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Post by Inha Etbrae Ipshae on Oct 24, 2009 23:39:14 GMT -6
Is it acceptable in the Cult? I thought I read awhile back that someone mentioned they couldn't say anything passionate about it, which is understandable if they are Hetero. So are there any rules against it? I ask this.. because it's the one thing that lingers at the back of my mind when thinking about joining. Not that IM gay ofcourse.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 25, 2009 14:02:34 GMT -6
yes, gays are cool in our book... that being the Necronomicon. really, whatever sexual preference you have is up to you. the only thing i choose to officially frown upon is child molestation (although that depends on age and consent, individuals will certainly have different views).
additionally, i support gay marriage, as well as, plural marriage. we have a number of homosexual Cultists already.
VS
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Post by Inha Etbrae Ipshae on Oct 25, 2009 20:46:05 GMT -6
Thanks for the answer.
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Post by Jib on Oct 28, 2009 22:57:53 GMT -6
Well that is good news to hear that the Cult of Cthulhu tolerates homosexuality! ;D We need more tolerance like that in this world.
Plus I, myself, am a bisexual.
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Post by LostSoul on Oct 29, 2009 9:03:03 GMT -6
Inha...We're not christians or jews...I don't see why you'd even think it's a question. What you do in the bedroom with the partner(or partners) of your choice...Hey, that's your business and I or anyone else should even have a say...
Just be happy, fellow traveller...Just be happy.
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Post by Inha Etbrae Ipshae on Oct 29, 2009 23:30:27 GMT -6
Thanks.
While I myself am not Gay, (Bisexual I guess) I just wanted to make sure. Some folks even out of the Abrahamic circle don't like non-heteros.
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Post by Blackness of Darkness on Oct 30, 2009 0:23:23 GMT -6
I'm bisexual, but that has nothing to do with the endeavors of this cult; which is only one of the small reasons why my ambitions had me join it. Tolerance, and freedom of expressional thought = can't ask for too much more.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Oct 30, 2009 7:25:08 GMT -6
Tolerance, and freedom of expressional thought = can't ask for too much more. ...free cake?
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Post by LostSoul on Oct 30, 2009 14:42:44 GMT -6
No cake...But, we have cookies. *smirk*
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Post by Blackness of Darkness on Oct 30, 2009 22:33:04 GMT -6
Heineken.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Nov 3, 2009 23:41:44 GMT -6
This was actually one of my major concerns when joining the CoC, as my tastes, more often than not, lean towards the same gender. However, subsequent discussions in and out of other areas of the forum ended my worry. It was silly to think that the Old Ones would care anyway, so even if the CoC was against it, I'd still happily and effectively serve the Old Ones on my own. It's all about pleasure at the end of the day
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Post by Sethen on Nov 10, 2009 15:30:04 GMT -6
Alternate sexuality types have always been tolerated well by the Left Hand Path. This was the policy of the early Church of Satan. It was predicted in the Book of the Law/ Aeon of Horus..
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Post by StevePulaski on Nov 10, 2009 15:31:47 GMT -6
I dont really care about a person's sexuality. I mean really.
We gonna have a debate on Gay Marriage in school soon (Im in 8th grade so it will be strange). But I say people can be however they want.
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Post by alderman on Dec 15, 2009 12:03:29 GMT -6
I dont really care about a person's sexuality. I mean really. We gonna have a debate on Gay Marriage in school soon (Im in 8th grade so it will be strange). But I say people can be however they want. That's funny, your profile say's you're 40. Yes, that must be strange.
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Post by alderman on Dec 15, 2009 12:04:25 GMT -6
yes, gays are cool in our book... that being the Necronomicon. really, whatever sexual preference you have is up to you. the only thing i choose to officially frown upon is child molestation (although that depends on age and consent, individuals will certainly have different views).
additionally, i support gay marriage, as well as, plural marriage. we have a number of homosexual Cultists already.
VS So necrophilia isn't a problem?
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Post by sin on Dec 15, 2009 13:12:28 GMT -6
yes, gays are cool in our book... that being the Necronomicon. really, whatever sexual preference you have is up to you. the only thing i choose to officially frown upon is child molestation (although that depends on age and consent, individuals will certainly have different views).
additionally, i support gay marriage, as well as, plural marriage. we have a number of homosexual Cultists already.
VS So necrophilia isn't a problem? The CoC is a federally recognized non-profit religious organization. As thus, any illegal activity such as Necrophilia could not be supported by the cult officially. Philosophically speaking, it would be fallacious on our part to dictate preference. Though, it begs to question what compels the 'I's' to have sex with a corpse? I don't know of any case, where a psychosis wasn't present. If a cultist is practicing necrophilia, I would say that this person is ignoring apparent signs that something is going on in the psyche that should be addressed. Good, bad or indifferent? Well, that depends on the quality of life of the cultist, in my opinion. The most common forms are: 1. Role players 2. Romantic necrophiles 3. People having a necrophilic fantasy – necrophilic fantasizers 4. Tactile necrophiles 5. People having a fetishistic necrophilia – fetishistic necrophiles 6. People having a necromutilomania – necromutilomaniacs 7. Opportunistic necrophiles 8. Regular necrophiles 9. Homicidal necrophiles 10. Exclusive necrophiles. The most notable case I can think of off the top of my head. His love died of TB, so distraught, he dug her up and preserved her using all sorts of weird things. She was so well-preserved, later when they discovered he had been keeping her they put her on display for the public. It was discovered that he had inserted a cardboard tube in her vagina, to maintain the interior walls to have sex with her. He would fall under the class of Romantic Necrophile. Obviously, he couldn't let her go. Some would argue, that love goes beyond death. That despite his 'awareness' of what he was doing was immoral (according to societal standards) he discarded the idea, in lieu of his continued love affair. We could examine this case more closely, to determine if the count was 'awake' or 'asleep' in lieu of the CoC theology. I'm sure there would be cultists arguing both sides of the issue. Just because society dictates what is right and wrong, doesn't necessarily mean it's true for the individual. What is the goal of praxis? To become a fully awakened individual, and becoming a higher being. A super-man, if you will (Nietzsche). If at the end of the day, Necrophilia is destroying who you are - I would say that the cultist is asleep. If Necrophilia aids in the betterment of the self, then this person is awake but must contend with societal standards of living.
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Post by alderman on Dec 15, 2009 13:47:15 GMT -6
My, that certainly does answer my question. Well put.
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Post by Inha Etbrae Ipshae on Dec 18, 2009 23:27:57 GMT -6
That was eye opening.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Dec 20, 2009 21:49:41 GMT -6
I believe that our physical forms do not reflect our souls. And although strait, there are some reasons why I think gay sex can be powerful in the practice of magick. Check out these articles.. some talk of homosexuality and the occult. Crowley did it from time to time as well for the emotional state it threw him in while taking it up the tail pipe. www.philhine.org.uk/writings/index_newflesh.html
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Post by sin on Dec 21, 2009 8:52:10 GMT -6
I believe we are born bi-sexual, with the potential to be psychologically conditioned to be either heterosexual, and/or homosexual.
As a bi-sexual female, I practice homosexuality. I think it's a form of awakening, in the sense you are experiencing a physical act that another personal can experience in a similar way. It can be profound in terms of sex magics, as well as identity exploration.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Dec 21, 2009 21:50:12 GMT -6
I believe we are born bi-sexual, with the potential to be psychologically conditioned to be either heterosexual, and/or homosexual. As a bi-sexual female, I practice homosexuality. I think it's a form of awakening, in the sense you are experiencing a physical act that another personal can experience in a similar way. It can be profound in terms of sex magics, as well as identity exploration. Well, I dont have gay sex.. but my wife DOES have a strap-on.. so I do know the kind of trance anal can get you into!
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Post by sin on Dec 22, 2009 7:16:37 GMT -6
ROFL, well - that will work too!
I was speaking more in terms of the psychological and physical connection of the same sex. Like, I have absolutely no idea what it feels like to be a man, and have an orgasm. We can only speculate that it might be similar, but we can relate to it with first hand knowledge.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Dec 22, 2009 7:46:25 GMT -6
Great collection of articles there, Esbara'kesh. Thanks for sharing.
I agree with you, Cora, about everyone being born bisexual. However, I don't think that social programming is the only reason for hetero/homosexuality. I think a lot of it can come down to the preference of the true self.. our inner gods/demons.
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Post by sin on Dec 22, 2009 8:42:37 GMT -6
Hmmm, it's possible. Isn't the 'self' the bi-product of influence and environment? How do inner gods form in your opinion?
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Dec 23, 2009 1:35:30 GMT -6
I'd say the self that we unconsciously present to the world is a biproduct of influence, sure. But I wouldn't call that our true self. I think what defines our true selves is what we truly love and what we truly hate - what we are willing to kill and die for - regardless of anyone elses expectations or ideas. I'm not sure I'd say that our gods/demons/selves are "formed" as such. I'd lean more towards the idea that they simply are, and always have been, and always will be... like the Old Ones . What Christians would call a "soul", I guess... though I call it ones Consciousness. And it is through Awakening, and excercises that promote it, as well as trauma, and dramatic challenging of our fears and doubts, that we realise our true nature, or inner god/demon. And I do believe that they are all different. It's not like our Consciousnesses are made in a factory... Kind of just entities wandering through eternity.
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Post by sin on Dec 23, 2009 6:58:35 GMT -6
Interesting.
So sort of like a possession.
:-)
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Dec 23, 2009 7:09:16 GMT -6
Yup. Exactly I was going to say that, but the words to back up what I meant weren't coming out right. Thankfully, you read between the lines. I'm not always the most articulate.. especially in this horrid hot weather.
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Post by sin on Dec 23, 2009 9:06:12 GMT -6
Yeah, I understood what you were driving at. Funny, it came out clear on my end - *giggles* funny how that works eh?
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Dec 23, 2009 9:34:45 GMT -6
I believe that the actual sex of the one you are attracted to doesnt always matter for some people, as they may be attracted to certain people BECAUSE their true self is drawn to that person in particular. My wife isnt Bi, but she did date a girl before. In fact, that is the only girl she ever thought and been sexual with. But the girl IS butch. Not hairy and manly, mind you, but dresses very manish and keeps short hair.
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Post by sin on Dec 23, 2009 10:40:43 GMT -6
I'm sure it's like that for most people, though they delude themselves into a preference. Me? I'm attracted to the person, though physical attraction is part of it - it's secondary to any initial attraction.
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