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Post by harlequinshaitan on Oct 31, 2006 20:01:37 GMT -6
Does anyone here like/love Doctor Who? I'm talking about the original series, especially from the 1970's (Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker).
I certainly do! One of my favorite episodes is "The Daemons". It snowed on May Day when they were filming in Britain.
There coming out with some of the classic episodes on DVD.
Harlequin Shaitan Herald of the Old Gods
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Post by iandiabhal on Oct 31, 2006 20:38:47 GMT -6
Sure do! Big fan here. Have all (almost all of the episodes) categorized and dated through the Pertwee-Baker years. That to me was the "classic" age of the Doctor. I LOVE the Daemons, one of my top favorite episodes..of course Roger Delgado as The Master kicked ass. I really love the sequence in the Daemons where he is summoning Azazel. I have actually used some of the words in rituals..LOL! Hey, why the hell not?? No one after played the role with such evil aplomb, skill and wry humor. I actually built a small custom TARDIS police box to hold the entire collection in. Unfortunately it is on VHS but it is complete. If I am careful with them they will last for some years. I do have some on DVD. I did have them in a large Guinness box for many years until I built the mini TARDIS.
The "new" Who? Ehh. Its OK. Umm well sorta.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 1, 2006 12:19:08 GMT -6
yes, The Daemons is a great Who story.
i love the Master, pretty much any villain is a favorite of mine. Rodger Delgado played the original (human looking) Master. and Anthony Ainley played the Master's regeneration... (pictured with Tom Baker as the Doctor)VS
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Post by laughingdead on Apr 22, 2007 8:02:14 GMT -6
I definitely agree that Pertwee and Baker were the best doctors imho... I tend to lean more towards Baker... I mean Ive hardly seen a sci-fi series more in touch with the nature of things than doctor who... I wonder if alot of you realise that a great deal of the who mythos is based around the necronomicon... At least from my understanding and research there was a timeline on the net one time that mention that alot of who stories were embedded deep in hp lovecraft type stories which I found fascinating... The favorites of mine have to be the E Space trilogy... Megalos, Keeper of Traken and Robots of Death... Of course Roger Delgado as the master is SUPREME!!! www.imdb.com/name/nm0217069/Too bad hes in another plane of existance... As for the new series... Ive seen a few episodes and I thought they were a bit stale and unimaginitive... Sort of like they were taking from the past too much and not coming up with newer material...
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 23, 2012 10:11:50 GMT -6
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Post by oola on Apr 24, 2012 4:33:52 GMT -6
Beautifull film.
Awake.
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Post by jtellio on Apr 24, 2012 10:09:23 GMT -6
Re: Daemons. The production team censored the term, 'The Horned God' as a description of the Daemon, but allowed 'The Horned Beast' for some theological reason. Another Dr Who adventure which used black magic motifs was 1977's 'Image of the Fendahl'. Like the first story, the pentagram was shown to be the remnant of the gestalt (group) Fendahl alien's identity, the pattern of which survived on the 12 million year old 'human' Fendahl skull.
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 24, 2012 11:08:03 GMT -6
Interesting tidbit about "the Horned God". I can see where that would irritate some Christians. Basically, the writer is equating Satan with Jehovah.
And, of course, those Doctor Who episodes tie right in with Quatermass and the Pit. We could probably go down the Who list to see that a third of those 1970's stories have something vaguely to do with occultism.
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Post by jtellio on Apr 26, 2012 10:49:24 GMT -6
Yes, 1978, 'The Stones of Blood' keyed into legends about Britain's ancient stones, ley lines and druidic human sacrifice. The ancient Cailleach was in fact a a futuristic criminal, the Cessair of Diplos. Disguised as the raven-like Cailleach, she poured blood from a bronze bowl on the stones to satiate them, in quite a scary scene.
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Post by K'zin Z'tari on Apr 26, 2012 11:33:08 GMT -6
I love the Doctor, I have seen a few episodes, both old and new and I like the old ones much more, they have this cool style and the acting is very special. I really like the theme music, maybe the coolest theme in the whole history of science fiction. I intend to get those episodes, that is the Daemons, I haven't seen the Doctor for some time and I would love some occult stuff along, so this will be great. I am not much into watching movies or tv shows as it is, I was watching Star Trek through the winter and I got enough, besides, the summer gives so many opportunity's, I plan to get at least 5 kilos off my body , this summer, but I am longing to get rid off 10, then I will be down to the weight I had before I got as fat as I was, 100 kilos, I am so glad that I am down to 75. When the stars are right Attachments:
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Post by I AM the Way on May 2, 2012 13:24:41 GMT -6
I'd be interested in seeing if most of us would agree on a selection of top 10 stories of Doctor Who. I'm just talking the old stuff, 1963 - 1986... because I defy anyone to come up with a Sylvester McCoy story that belongs in any top 10 list.
Who's game? No need to post a lengthy synopsis of each story, but your pick will have more credence if you mention two or three reasons why you think it's one of the very best. I'll tabulate the results at the end of May. My choices will be posted in a few days.
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Post by lokidreaming on May 2, 2012 21:44:29 GMT -6
Challenge accepted.
I cannot chose one, however if I was to put the last three Slyvester McCoys Doctor Who stories as one then I would would put it forward for submission as one of the greatest episodes ever.
The last three episodes of the Sylvester era and the old era of Doctor Who represents Doctor Whos new found maturity and was the series as a whole was starting to get good again.
Ghost Light, The Curse of Fenric and Survival showed how far Ace had grown and matured throughout her time with Doctor Who and I also loved the fact that these last three episodes was a bit dark and bleak.
In summary the last three episodes was the best of the Syvester McCoy era as Doctor Who and I cannot not find a episode of this area for submission into Doctor Whos top 10 episode list ever, unless I am allowed to group these 3 episodes together.
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Post by lokidreaming on May 2, 2012 21:47:43 GMT -6
So what are peoples Top 10 favourite Doctor Who episodes and why?
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Post by jtellio on May 3, 2012 1:58:35 GMT -6
Re choices of Who stories: I will start with three:
Genesis of the Daleks (1975). Often voted by fans as the ‘best’. Very gripping, with a kind of Nazi-style subtext, exploring ideas of evil. Face of Evil (1977). While this is less gripping, the ideas are very fertile, touching on themes of eugenics and social Darwinism.
Image of the Fendahl (1977). This was a more unusual for Who, but the writer Chris Boucher, (who also wrote Face of Evil) drew on Quatermass. Some people have compared this story to Call of Cthulhu. The story exposition was confusing for fans, covering a hefty deus-ex-machina.
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Post by jtellio on May 3, 2012 6:55:10 GMT -6
Re Who choices 4-6 (jtellio) Choosing from Pertwee’s era:
Day of the Daleks (1972) Uses an interesting central concept of the ‘time paradox’ when figures from the future try to alter their ‘history’ of a key event in 20th century England.
Invasion of the Dinosaurs (1974) An unusual story of misguided idealists, who are prepared to use time to return to an imagined ‘Golden Age’. Explores morality.
Planet of the Spiders (1974) – was Pertwee’s swansong, and influenced by Buddhist philosophy; concerned the misuse of power by the arachnid ‘Great One’.
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Post by sin on May 3, 2012 8:41:45 GMT -6
The Classic Dr. Who, always loved it. Grew up on it as a child.
When the new Dr. Who was introduced, I was like NO WAY! There is no way they will be able to re-capture that genre effectively.
I was right. There was one particular episode that showed promise:
"Don't Blink"
I watched this episode with my teen age son. Now, he's terrified of those statues. I often visit grave yards for my grave-rubbing work, and photography. My son used to go with me when he was younger, now? No way.
I practice my folk singing in grave yards, the Annunciation (Cuncti Simus Concententes, Montsorrat) is a song I sing to the angel/Madonna statues playing my tamborella. My son was afraid I'd wake them up.
good stuff right there.
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Post by sin on May 3, 2012 9:23:29 GMT -6
I'd be interested in seeing if most of us would agree on a selection of top 10 stories of Doctor Who. VS
1. Any episode featuring the Deleks, for what they are and the comparison made to man.
^This is my friend Elena, who portrayed herself as a Delek at MarsCon this year. LOVED this costume. Most people thought she was a lady bug, but I said...Wait....is this a Dr. Who thing?
I had to google the episode names, its been YEARS since I've watched it.
"The Dead Planet" "The Survivors" "The Escape" "The Ambush" "The Expedition" "The Ordeal" "The Rescue"
2. The Temple of Evil Aztecs, need I say more? The 'fanatical cult' spooks people, we are not spooky enough (IMO).
3. The Sea of Death I think the symbolic 'keys' are important to most religions, nearly every world religion has a symbolic 'key'. I use keys myself, so perhaps this is the draw for me.
4. The Singing Sands
The myths of the Persian deserts are present, I think this one does it for me because of how it draws on the old myths. It also covers man's desperation when he doesn't have his basic needs (i.e. no water!)
5. Guests of Madame Guillotine I think this one draws on the idea of man in prison. If memory serves, the majority of the episode shows the characters in a prison. Each character tries to innovate their way out.
6. The Wheel of Fortune I picked this one because I think it directly addresses causal events. Cause & effect. Plus, it has a very 'Arabian Nights' feel to it.
7. The Death of Time "Even time Lords Die...." Always loved that. I hate time. To live as god or a 'mere man' ? Systems disrupted by concept death? What's not to love?
8. The Daemones Technically this is 5 episodes, but I enjoyed this one because there isn't enough exploration of Daemones in fiction. They are typically reduced to Christian demonology. This series has hints of Bible parable, but it has so much more than that. Plus, I love the use of magical voice as a way for Dr. Who to ward off evil. I use this myself in my transcendentalism.
^I'll give up my 9/10th choices to have the full 5 episodes.
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Post by I AM the Way on May 3, 2012 10:01:35 GMT -6
It's top 10 stories, not episodes. So, feel free to name The Daemons and anything up to ten episode stories - that's The War Games. Yeah, ten freaking episodes!
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Post by sin on May 3, 2012 10:17:42 GMT -6
It's top 10 stories, not episodes. So, feel free to name The Daemons and anything up to ten episode stories - that's The War Games. Yeah, ten freaking episodes!
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Oh snap, I mis-read that.
I have a few more
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Post by jtellio on May 4, 2012 9:14:31 GMT -6
jtellio - choices 7 & 8. These are very watchable:
Masque of Mandragora (1976) – a critically acclaimed adventure, from producer Philip Hinchcliffe’s tenure. Writer Louis Marks explores the Renaissance Period of 14th century Italy for a tale of an alien power, the Mandragora Helix, attempting to gain control of Earth through an ancient Devil worshipping cult. Very intelligent concepts.
Seeds of Doom (1976) – another ‘classic’ Who. Like ‘Image of the Fendahl’, drew on Quatermass stories for a more conventional tale. An alien vegetable parasite, the Krynoid, uses humans as a Host animal to perpetuate its own lifecycle. A quite violent 6 -parter, uses OB video for the whole of its location production.
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Post by I AM the Way on May 20, 2012 13:03:53 GMT -6
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Post by jtellio on May 25, 2012 7:17:10 GMT -6
An excellent top 10 choice of Dr Who stories; I love 'Inferno' and 'Talons' especially. Absolute classics, and I would also choose those two to complete my own ten stories.
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Post by jtellio on May 27, 2012 8:33:53 GMT -6
9&10 Inferno - 1970. The Stahlman project of tapping into the Earth's core represented a dire warning of a misappropriated science, where Man's greed and curiousity would eventually lead to his destruction. Likened to waking up 'Old Nick', the drilling into Earth's crust releases a chaotic energy which will destroy the World. This nightmare scenario was played out using the parallel Earth storyline, where a totalitarian Government ignores the Doctor's warnings. Talons of Weng Chiang - 1977. An alien criminal, Magnus Greel poses as the Chinese God Weng Chiang while hiding in 19th Century London. Draws on Sherlock Holmes and Fu Manchu stories for inspiration. The original fight scene, in episode one, using Nunchucks was censored in the VHS release for being too violent, but fully restored in the DVD version. Final story of the 'classic' Hinchcliffe era.
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Post by I AM the Way on May 29, 2012 12:33:30 GMT -6
Suggestions for the top 11 - 20 Doctor Who stories? I plan on posting the next post in a week, so get your picks in.
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Post by jtellio on May 31, 2012 13:12:38 GMT -6
Next top 10 Dr Who's: Terror of the Autons- 1971 One of the scariest The Green Death - 1973 Environmentally conscious Colony in Space - 1971 Christian subtext Death to the Daleks - 1974 Carbon copy of Colony in Space Pyramids of Mars - 1975 Gothic horror using Egyptian myths Robots of Death - 1977 - Chris Boucher classic based on Agatha Christie's 'And then there were none.' Planet of Evil - 1975 - based on Jekyll and Hyde story Stones of Blood - 1978 high camp Stonehenge story Keeper of Traken - 1980 reintroduces decaying Master State of Decay - 1980 explores Vampire legends
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Post by I AM the Way on May 31, 2012 17:54:29 GMT -6
Next top 10 Dr Who's: Terror of the Autons- 1971 One of the scariest The Green Death - 1973 Environmentally conscious Colony in Space - 1971 Christian subtext Death to the Daleks - 1974 Carbon copy of Colony in Space Pyramids of Mars - 1975 Gothic horror using Egyptian myths Robots of Death - 1977 - Chris Boucher classic based on Agatha Christie's 'Ten Little Ni**ers' Planet of Evil - 1975 - based on Jekyll and Hyde story Stones of Blood - 1978 high camp Stonehenge story Keeper of Traken - 1980 reintroduces decaying Master State of Decay - 1980 explores Vampire legends Good selections.
Here's my impression in response to your choices...
Terror of the Autons is really good story. I love classic Pertwee as the Doctor and Roger Delgado as The Master. However, I don't know if that particular story is in my top 20. The aliens are slightly unnerving because they're all calm, big eyed, and gilded psychodelic, but they aren't terrifying or very relatable.
The Green Death is a great one. Long and full of suspense. Environmentally conscious as you mentioned. Plus giant maggots swimming in an underground lake of green slime! It's a contender.
Colony in Space... Christian subtext? Do you mean like pioneer days? It's got a good build up, interesting middle part with The Master, and cool alien ending. Definitely a possibility.
Death to the Daleks! Well, no one loves the Daleks more than I, but this isn't a great story, in my opinion. That city with the puzzles and whatnot is definitely cool, but it just lacks something.
I do enjoy Pyramids of Mars and Robots of Death. Those are up there.
Planet of Evil should definitely make it in the 11 - 20. Fantastic story, great vibe, dark and dramatic, and Tom Baker when he was more deadly serious than joking around.
I don't know how to choose only one story from the Key to Time season. They're all great. But if I had to put them in order, I think the first and last stories are a bit superior to Stones of Blood.
Keeper of Traken is also a contender. I do love this story, too.
State of Decay is awesome. This and the story where the Doctor encounters Adric are the best of the E-Space Trilogy.
Anyone else? Thoughts, comments, or recommendations?
Awake!
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Post by jtellio on May 31, 2012 23:13:40 GMT -6
Thank you for response to my selection, Venger: Questions were raised in Parliament about the scariness of Terror of the Autons, as it was deemed that the horror could be too easily emulated: plastic to suffocate humans, killer Auton policemen, and the murderous 'troll doll'. So production team got their knuckles rapped. The Christian subtext in Colony: Ashe decides to sacrifice himself by manning the spaceship, thus saving the rest of the colony. The Master offers a Dr a share in his power, by using the Doomsday Weapon, but Dr refuses (Satan/Jesus) I agree a bit about Death to Daleks, it comes out on DVD on 18th June. Episode endings restored and original PAL over NTSC tapes being used, for better definition. The polystyrene city was dire, but I loved the Exillons and the quarry. Stones of Blood had feminist subtext with the two women.
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Post by lokidreaming on Jun 1, 2012 2:21:45 GMT -6
I am abstaining from choosing my top ten until I re-watch the old series as I have realized this year that I have been too biased towards the old series (1963-1987) due to my love of the new series (2005-present).
I realized after reading other peoples opinions online and offline that I need to go back to the basics as I realize now how why people was lobbying to get Doctor Who to have less violence as the old era was very dark and bleak and can be unsuitable for kids.
I need to re-watch the series as I am holding on to the eurphoria of the past and not taking in the story lines properly and when I do take in the old story lines, I am going and my parents let me watch this when I was a kid (I was 6 when I first started watching), wow this storyline is so hard core even for an adult.
One thing I absolutely love about Doctor Who and which makes me keep on coming back to the Doctors growth as a person due to his relationships with his companions.
One of the analysis I came across was the all the companions is liken to a substitute to his granddaughter Susan and hence why characters did certain stuff to highlight this relationship eg, Sarah Jane and her awful pink overall bib jean she wore in the hand of fear.
Whether it be Tegan whining and complaining she wanted to go back home to Sarah Janes reunion with the Doctor and new beginnings for her after that reunion, to a screaming Donna who gradually warms up to the Doctor none of the companions are the same after meeting the Doctor.
There is this excellent book called The Companions of Doctor Who which only covers the old era, which has excellent in depth details of the Companions journey with the doctor including a side table of details of the Companion including SCREAM FACTOR aka how good and loud the companions screamed.
I am hoping that they do update this book as I know that Donna and Roses mom will dethrone Victoria as the Scream Queen of Doctor Who.
I am going to end this my posing a few question of my own
1)Who is your favourite Companion(s)? 2)What is your favourite Doctor Who and Companions combinations? 3) Companions death you are still recovering from? 4)Best Companion(s) introduction? 6)Best Companion reintroduction? 7)Worst Companion(s) exit? 8)Best Doctor Who Scream Queen? 9) Favorutie Doctor Who Love Interest? 10) Best Companions verbal jab/telling off at the Doctor
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 1, 2012 6:22:27 GMT -6
Aren't there a lot of similarities between this story and Spearhead from Space? Anyone else have an opinion on Terror of the Autons? It's a good, solid story, so I recommend seeing it, if you haven't yet... but should it be in the top 20?
Great questions! Exalt! I have that Dr. Who Companion book, but unfortunately it's been packed away.
1) My favorite companions, individually, would have to be the original Romana, her regeneration, Sarah Jane Smith, Jo Grant, and Leela.
2) Favorite companion combo might have to be Tegan, Nyssa, and Adric. They made for a nice team, even though they were very different. Turlough was too much of a Hamlet-like wanker, in my opinion.
3) Adric's death was pretty shocking (no pun intended).
4) Leela from The Face of Evil.
5) Where's number 5? (read below) Tegan has just about had enough of the dark, violent, and cruel worlds which the Doctor walks. Having her fill of machine gun fire, Daleks, and way too many innocent deaths, she says her peace and walks out on him. That took some courage.
6) I'm going to say the Brigadier. He kept being re-introduced during Jon Pertwee's stint as the Doctor about as often as the Master.
7) If this is worst companion exit, then perhaps #5 should be best companion exit? The worst might just be at the beginning of The Deadly Assassin. The Doctor unceremoniously kicks Sarah Jane Smith out of the Tardis. There was some emotion in her goodbye and I'm glad The Deadly Assassin was companionless, but still...
8) I think Jo Grant screamed an awful lot. She really put her heart into it. Sometimes I wanted to shout "calm down" at the TV after she encountered some kind of alien.
9) Love interest? We're still talking about Dr. Who, right?
10) Liz Shaw is one of the few female companions who could intellectually hold her own next to the Doctor. That's worth something. I'm trying to think of something else, but can't remember any good jabs. Although, I suppose my description of Tegan's departure might work for this question, too.
It's not a companion question, but what about favorite monster? That's not going to be an easy one.
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Post by jtellio on Jun 2, 2012 0:51:24 GMT -6
1)Who is your favourite Companion(s)? 2)What is your favourite Doctor Who and Companions combinations? 3) Companions death you are still recovering from? 4)Best Companion(s) introduction? 6)Best Companion reintroduction? 7)Worst Companion(s) exit? 8)Best Doctor Who Scream Queen? 9) Favorutie Doctor Who Love Interest? 10) Best Companions verbal jab/telling off at the Doctor
1) Leela, played by Louise Jameson. 2) Sarah, Harry and Tom Baker Dr (1975) 3) Adric is only real contender - Earthshock 4) Jo Grant (Katy Manning) in Terror of the Autons (1971) 5) Sarah in K9 and Company 6) Worst exit - Leela falling in love with Andred in Invasion of Time 7) Lis Sladen as Sarah 8) Jo Grant with King Peladon - Curse of Peladon 1972 - D Troughton 9) Aussie Tegan bawling at 'wet' Peter Davison Dr, 'a broken clock keeps better time than you, at least it's right twice in a day'
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