ancient Ones one the other hand are hideous godlike beings that gave mankind the potential aeons ago to evolve into a similar godlike evolutionary state. To break out of the normal cycle on earth of suffering and feeding the universe with negative energy and to became unnatural to the normal order of things and ascend. I suppose it is what you want to make of it. There are many viewpoints and choices and it is up to us how we want to interpret things.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Ftagn!
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